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Revered Jeremiah Wright, "former Muslim" (?!)
THe New Republic ^ | March 07 | Ryan Lizza

Posted on 04/07/2008 2:29:18 PM PDT by Timeout

Today I came across this year-old, largely biographical article about Barack Obama. It reads as though Lizza relied on Obama for large chunks of the piece, with other material coming from his books and interviews with those who knew him.

About 2/3's down the page, I came across this astonishing nugget:

After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright's church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for "Buppies"--black urban professionals--and didn't have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity's guiding principles--what the church calls the "Black Value System"--included a "Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.'"
Wright is a "former Muslim"?!

I've never seen this anywhere else. Where did Lizza get it....from Obama? From Wright (whom he apparently interviewed)?

Have any of you ever heard that before?


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1 posted on 04/07/2008 2:29:18 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout

Probably a disciple of Calypso Louie


2 posted on 04/07/2008 2:30:21 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Timeout

BTTT


3 posted on 04/07/2008 2:34:26 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Timeout

BTTT


4 posted on 04/07/2008 2:34:54 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: pissant

Yup! Just switched to where he saw a better cash-flow!


5 posted on 04/07/2008 2:36:58 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Timeout
The Muslim perspective is that there is no such thing as a "former Muslim". He is an apostate Muslim. Islamic law demands the death penalty for that offense.
6 posted on 04/07/2008 2:37:35 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: pissant

Well, he practically worships Louis, so probably so.


7 posted on 04/07/2008 2:39:06 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Timeout
Hmmm. This would explain his affinity for Farrakhan. It also squares with the fact that whatever Wright is preaching, it's not Christianity. Add another possible former Muslim to the picture and things get very interesting indeed.

Wright's "church" could be taqiyaa (Nation of Islam flavor) on a commercial scale (and typical white people would never suspect a thing).

8 posted on 04/07/2008 2:41:44 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Timeout

bump


9 posted on 04/07/2008 2:41:45 PM PDT by lesser_satan
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To: Timeout

These people must be Muslims operating under a false “Christian” conversion in order to come into power under the radar.


10 posted on 04/07/2008 2:42:33 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Timeout
I've also seen posts here on FR in reference to the "church's" website...According to their own web site (since deleted IIRC) , some of their members are MOSLEM. Now, why would moslems regularly attend a Christian church, unless....

No, I don't have a link. I saw an article on that here a few days ago (say, 03/17-03/25) and some posts that referred to it, but I didn't save the link, and I've since deleted my browsing history. If you're interested, maybe someone here will post a link.

11 posted on 04/07/2008 2:43:07 PM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: Timeout
I guess I wasn't far off the mark when I started calling him the “Imam” wright.

Incredible...

12 posted on 04/07/2008 2:43:50 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Myrddin

“The Muslim perspective is that there is no such thing as a “former Muslim”. He is an apostate Muslim. Islamic law demands the death penalty for that offense.”

That would apply to Obama as well being born of a Muslim father.


13 posted on 04/07/2008 2:44:37 PM PDT by Walvoord
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To: Timeout

Check out this website http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1998112/posts Put this on every website you can. People need to know what this guy is all about.


14 posted on 04/07/2008 2:44:43 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Myrddin
Technically, if he was a “Nation of Islam” black muslim then he is not considered apostate because “Black Islam” is not considered by real muslims to be real Islam at all. Real Islam has nothing to do with being black. Barack Hussein is not a real Christian any more than Farrakhan is a real muslim.
15 posted on 04/07/2008 2:47:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Timeout

Muslim congressman speaks at symposium

(http://www.southtownstar.com/news/881002,040708ellison.article)

April 7, 2008

By Michael Drakulich, Staff Writer

The first Muslim elected to U.S. Congress shared some of his experiences as an elected official with those who hope to follow in his footsteps one day.

Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) was keynote speaker at the Muslim Youth Leadership Symposium, hosted by the Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

The symposium was held at the Mosque Foundation Community Center, 7260 W. 93rd St., in Bridgeview.

The two-day event brought together Muslim high school students from the area to inspire them to use their faith values toward constructive citizenship, benefiting their communities and country.

Ellison told the 100 or so students in the audience being in a position of leadership means not only recognizing problems, but finding the solutions to them. And he said it would be up to them to build cultural understanding.

He encouraged students to look within themselves and embrace the challenges they face as Muslims, even if those challenges seem unfair.

“You’ve been given a gift, an opportunity to face adversity with courage, with patience, with the assistance of prayer. And to come out on the other side of it more successful than you were before. Find out about things about yourself you didn’t know before,” he said.

Ellison told of the adversity he’s faced as a Muslim such as during his run for Congress when Robert Fine, brother of his opponent Alan Fine, called him a terrorist.

During such trying times, he received support from his family and friends during the campaign. He said it was his faith that helped carry him.

He said teachings in the Koran could help the racial divide in America. And he encouraged students to embrace and answer questions about their faith, even if those questions seem repetitive.

“Let’s use what we have, what our faith is all about, to help America get over the barrier of racial division and false barriers based on color,” he said.

Ellison went on to say if more people knew of what Islam had to teach, the controversy created by statements from presidential candidate Barack Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, might not have occurred.

Ellison took questions from the audience. At one point, he was asked whether Republican presidential candidate John McCain should be forgiven for saying he would never vote for a Muslim presidential candidate.

He reiterated Islam’s teaching of mercy.

“That’s what it means to be Muslim. To want the best for everyone, even if they want to chop you up into little pieces,” he said.

Michael Drakulich can be reached at mdrakulich@southtownstar.com or (708) 802-8841.

What a load of BS from another Obama politician


16 posted on 04/07/2008 2:47:31 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Timeout

Makes sense. Wright’s rants are virtually indistinghuisable from those of Muslim black nationalists. A Christian, he isn’t. ...and neither is B-HO.


17 posted on 04/07/2008 2:48:08 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Timeout
I'm pretty sure Religion "as we know it" has nothing to do with any of these characters. A Church is just a building to meet at and talk grievances against people they perceive are holding them back.

Christian, Muslim, Black Muslim, whatever it takes.

18 posted on 04/07/2008 2:56:12 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Timeout
Alinsky's contribution to community organizing was to create a set of rules, a clear-eyed and systemic approach that ordinary citizens can use to gain public power.

I would suggest that Conservatives need to learn how to gain public power. It is something that is clearly lacking in our mindset. I'm not all that familiar with Saul Alinsky; I know that Hillary Clinton was a devotee of his. And now we find out Obama was. Whatever. We need to rip a page out of their playbook (maybe even the whole book) and read it, study it, learn it, and apply it. Why are Conservatives so LAZY??? No wonder the Liberals are rolling over us, and changing our society daily. They're changing our society, and we're letting them. This forum is good for an exchange of ideas. But I'm coming to the conclusion that we're just talking amongst ourselves and not DOING anything. We're not out in the real word WHERE IT COUNTS. The Libs are organized, they've got playbooks, they've got power. What do we have?

19 posted on 04/07/2008 3:00:59 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Stop all the motors! Ch! Ch!)
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To: KeyLargo

Really, I think he meant to say “to want the best for everyone, even if you have to chop them up into little pieces.”


20 posted on 04/07/2008 3:07:31 PM PDT by webheart
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To: Walvoord
I suppose it is as easy to pretend you are not a Muslim as it is to pretend you are a Christian. Would depend on what your mission is and best way to succeed in that mission.

Does this make sense? LOL

21 posted on 04/07/2008 3:09:36 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: PetroniusMaximus
These people must be Muslims operating under a false “Christian” conversion in order to come into power under the radar.

According to what I have read, it is acceptable and even honorable in that religion to lie in order to achieve the ultimate goal.

22 posted on 04/07/2008 3:13:31 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (Dear RNC: Not one Conservative Candidate? Not one "RED" penny)
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To: I'm ALL Right!

Where there’s smoke...


23 posted on 04/07/2008 3:16:15 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Sunnis don't consider the Shi'ites to be real Muslims. The Wahabbis don't consider the Sunnis to be real Muslims. Pretty much every sect of Islam considers every other sect to not be "real Muslims". That's why they fight with each other endlessly.
24 posted on 04/07/2008 3:16:23 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: PetroniusMaximus

You got it right. It is permissible for muslims to lie in order to further their cause.


25 posted on 04/07/2008 3:16:35 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Timeout
Great find.

BUMP

26 posted on 04/07/2008 3:17:48 PM PDT by grandpa jones (Responding To The Epic Threat)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
According to what I have read, it is acceptable and even honorable in that religion to lie in order to achieve the ultimate goal.

Al taqiyah -- the principle that it is Ok to lie if it gives advantage to a Muslim over a non-Muslim.

27 posted on 04/07/2008 3:20:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
True. Sunnis and Shiites would both consider “black muslims” to be damned heretics suitable for beheading, although they might qualify as “people of the book.” Funny nobody asks Farrakhan if he is Sunni or Shiite. He's neither. He's not a muslim at all. “Black Muslims” believe that the idea of a “mystery god” in heaven is a lie invented by white people, and that the only real god is black people.
28 posted on 04/07/2008 3:22:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Timeout
# Dr. Wright is a student of the history of religions. His master’s degree from the University of Chicago is in that discipline and his area of concentration as an historian of religions was Islam in West Africa. While a student at the University of Chicago (U of C) he studied with the esteemed Islamic professor, Dr. Fazlur Rahman.

# Dr. Wright’s Master’s thesis at the Divinity School of the U of C was the Tijaniyya among the Bambara, the Fulbe and the Tuckolour. The Tijaniyya was a 19th Century Sufi movement (a sect of Sufism) which swept into West Africa during the period of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade.

link
29 posted on 04/07/2008 3:23:36 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: Timeout

islamist is as islamist does, Black Jesus here notwithstanding.


30 posted on 04/07/2008 3:34:31 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Timeout
I would say his “preachings” are probably not much different than you would find in a Madrassa in Pakistan.
31 posted on 04/07/2008 3:36:48 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Timeout
>>>Wright is a "former Muslim"?!<<<

I read someplace that Rev. Wright majored in "Muslim Studies" at Howard.

I'll see if I can find it in my extensive O'bama file.

32 posted on 04/07/2008 4:20:17 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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Blind Faith:
The statements of Jeremiah Wright aren’t controversial and incendiary;
they’re wicked
Slate | March 24, 2008 | Christopher Hitchens
Posted on 04/07/2008 2:31:19 PM PDT by george76
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1998121/posts

BARACK OBAMA HID HIS FATHER’S SOCIALIST
AND ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS FROM HIS READERS
presto pundit | April 7, 2008 | Greg Ransom
Posted on 04/07/2008 2:14:40 PM PDT by Mount Athos
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1998112/posts


33 posted on 04/07/2008 4:21:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: Timeout

If this nation elects this freak, we’ll probably have Osama bin Laden sleeping over in the Lincoln Bedroom.


34 posted on 04/07/2008 4:29:11 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Timeout
The only REAL “former” Mussies are dead ones
35 posted on 04/07/2008 4:29:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Timeout
Found it.....

When he took over Trinity United Church of Christ in 1972, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. was a maverick pastor with a wardrobe of dashikis and a militant message.

He graduated from Howard University and earned bachelor's and master's degrees in English with a focus on African spirituals. At the University of Chicago Divinity School, he earned another masters degree in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

Go down to second picture: Obama's Religion click on it and go down to entry under year 1990 - left hand column. You'll find it there.

This file is a very extensive compilation of Obama's history and background. I can't vouch for its accuracy - but there is a wealth of material that should raise questions and controversy in it.

36 posted on 04/07/2008 4:36:07 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: HardStarboard

Thanks. Not exactly what I’d consider a unbiased source. I tried to find a legitimate biography of Wright that mentioned his education, but I didn’t find anything.


37 posted on 04/07/2008 5:50:34 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"These people must be Muslims operating under a false “Christian” conversion in order to come into power under the radar."

Anybody know of historical cases of muslims utilizing takeya claiming to be Christian (temporarily) in order to advance the umma?

38 posted on 04/07/2008 6:00:30 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: pissant
Probably a disciple of Calypso Louie

Wright has said he has know him for 30 years and back when he was known as Louis X, the calypso singer.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MX1y6Q9PYcg

39 posted on 04/07/2008 6:53:29 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Timeout

Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim
April 7, 2008

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/

“A reader from Free Republic has dug up an old article last year (March 07) From TNR about Obama. It was written by Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic. It’s a biographical piece, but in the article, it explicitly states that Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim.”


40 posted on 04/08/2008 12:26:53 AM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Timeout

Psst.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/

Read the last two comment posts.


41 posted on 04/08/2008 12:51:12 AM PDT by AliVeritas
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To: Timeout

Hugh Hewitt found that Obama himself mentions Wright’s Muslim background in his (Obama’s) book.

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/4d8a42cb-ede8-499e-b737-df7a0682f19c

Barack Obama provides an account of his meeting Rev. Wright in Dreams from my Father, as well as this brief bio on p. 282:

“He had grown up in Philadelphia, the son of a Baptist minister. He had resisted his father’s vocation at first, joining the Marines out of college, dabbling with liquor, Islam, and black nationalism in the sixties. But the call of his faith had apparently remained, a steady tug on his heart, and eventually he’d entered Howard, then the University of Chicago, where he spent six years studying for a Ph.D. in the history of religion. “


42 posted on 04/08/2008 12:59:06 AM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: KeyLargo; SoCalPol; SE Mom; rodguy911; Fred Nerks; Beckwith

Standby...

http://contrariancommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/andy-martin-sues-new-york-times-for.html


43 posted on 04/08/2008 6:25:25 AM PDT by AliVeritas
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To: Verloona Ti; Candor7

Of course the Obama campaign is not the only ones airbrushing their website due to the sudden scrutiny of Reverend Doctor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. and his flock.

As we noted back in January of 2007, the pastor’s church used to explain themselves thusly (via the Internet Wayback Machine):

 


44 posted on 04/08/2008 6:31:15 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
These people must be Muslims operating under a false “Christian” conversion in order to come into power under the radar.

Sometimes I wonder...
 
Obama: Man of the World
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: March 6, 2007

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to
prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that
seemed delightfully uncalculated [...], Mr. Obama described the
call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at
sunset."

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
http://nevadathunder.com/?p=3626




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Great because you did it!
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45 posted on 04/08/2008 6:32:28 AM PDT by JCG
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To: AliVeritas

Hmmmm...


46 posted on 04/08/2008 6:48:44 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Charles Martel

I agree with your comments.

Wouldn’t both of these high-profile people be considered dangerous apostates? Yes, I believe they would.

Makes me say hmmmm, too.


47 posted on 04/08/2008 7:17:01 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: Timeout

WOW! Thank you very, very much for posting, Timeout.

I found this FR thread in a roundabout way from...poster gramfan’s link at jihadwatch here...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020604.php#comments

...linking to infidelsarecool blog here...

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/

...linking to your post at Free Republic in their 1st sentence.

OUTSTANDING Timeout!

Many thanks to Ryan Lizza at The New Republic.

BUMP-TO-THE-TRUTH!


48 posted on 04/08/2008 7:31:31 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Timeout
>>>I tried to find a legitimate biography of Wright that mentioned his education, but I didn’t find anything.<<<

If there is a "legitimate biography" of Wright, a relatively famous and/or notorious person, that doesn't mention his educational background and major in college, that is suspicious in and of itself.

We need a Chicago freeper to check out The Chicago Divinity School's records.

49 posted on 04/08/2008 8:20:49 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: KeyLargo
>">"quote from Drakulitch, mouthpiece for Congressman Keith Ellison - first Muslim elected to Congress<"<"

>>>He reiterated Islam’s teaching of mercy.<<<

Yep. Ask Nick Berg and Danny Pearl. They're familiar with the concept.

50 posted on 04/08/2008 8:29:02 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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