Posted on 04/07/2008 11:06:17 PM PDT by Sammy67
April 07, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
A group of concerned citizens has been raising alarms about the Islamic elements planned for the Flight 93 Memorial near Shanksville, Pa., for years. And a member of Congress has demanded the National Park Service make changes in its plans.
But there's been no substantive response, and now the activists say it's time for the American people to let officials know whether they want to pay for and have installed in the memorial a crescent that points to Mecca to make up a "mihrab," the foundational point for every Islamic mosque, a tower that has been designed like an Islamic sundial and 44 memorial glass blocks, one each for the passengers, crew and terrorists aboard Flight 93.
The new petition is being promoted both online and on paper, and it tells the government simply to investigate the design of the memorial, which is to honor the passengers and crew members of Flight 93 on Sept. 11, 2001.
Authorities believe the hijacked flight may have been the bomb that was supposed to hit the White House or the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. Three other flights hijacked that day by Islamic terrorists hit the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in
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Is this true? It's my understanding that the original design was either nixed or heavily modified after getting hit with criticism of this sort. As a citizen who has donated funds for the building of the Flight 93 Memorial, I would be appalled and disturbed if the "crescent of embrace" were still the planned memorial.
That it even entered the heads of the developers of this memorial to use Islamic symbols at all shows just how nuts this country has become.
There is a 9/11 Memorial in Phoenix which has caused an uproar since it was unveiled because of all the left wing propaganda that it included.
People are trying to get some of the offensive inscriptions removed but Governor Dieseldyke Napolitano, the poor man's hillary clinton, is running interference.
Standby then....the design has NOT been modified to remove any of the ojectionable features.
More here:
http://errortheory.blogspot.com/
You could also ask the architect Paul Murdoch what's up, here:
http://www.paulmurdocharchitects.com/contact.htm
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Memorial blocks for the /terrorists?/
It is astounding that this continues to go on.
If you remember, they tried to subvert and marginalize the meaning of the memorial in New York as well. Is it the fault of the person they hire to design-—or is this the fault of the government agency in charge? Regardless, it is inexcusable-—in both cases.
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I agree with the inappropriateness of this, but...just on a tangent...the crescent moon is not solely a Muslim symbol. Is it not, for example, an element traditionally associated with the State of South Carolina?
> whether they want to pay for and have installed in the memorial a crescent that points to Mecca to make up a “mihrab,” the foundational point for every Islamic mosque, a tower that has been designed like an Islamic sundial and 44 memorial glass blocks, one each for the passengers, crew and terrorists aboard Flight 93.
WTF??? My brain has just exploded!
What is wrong with you Americans? Commemorating the terrorists aboard Flight 93? Is that a serious proposition???
Whose stupid idea was that? And what’s with all this Muslim Crap on the memorial site? Is this proposition merely oblivious, or are they trying to be deliberately offensive?
Somebody needs to be fired in public and with humiliation. Maybe a few people, the more senior the better.
The West is at war with these dangerous, bigoted Muslim clowns. These clowns still want to kill us all, and they haven’t surrendered. They are the Enemy.
Flight 93 was the first blow struck in the War on Terror against this Enemy. Including this Muslim Crap is exactly analogous to including swastikas on WW-II memorials just because Nazis died, too.
Crap! Crap! Crap!
I’m a foreigner and I can see it. A Kiwi died on Flight 93 and I think it is in the worst possible taste to memorialize his assassins in this fashion. I would be stunned if Americans did not feel likewise about the Americans who died on Flight 93.
I think it is a deliberate attempt to demoralize Americans who have not bowed down to political correctness and who think that Islam has a lot explaining to do rather than we have to apologize to the Islamists for merely existing. The leftist nihilists and the Islamist fanatics have joined forces to make people demoralized and intimidated. This would be like having a swastika as the main feature at a Holocaust memorial or having a burning cross at a memorial to the people killed in the civil rights struggle. The Islamists are saying, “We can kill you at our leisure, piss on your graves, and our allies at every level of your government will rush to help us! So die, dhimmie fools!” Do you remember that there was a piece of rubble that resembled a cross at the World Trade Center ruins and this became an informal memorial? Our criminal, traitor class went berzerk in demanding that the cross be removed. Now the same people want to memorialize the terrorists and mock the victims. I think they especially want to desecrate the Flight 93 site because the “dhimmies” fought back.
I think it goes beyond even someone trying to be offensive. This is part of the propaganda war against the West. America did a pretty good job of suppressing Nazi sympathizers during WWII. Enemy propaganda and even defeatist talk was not allowed. We sure as hell did not invite Nazi leaders over to speak at our universities or design our memorials! This would have been like inviting Nazis to the Arlington Cemetery where many of our patriots are buried and allowing them to replace the crosses at the graves with swastikas! Anyone who had the audacity to suggest such a crazy idea would have been arrested and sent to prison for being an agent of the enemy. Now we not only tolerate enemy propaganda, we celebrate the enemy and mock our fallen heroes! This is worse than naive appeasement. There is more to it than that.
Send treats to the troops...
Great because you did it!
www.AnySoldier.com
If there is a crescent moon anywhere near this site, it better be cut into an outhouse. Better yet, join two together and use it for a toilet seat.
I thought all of this had been squashed and a new design had been approved by the families. We have a FReeper whos father perished aboard that flight and forgive me I cannot remember his name. Anybody?
From the referenced site....
“Is there Islamic religious symbolism incorporated into the design of the Flight 93 National Memorial?
No.
How do you know?
When questions were raised about the design, they were taken very seriously. The National Park Service and the Flight 93 partner organizations investigated the issues and consulted with university and religious scholars, all of whom concluded that the memorial design does not imply or depict religious iconography.
What do the Families of Flight 93 have to say about the design of the memorial?
They support it. In a November 9, 2007 letter to Congressman Tancredo they wrote, “The Families of Flight 93 overwhelmingly support the design and the design process, and reaffirmed that support by a unanimous vote of the Board of Directors as recently as two months ago.”
What do the Families of Flight 93 have to say about the perceived Islamic symbolism in the memorial?
The Families of Flight 93 sent this letter to Congressman Tom Tancredo on November 9, 2007 in response to his criticism of the design.”
Not defending this, but there is nothing on the design page that strikes one as “islamic”.
They’re dealing with it the way they always handle these things. When it is apparent that people are upset, they make soothing noises and wait for the commotion to die down. Soon people forget about the whole thing, or are under the mistaken impression that it has been corrected.
In addition, in this case they also got some family members of the victims to come out and say that the Islamic symbols in the monument didn’t bother them. (Although I believe there are at least a couple of family members who are quite concerned and angry about it.)
See #20, above.
The initial design had a much more open circle that was definitely a crescent, and a clump of trees that certainly looked like a star. They have not substantially changed the design, but simply extended the arms of the circle so it is a little less crescent-like and reduced (but not eliminated) the clump of trees. I would still identify it as a star and crescent, especially from a more distant view from above.
Furthermore, they apparently still have retained the glass blocks commemorating the dead terrorists. Most of all, the “Tower of Voices” (way at the back in one of the photos) sure looks like a minaret to me.
In addition, I recall that some people originally recognized it as such and stupidly stated that it was promoting “reconciliation.” Barf. They need to start all over again with another design.
Unfortunately, you are probably spot on with your analysis. We’re all about the celebration of our diversity and the lengths we will go to gain acceptance of those that wish to kill us.
Stockholm syndrome.
Oh, I see.
Thanks.
How about 44 forms ascending to a bright light and three (four?) forms descending into a fire ...
What ever happened to the days when a memorial would be a simple stone with the people’s names engraved on it?
Now, we seem to want to make excessive bigger gaudy monuments with more political overtones to show we “care” more.
Apparently not. Good explanation and pictures here:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-sc.html
:)
You are damn right I'm going to ask Mr. Murdoch what's going on. He's a 1978 undergrad alum of the Architecture School here at the University of Virginia. I'm graduating from Engineering here next year.
A large block of stone with the date and the names of the passengers and crew who died would suffice. Fly the Stars and Stripes and the flags of the States of residence of each of the passengers and crew. Problem solved.
Feenix memorial info -
Wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Memorial_(Arizona)
the offical site is “under revision” - odd, isn’t it?
Local paper has a take on the mess
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/74855
News piece from 2 April
http://www.kpho.com/news/15776274/detail.html
Lots of folks not too happy with the Memorial.
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It isn’t the crescent per se that’s the problem. It’s that the design is clearly, taken in toto, a Mihrab. That, plus the minaret. Oh, and the memorial blocks for the dead terrorists.
Even though reported in the notoriously conspiracy minded world nut daily, I’m convinced that the Islamic iconography is no accident.
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