Posted on 04/07/2008 2:31:19 PM PDT by george76
It's been more than a month since I began warning Sen. Barack Obama that he would become answerable for his revolting choice of a family priest. But never mind that; the astonishing thing is that it's at least 11 months since he himself has known precisely the same thing.
"If Barack gets past the primary," said the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to the New York Times in April of last year, "he might have to publicly distance himself from me. I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen."
Pause just for a moment, if only to admire the sheer calculating self-confidence of this. Sen. Obama has long known perfectly well, in other words, that he'd one day have to put some daylight between himself and a bigmouth Farrakhan fan.
But he felt he needed his South Side Chicago "base" in the meantime. So he coldly decided to double-cross that bridge when he came to it. And now we are all supposed to marvel at the silky success of the maneuver.
You often hear it said, of some political or other opportunist, that he would sell his own grandmother if it would suit his interests. But you seldom, if ever, see this notorious transaction actually being performed...
To have accepted Obama's smooth apologetics is to have lowered one's own pre-existing standards for what might constitute a post-racial or a post-racist future. It is to have put that quite sober and realistic hope, meanwhile, into untrustworthy and unscrupulous hands. And it is to have done this, furthermore, in the service of blind faith.
Mark my words: This disappointment is only the first of many that are still to come.
(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...
"The statements of clergymen like Jeremiah Wright aren't controversial and incendiary; they're wicked and stupid."
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Your own question to me was, Didn’t I think it would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who not only knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in his own family?
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One congregant stood out amid the flowers and finery: Senator Barack Obama, there to honor the man
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Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.
“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”
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Mr. Hitchens’ hatred for religion colors a great deal of what he says and writes. This article is no exception.
Which is not to say that he is wrong in this case. Perhaps the single most abhorrent aspect of churches is that frauds and fools worm their way into the heirarchies and pulpits and by their evil invective and horrific actions discredit real religion. Wright, Meeks, Farrakhan and their ilk are not religious at all. They worship no real god but bow instead to their own twisted idols. They worship power and money ora at the altar of some insane ideology and the fruit of their labors are resentment, hatred and violence. Not for anything on this earth would I want to be such a man as on that inevitable day when each faces the real God and the truth of what they have done and who they are - and who they could have been - is revealed to them their anguish will be terrible. I believe that forgiveness is available to all who will avail themselves of it. But I also believe that the overweening arrogance of some makes the likelihood of such a reach very nearly impossible.
Not to mention for personal gain. Wright promptly moved into a $1M home in a Typical White Person golf course community.
Etc.
Say whatever you want about Hitchens's disdain of religion in general, he's so right on this point alone I want to clap until my hands fall off. Obama trying to draw moral equivalence between a woman afraid of a guy aggressively panhandling and a man preaching anti-Americanism, racial division, provably false tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, and Marxist crap from his pulpit is beyond the pale. Especially considering that same woman helped him get to where he is today, by sending him to a nice school as well as feeding, clothing and sheltering him.
Until us .
” He still gets away with absolutely everything.”
For decades, it has been assumed by some, that America is a racist country and its citizens are racist. Of course, the assumption is that it is the whites who are racist.
Wright has made some highly inflammatory racial remarks and these remarks were known to Obama. In fact, Obama knew he might have to distance himself from Wright after the primary. It is a guilty knowledge, but Obama is trying to be too clever.
More than that though, tens of millions of blacks in this country are backing Obama. By linkage, they support Obama, who supports Wright.
The bottom line is that tens of millions of whites are going to dismiss any further accusations of being racist. Blacks support Obama, Obama supports Wright. Whites should give a small thought of thanks to Obama. Singlehandedly he exposed the vile and wicked side of black theology, and it has permanently insulated whites from further nonsensical racial epithets. Whites are free to ignore this crap because of Wright. The race hustlers are only going to be laughed at now, and no one will take them seriously. All the people will have to do is to invoke the name of Reverend Wright and his church of hate and bigotry.
I see nothing anti-religious in this observation:
Perhaps the single most abhorrent aspect of churches is that frauds and fools worm their way into the heirarchies and pulpits and by their evil invective and horrific actions discredit real religion.
LOL! It's the 'living and breathing' ones I object to... .
BO never mentions his Baptism ?
African Swahili or Arabic : Barack
Hussein is also Arabic ?
Hear hear!
Or living and breathing black muslims as trusted staff members. Obama is a racist fraud.
Baptism does not appear to be a requirement to join this 'church' - muslims 'accept' Jesus as a prophet superseded by mohammad.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/islamic_jesus.html
The Qur’an
‘Isa, was a prophet of Islam
Jesus’ true name, according to the Qur’an, was ‘Isa. His message was pure Islam, surrender to Allah. (Âl ‘Imran 3:84) Like all the Muslim prophets before him, and like Muhammad after him, ‘Isa was a lawgiver, and Christians should submit to his law. (Âl ‘Imran 3:50; Al-Ma’idah 5:48) ‘Isa’s original disciples were also true Muslims, for they said ‘We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered. We are Muslims.’ (Al-Ma’idah 5:111)
No hand over his heart... yeah, sounds perfect.
There is absolutely no difference whatsoever between him and the leadership level (repeat: leadership level) of many of Americas mainstream Protestant churches, other than the racial 'black liberation' component. This has been the case for a long, long time now. McCain is identified as a long time Episcopalian. Does anyone need to be reminded of what the Episcopal Church is about these days? Hillary! is a long time United Methodist member. They are one of the main pillars of the National Council of Churches. Check them out if you are unfamiliar with their 'beliefs'.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who whines about Obamas church and has nothing to say about these others is nothing but a hypocrite.
” why is everybody is suddenly so lathered up about Jeremiah Wright.”
Many reasons . First, we are trying to understand what he stands for or against.
Obama has done very little so far in life to form a basis for a run at the POTUS. He has never run a city ( mayor ), never run a state ( governor ), never run a business, nor met a payroll with his own money...
Second, Obama is very silent on his personal goals if he were to win. He is for change...whatever that is.
Third, important people who put a roof over his head, clothes on his back, fed him, paid for expensive private education...are thrown under his bus because they have the wrong skin color.
People who had no role in Obama’s early life are dragged out as if they did. Why ? Because they have the correct ‘ pc ‘ skin color and they are muslims ?
Jeremiah Wright was his mentor...for twenty years.
One can learn alot from the company that they keep for twenty years : espically when little else is provided.
I believe Dr. Sowell made an excellent point about Obama being a member of a racist and anti-American church for 20 years, more people should be upset.
Dr. Sowell is a great man who writes well.
You will never understand it, because he is never going to tell you. But this is no different than any of the other socialists who control public policy in America.
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_Obama/ObamaReligion.htm
Excerpt:
Many people doubt that Obama can believe this filth, but Obama admits that the first thing that attracted him to Trinity was the “Black Value System.” A system based on James Cone’s revelation that Jesus is for black people only, “In the New Testament, Jesus is not for all, but for the oppressed, the poor and unwanted of society, and against oppressors ... Either God is for black people in their fight for liberation and against the white oppressors, or he is not.” Add to this his twenty year membership, marriage, and baptism of his daughters and you have a Presidential candidate that is up to his ears in hatred of white people.
America be warned, Obama’s god is very similar to the god of jihad and terror. Obama’s faith and extreme Islam share a common thread: they both see America as an oppressor that god has decided to destroy. As James Cone says, “What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
Whenever I see one of Barack Obama’s smooth performances, it reminds me of a saying from my old neighborhood in Harlem: “An eel is like sandpaper compared to you.”
The same people who have gone ballistic when some prominent figure is found to belong to some all-male social club are full of excuses for why Barack Obama remained a member of a racist and anti-American church for 20 years.
There is no question that Barack Obama is a clever and glib fellow. There is also no question that some of the most foolish, dangerous and horrific things done around the world in the past hundred years have been done by clever and glib fellows.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1998283/posts
From this quote, you can take out the words 'Obamas faith' and plug in a great many mainstream denominational beliefs instead. It's just warmed over liberation theology from the 60's and 70's. Socialism with a religeous face. It uses the gospel of Jesus Christ as a convenient prop to promote one world government, redistribution of wealth on a global scale, the end of any meaningful national sovereignty, and the institution of secular humanist values. There is absolutely nothing anomalous about Obamas church or belief system, whatever they may be. This stuff doesn't just come out of a void.
Can any students of history tell me if any other candidate this frighteningly anti-American has ever gotten this close to the presidency?
As to wealth redistribution and government takeover of the private economy, Gene McCarthy and George McGovern maybe. Also Hillary!.
in that regard, you certainly would know more than me...I'm an Aussie. We don't have a 'black church' in which the 'reverend' preaches GOD DAMN AUSTRALIA from the pulpit...so there's no chance of a long term member of 'his' congregation standing for election as Prime Minister.
But I can imagine what would happen to such a candidate, if we did! All the Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Maltese, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles, Russians, Germans, Austrains, Ukranians, Serbs, Croats, Iraqi's, Koreans, Tibetans, Indians from the subcontinent, South Africans, English, Scots, Irish, Papuans, Tongans, New Zealanders, Dutch, Swedes, Norwegans...(you get the picture?) WOULD THROW ROCKS AT HIM! WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL AUSTRALIANS!
But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/obamas-pastor-w.html
Wright/Obama finally made it acceptable for people of good will, who love this country and all its people, to call out the real rascists that poison our society: those who teach hate to the next generation under the rubric of "Black Liberation Theology."
1 Timothy 6:3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
The Apostle Paul certainly forsaw the Jeremiah Wright's of the world.
What I find perplexing is why everyone seems intent on ignoring the destructive church teachings of the other candidates, which amounts to the same thing, just without the flamboyance and bellicosity. These church leaders know how to say "G** D*** America" quietly with Phd language they learned at Harvard Divinity School.
People assume that leftists always develop their worldview in academic surroundings, but I think they also often get it from growing up in the leftist churches. In at least three of the largest mainstream denominational churches, there has been a total and complete leftwing coup in recent years. The schism in the Episcopal church is just the tip of the iceburg. In the world of organized religeon, Jeremiah Wright is mainstream.
http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue07/apostasy.htm
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Authors.aspx?GUID=D051197A-A2F6-4963-B2D8-0B489748CB29
Obama had nothing to do with the Che flat at the Houston HQ, but don’t let that get in your way.
Nice pictures, but they don’t prove your point, and they won’t, because Obama did not hang that flag.
Does the guy not do enough to offend you that you have to make stuff up?
Where did I say that he personally put up the Cuban flag ?
Your initial Post 6 indicated that Obama “somehow managed to raise the Communist flag”.
How on earth is one supposed to NOT read that as Obama raising the Communist flag?
Obama’s employees likely put up the Cuba flag.
the heart of Barack Obama’s Dreams For My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. What was Barack Obama doing seeking out Marxist professors in college?
Why did Obama choose a Communist Party USA member as his socio- political counselor in high school?
Why was he spending his time studying neocolonialism and the writings of Frantz Fanon, the pro-violence author of “the Communist Manifesto of neocolonialsm”, in college?
Why did he take time out from his studies at Columbia to attend socialist conferences at Cooper Union?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1998112/posts?page=29#29
Most people who work local campaign headquarters are volunteers.
So no, likely no one on Obama’s actual payroll did that.
Like I asked before, why not use one of the myriad of TRUE reasons to oppose him?
Some of the myriad of TRUE reasons to oppose him :
— 100% taxation
— communal farms / the elimination of private farming
— the nationalization of businesses owned by “Europeans” and “Asians”.
— “active” measures to bring about a classless society
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1998112/posts
Obama stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:
1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced “development plan”, an important element of his attack on the government’s advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)
2. Obama advocated the nationalization of “European” and “Asian” owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the “indigenous” black population. (pp. 32 -33)
"With each new utterance on the topic of Reverend Wright, Barack Obama seems to confirm his own moral obliviousness. Worse yet, he seems to have disdain for those who are troubled by his own unwillingness, even now, to break with Wright."
On his new campaign plane, Obama said he has spoken with Wright in recent days and disputed any suggestion that he or his campaign have asked him to stay out of the limelight.
"I have talked to him," he said. "I haven't asked him to do anything."
Walter Williams: "For the nation and for black people, the first black president should be the caliber of a Jackie Robinson and Barack Obama is not. Barack Obama has charisma and charm but in terms of character, values and understanding, he is no Jackie Robinson. By now, many Americans have heard the racist and anti-American tirades of Obama's minister and spiritual counselor. There's no way that Obama could have been a 20-year member of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church and not been aware of his statements."
Thomas Sowell: "It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious. Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time—and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it."
Hussein Obama’s racist pseudo minister has turned the Dems' run for President into party's train wreck!
Devastatingly, Shelby Steele writes: “Obama has fellow-traveled with a hate-filled, anti-American black nationalism all his adult life, failing to stand and challenge an ideology that would have no place for his own (white) mother."
Just What Did Obama Know About Wright's Past Sermons? (Plenty)
“Barack Obama either agreed with what was preached from the Trinity pulpit, or he tuned it out and stayed around pretending to for political reasons. To say he stayed for 20 years but doesn't agree with Wright's preaching is incredible denial. It'd be like a man buying White Sox season tickets for 20 years, attending the games, and saying he's not a fan.”
Obama’s supporters want us to ignore this story… just push it under the rug. While they’ll align Republicans with any obscure pastor who does or says something controversial, they’re trying to convince us that Obama’s 20-year long close relationship with Wright, including his effective endorsement of him, his church and rhetoric with a $22,500 donation in 2006 is irrelevant.
“When Obama decided against wearing an American flag pin, we may all have been a bit too quick to accept his rationale, too quick to find that issue unimportant. Now, that American flag pin has gotten a lot bigger for a lot of us, especially in light of what may have been and may still be Obama’s deeper, and, perhaps, secret, less than patriotic beliefs about America.”
“Wright says that blacks can’t be expected to sing God Bless America because of racism. Obama doesn’t salute the flag during the National Anthem. That sure strikes me as an amazing coincidence since Obama swears he never heard Wright say anything against America.”
Here is the link to the Star Spangled Banner video with obama standing there without his hand over his heart...
Notice her ear ring!
I don’t think so but think of this
if obama get elected, then think of oabma’s friends, associates and family
he has connections to the nation of islam
black power groups
black panthers etc
then there is
the weather underground a terrorists group who has planted bombs and declared war on this country
there is
far left groups, communists, even move on . orgislamisits groups even from kenya where he has family
Right get the picture
now oabma is in the white house he now has access to the CIA AND FBI , he has access to claasified documents and classified actions on going around the world.
How do we know that these people he has been aroiund for most and some cases all of his life will not be getting into the white house
how do we know that these people will not get some info on our enemies and that info will be sued against us
we don’t
I really hope that our national security lot are investigating obama and his people as they right now are the biggest national security threat to our country
we will be destroyed from within
now it might sound a bit far out but think about it, he has been around all these people for a long time so of course he must agree with at least some of them, so why not think that they will get into the white house and get info
fed up of hearing off the PC media that of course obama doesn’t agree with these people, er most of his life he has been around them of course he must stop being PC about this and let the public know what is in store from obama
I hope any fool and form what I have seen from obama voters and supporters then they are fools will wake up and realise that obama needs to be stopped from getting anywhere near the white house
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