go ahead and muddy the waters ya jackass!
Posted on 04/08/2008 4:42:05 AM PDT by Toskrin
Ahmedabad, January 18 Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama calls himself a Marxist monk, because “Marxism is more ethical, unlike capitalism”.
At a gathering at the Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad (IIM-A), he said: “I am a Marxist monk, a Buddhist Marxist. I belong to the Marxist camp, because unlike capitalism, Marxism is more ethical. Marxism, as an ideology, takes care of the welfare of its employees and believes in distribution of wealth among the people of the state.”
Delivering a lecture on Ethics and Business, the Tibetan leader-in-exile said the global economy has created vast economic differences in every country of the world. “In the absence of ethical handling of money, the whole community suffer from a sense of insecurity. Exploitation of workers is maximum in developing countries. There are very high degrees of exploitation in India and China, similar to the exploitation during industrialisation of Western countries a century ago,” he said.
Ethics, the Dalai Lama said, could be categorised as theistic, non-theistic, and secular, and need not be based on religious faith.
“In all the three cases, the definition of ethics remains the same. Both theistic and non-theistic religions advocate love, forgiveness, tolerance and compassion. Secular ethics, on the other hand, is based on the realisation of the same ideas on the basis of common sense and individual experience.
“Trust and openness should be the foundation of business ethics. Even according to modern scientific research, warm heartedness is important for the happiness, well-being and health of a person. Consequentially, it forms a sounds base for a happy society,” the Dalai Lama said.
What’s his beef with China, then?
Well, I had a little respect for him once..............
Proverbs 14:12
12There is a way that seems right to a man,but its end is the way to death.
“I am a Marxist monk, a Buddhist Marxist. I belong to the Marxist camp, because unlike capitalism, Marxism is more ethical. Marxism, as an ideology, takes care of the welfare of its employees and believes in distribution of wealth among the people of the state.”
It’s logic like this that makes you want to pull your hair out.
Exactly what I was thinking. Capitalism is the only moral economic system.
Goes to show you that you can think and meditate forever and still be a confused idiot and WRONG.
Q to DL: Is China's trampling on the people of Tibet in any way related to Marxism?
go ahead and muddy the waters ya jackass!
But he will keep coming to the West with his hand out. The Marxist’s won’t help him.
Regards
Carl Spackler: So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I’m a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald… striking. So, I’m on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice
He's an idiot.
I think you have to look at what he’s saying from a Buddhist perspective.
The Dalai Lama needs take off his rose-colored glasses and learn some objective history. Communism, wherever instituted, leads to poverty and death. Capitalism leads to wealth and life. It’s that simple. I suggest he Google “democide” and “Rummel”.
Lol
They praise a celibate Buddhist monk but denigrate celibate Catholic priests.
“It’s logic like this that makes you want to pull your hair out.”
Looks like he already did.
“Capitalism is the only moral economic system.”
I don’t know if I’d go that far....
Capitalism and the underlying freedom necessary for it’s practice allows for free individuals to pursue their own self-interest.
The only alternative is for someone else to decide what is in the individuals interest, which invariably becomes tyranny.
Conditions for capitalism - freedom - is where morality and capitalism are tied - and the only way both can flourish.
“Capitalism leads to wealth...”
Buddhism isn’t about garnering wealth
So, the millions of dead at the hands of Marxists was/is just population control for the good of the whole?
And the Left still looks for that magical person that can make Marxism/socialism/communism work.
Dolly Llama: “I’m dumb as a box of rocks.”
Tibet is screwed.
Too bad the Dalai Lama has never had a real job. Perhaps, then he would know what ethics really is.
...and that has worked out so well for him and his people...
Ironically, it is a Marxist country that sent him into an exile. Or, perhaps, that's what 'ethical' means for him?
Is that the same person who met Richard Halliburton in the 1930’s and Lowell Thomas in 1949?
oh boy is he gonna get a following now. the New Age has its guru.
To tell you the truth, I don't even think he's a llama. Looks more like a really pissed off bobcat.
” “Capitalism leads to wealth...”
Buddhism isn’t about garnering wealth “
Correct, Grasshopper. It’s about freeing yourself from the bonds to the material plane. And the Marxists will help you separate yourself from the material world in a big way.
Capitalism is about self-determination. Anyone who truly believes that each person is unique and individual and has the right to choose who and what they want to be cannot embrace economic systems that do not allow for self-determination. One of those choices left to the individual is the choice to be charitable. I would argue that the redistribution of wealth by charitable choices is a much more efficient means of helping those in need than is any supposed egalitarian governmental system.
There went any respect I had for the Dali Lama. Too bad because I thought he was a supporter of freedom. His message is happiness, but has anyone ever seen a happy Marxist?
Great post.
Love that movie Caddyshack
The "wealth" I was referring to is the overall societal wealth, not individual wealth. So, which is better--for everyone to be dirt poor and living under Marxism (a la North Korea, Cuba, and soon, Venezuela), or for the overall society to be far richer, but for there to be a bigger disparity between rich and poor, where the "poor" in the capitalist society are far better off than the "poor" in the Marxist society.
At bottom, THAT is what the DL is talking about---not "personal enlightenment" (which IS what Buddhism is about).
Isn’t he supposed to be enlightened? ;0)
The Dalai Lama thus demonstrates that one can be an incarnation of Avalokitesvara and still be politically DUMB!
You're not a monk, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
Capitalism is the only economic system ever devised that is compatible with INDIVIDUAL rights (NOT GROUP RIGHTS, NOT COLLECTIVE RIGHTS, NOT "HUMAN" RIGHTS).
Sheesh! Think Lama, think.
Screw Tibet then. China is Capitalist!
I’m not Buddhist and I certainly believe in capitalism.
FWIW - I think your argument is probably a discussion that the Dalai Lama would enjoy having with you.
He thinks there is only so much pie and that it has to be shared equally in order to be moral. The only thing that leads to is lots of poor destitute people.
Everywhere it has been tried it fails.
Yet in his mind it failed each time only because it was done wrong... That only if his brand were applied it would work... And so goes the cycle again and again...
And as far as "exploited" workers in China and India, exactly how does he think a people lift themselves out of poverty? You have to start somewhere making more pie, not dividing whatever is there to begin with.
What a foolish thing, for such a wise man to say.
China just won this confrontation.
The Dalai Lama, just surrendered.
That's a bit ironic don't you think?
If wealth isn't important to a Buddhist, why is he concerned about the unequal distribution of it then? That is, if some have more than others it is immoral. Wealth and the absence of wealth is the center of his morality argument.
Again, a bit ironic don't you think?
The Swastika is one of the holiest symbols in Hinduism and Buddhism and has been such for thousands of years. The fact that Hitler and the Nazis misappropriated the symbol and used it to sybolize the genocidal fascist regime doesn’t mean Eastern religions should discard their holiest and most auspicious concepts.
The Buddhist symbol is (not) a swastika - nor the other way around.
There is a simple way to tell the difference.
The Buddhist symbol turns counter-clockwise. The Nazi swastika turns clockwise.
Think of the Nazi “SS”. The swastika can be seen to be composed by combining two of the letter “S”. The Buddhist symbol is made from “Z”.
FWIW. :)
How can a religious leader possibly consider himself a Marxist.
This is the most profoudly disappointing thing I've read in a long time. The Dali Lama is a sham!
This will endear him even more to the kooks in San Fran/Berkeley and the Hollywood crowd.
So the "Llama" is in favor of the state forcibly entering someone's home and confiscating that person's private property for the purpose of distributing it to less wealthy people? In Western Liberal thinking we call that thievery.
However, this begs the question as to why the Llama doesn't like China? Is it because China has become capitalist or does he believe in self determination? If the latter, this thought has no romm in Marxism.
I wondered why he was o popular with the Democrats and college crowd. Now I know.
Power. He wants to be the one that is in control.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.