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Bob Dylan wins a Pulitzer prize
Yahoo - AP ^ | 04/08/08 | HILLEL ITALIE

Posted on 04/08/2008 8:51:40 AM PDT by Borges

Thanks to Bob Dylan, rock 'n' roll has finally broken through the Pulitzer wall. Dylan, the most acclaimed and influential songwriter of the past half century, who more than anyone brought rock from the streets to the lecture hall, received an honorary Pulitzer Prize on Monday, cited for his "profound impact on popular music and American culture, marked by lyrical compositions of extraordinary poetic power."

It was the first time Pulitzer judges, who have long favored classical music, and, more recently, jazz, awarded an art form once dismissed as barbaric, even subversive.

"I am in disbelief," Dylan fan and fellow Pulitzer winner Junot Diaz said of Dylan's award.

Diaz's "The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao," a tragic but humorous story of desire, politics and violence among Dominicans at home and in the United States, won the fiction prize. Diaz, 39, worked for more than a decade on his first novel — "I spent most of the time on dead-ends and doubts," he told The Associated Press on Monday — and at one point included a section about Dylan.

"Bob Dylan was a problem for me," Diaz, who has also published a story collection, "Drown," said with a laugh. "I had one part that was 40 pages long, the entire chapter was organized around Bob Dylan's lyrics over a two year-period (1967-69). By the end of it, I wanted to throttle my like of Bob Dylan."

The Pulitzer for drama was given to Tracy Letts' "August: Osage County," which, like Diaz's novel, combines comedy and brutality. Letts calls the play "loosely autobiographical," a bruising family battle spanning several generations of unhappiness and unfulfilled dreams.

"It's a play I have been working on in my head and on paper for many years now," said Letts, reached by the AP in Chicago at the Steppenwolf Theater Company, where "August: Osage County" had its world premiere last summer.

"There were just some details from my grandmother, my grandfather's suicide (for example) that I had played over and over in my head for many, many years. I always thought, `Well, that's the stuff of drama right there.'"

Former U.S. poet laureate Robert Hass, already a National Book Award winner for "Time and Materials," won the poetry Pulitzer, as did Philip Schultz's "Failure."

"This is the book ... I have always wanted to write," Schultz told the AP. "Everyone is expert on one subject and failure seems to be mine. ... I was born into it. My father went bankrupt when I was 18 and he died soon afterward out of (a) terrible sense of shame. And we lost everything, my mother and I."

Other winners Monday: Daniel Walker Howe, for history, for "What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848"; Saul Friedlander, general nonfiction, for "The Years of Extermination: Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1939-1945"; for biography, John Matteson's "Eden's Outcasts: The Story of Louisa May Alcott and Her Father."

"I wrote my book in a way that is generally accessible to the curious literate reader," Howe said. "And I think that's very important, and I wish more books were written that way."

"It's a special honor because it ties me even more to the country of which I'm now a citizen," said Friedlander, who became a U.S. citizen seven years ago and won the German Booksellers Association's 2007 Peace Prize for his work on documenting the Holocaust.

"I am surprised, grateful, overjoyed — and a little embarrassed to do this with my first book," said Matteson, a professor of English at John Jay College in New York City who added that his 14-year-old daughter was an inspiration.

"Not only did I understand parenting better after writing the book, but being a parent helped me to write the book."

Dylan's victory doesn't mean that the Pulitzers have forgotten classical composers. The competitive prize for music was given to David Lang's "The Little Match Girl Passion," which opened last fall at Carnegie Hall, where Dylan has also performed.

"Bob Dylan is the most frequently played artist in my household so the idea that I am honored at the same time as Bob Dylan, that is humbling," Lang told the AP.

Long after most of his contemporaries either died, left the business or held on by the ties of nostalgia, Dylan continues to tour almost continuously and release highly regarded CDs, most recently "Modern Times." Fans, critics and academics have obsessed over his lyrics — even digging through his garbage for clues — since the mid-1960s, when such protest anthems as "Blowin' in the Wind" made Dylan a poet and prophet for a rebellious generation.

His songs include countless biblical references and he has claimed Chekhov, Walt Whitman and Jack Kerouac as influences. His memoir, "Chronicles, Volume One," received a National Book Critics Circle nomination in 2005 and is widely acknowledged as the rare celebrity book that can be treated as literature.

According to publisher Simon & Schuster, Dylan is working on a second volume of memoirs. No release date has been set.


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1 posted on 04/08/2008 8:51:41 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges; scott says

This should be an interesting one, as all the AntiDylanistas should come out of the wood work.


2 posted on 04/08/2008 8:56:17 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Borges
Bob Dylan is a rare talent and not full of himself like most celebrities.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 04/08/2008 8:57:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Ditto that.


4 posted on 04/08/2008 8:58:36 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: Michael.SF.

What Dylan said when he accepted the award:

“Bleh bleh bleh blah blah blah. Blah bleh bleh blah! Bleh bleh bleh blah blah blah!”

His son Jakob is both a better musician and far more comprehensible.
*****

That said, this Pulitzer is right up there with the Goracle’s Nobel Prize. Null significance.


5 posted on 04/08/2008 8:58:59 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Borges

The times, they are a changin....


6 posted on 04/08/2008 8:59:23 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Borges

Don’t know if this is in the proper spirit. Seems like Pulitzers go to those who dig out things we didn’t know about things that have large effect. Dylan sings and writes stuff we already know. Very well, but its not investigative journalsim.


7 posted on 04/08/2008 9:00:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Michael.SF.
Oh puleeze.....I have to worship Bob Dylan or I'm a "AntiDylanista"?

Give it a rest.

8 posted on 04/08/2008 9:01:30 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Minutemen

I hope he doesn’t say, “It ain’t me, babe...”

Cool news:)


9 posted on 04/08/2008 9:02:27 AM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Not worship but recognize his titanic influence on American culture.


10 posted on 04/08/2008 9:02:33 AM PDT by Borges
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To: goldstategop

He’s a hell of a song writer, but a Nobel Peace Prize?

Mr. Zimmerman has done quite well. He has Grammys, Oscars and Golden Globes....more fitting for his profession.


11 posted on 04/08/2008 9:02:50 AM PDT by Loud Mime (If Muslims love death, why do they have hospitals?)
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To: Borges

You may be an ambassador to England or France,
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance,
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world,
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You might be a rock ‘n’ roll addict prancing on the stage,
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage,
You may be a business man or some high degree thief,
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young Turk,
You may be the head of some big TV network,
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame,
You may be living in another country under another name

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home,
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome,
You might own guns and you might even own tanks,
You might be somebody’s landlord, you might even own banks

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride,
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side,
You may be workin’ in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair,
You may be somebody’s mistress, may be somebody’s heir

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk,
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk,
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread,
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy,
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy,
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray,
You may call me anything but no matter what you say

You’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody.
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

Bob Dylan-Gotta Serve Somebody

Now, who are most people serving?


12 posted on 04/08/2008 9:03:12 AM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Borges
Bob Dylan wins a Pulitzer prize

If Dylan ever learns to sing, there'll be no stopping him...

13 posted on 04/08/2008 9:03:25 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Califreak

Is *that* what that song’s lyrics are? I couldn’t tell with Bob’s mumbling.


14 posted on 04/08/2008 9:04:21 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Califreak

The FedGov.


15 posted on 04/08/2008 9:04:21 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: Loud Mime

OOPS: Peace Prize and Pulitzers......referring to Gore and Dylan


16 posted on 04/08/2008 9:05:03 AM PDT by Loud Mime (If Muslims love death, why do they have hospitals?)
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To: snarks_when_bored

No kidding. His son, at least, can sing AND play. Bob? Not so much...


17 posted on 04/08/2008 9:05:05 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: goldstategop

I don’t think talent is all that rare. There are great musicians all over the place. You just never hear them because the avenue to fame doesn’t necessarily select for those with the most talent. I’m not saying Dylan isn’t talented. He is. I just feel that many with extraordinary talents never get noticed. This is true in all walks of life, including politics (actually, I think most politicians are in the lower rungs of overall talent, but achieve on the basis of their inflated sense of self-importance).


18 posted on 04/08/2008 9:05:13 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: RightWhale

there’s pulitzers for many areas other than journalism


19 posted on 04/08/2008 9:05:15 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

Mission creep


20 posted on 04/08/2008 9:06:49 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Michael.SF.

I have much admiration for Dylan’s work. I don’t know if it merits a Pulitzer, but I’m glad it was him and not Bono!

His music was frequently used for protests, but Dylan himself didn’t usually get involved in that sort of thing.

Hey-at least it wasn’t Dan Rather or Amanpour!


21 posted on 04/08/2008 9:07:00 AM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Borges

Dylan may be a great songwriter, but his voice reminds me of fingernails on a chalkboard.


22 posted on 04/08/2008 9:07:19 AM PDT by fredhead (4-cylinder, air cooled, horizontally opposed......THE REAL VW!!!)
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To: Borges

lol


23 posted on 04/08/2008 9:07:30 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Spktyr

His son Jakob is both a better musician and far more comprehensible.
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And in 20 years he may be as good a songwriter as dad is, and has been for getting on to 50 years. And I say that as a pretty big fan of the Wallflowers.

Dylan’s mark is not his musicianship. The Band, and his other bands, have supplied the requisite level of musicianship to complement his writing.

Neither Bob nor Jakob are gonna win anyone’s “Hottest Guitar Player” poll. Both seem to recognize that the music is the vehicle for the words.


24 posted on 04/08/2008 9:07:54 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Borges
"....Not worship but recognize his titanic influence on American culture......"

No titanic influence on the culture of THIS American. I found his "music" abrasive at best and not really reflective of what most Americans believe.

Darling of the American Left ala Woody Guthrie. He promoted class warfare.

The only song he wrote that I liked was "Like a Rolling Stone", which was done much better by the Young Rascals.

25 posted on 04/08/2008 9:09:46 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Borges

Good. He deserves the prize. He is a genius and a national treasure.


26 posted on 04/08/2008 9:10:07 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: snarks_when_bored

If Dylan ever learns to sing, there’ll be no stopping him...
______

Don’t need to worry about that. Since everyone and their grandmas cover Dylan songs (imitation as the most sincere form of flattery), we have them to listen to for their lovely vocalizations.

I prefer the real thing - going to his concerts and buying his records.


27 posted on 04/08/2008 9:11:08 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I have to worship Bob Dylan or I'm a "AntiDylanista"?

Who said there are only two categories?

But, you will see those to whom I am referring. Those who have no strong feelings on Dylan one way or the other, usually do not post.

Then others, like you, will read into the comments that which was not there.

28 posted on 04/08/2008 9:11:30 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Borges

Bob Dylan BUMP!
The Pulitzer people may be morons, but at least they got something right.


29 posted on 04/08/2008 9:11:30 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Califreak

I would rather it have been Sting. More intelligible, more *intelligent* lyrics, far more versatile at writing, etc., etc.


30 posted on 04/08/2008 9:12:03 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Borges

This year Dylan, next year Becker & Fagen...


31 posted on 04/08/2008 9:13:55 AM PDT by Ozone34
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To: Spktyr
That said, this Pulitzer is right up there with the Goracle’s Nobel Prize. Null significance.

I lost any semblance of respect for the Pulitzer when they gave an award to Molly Ivins.

One should not speak ill of the dead, so I will leave it at that.

32 posted on 04/08/2008 9:15:04 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Michael.SF.

Where would bve without the original thinkers who keep telling us the ignorant their deep thought that “Dylan can’t sing”. Could Louis Armstrong? Can Tom Waits? Who can sing? Pavarotti?


33 posted on 04/08/2008 9:15:19 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: dmz
I was never a big Dylan fan, but I'll admit to liking "Someday Baby" from his recent Modern Times CD.
34 posted on 04/08/2008 9:16:23 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Borges

Unfortunately, you can’t play any of those Prizes on your record player, not even on an 8-track, and you can’t read them. Which makes them all meaningless, me thinks, just like the Halls of Fame.


35 posted on 04/08/2008 9:17:20 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: Lancey Howard; Borges

They were actually right twice in one day: First, a Pulitzer for the cartoonist Michael Ramirez, and now one for Bob Dylan. I’m stunned!


36 posted on 04/08/2008 9:18:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: Califreak
Dylan himself didn’t usually get involved in that sort of thing.

For good reasons too. Dylan, IMHO, is actually far more conservative then his personna seems to project or as he is portayed or though of by those who worship the all mighty 'ANTI War' peacnik Bob.

37 posted on 04/08/2008 9:19:32 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Borges
::Sigh:: No Peace Prize this year!

I'm kidding! I'm kidding!

38 posted on 04/08/2008 9:19:51 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Kol-hamishkav 'asher yishkav `alayv hazav yitma'; vekhol-hakeli 'asher-yeshev `alayv yitma'.)
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To: Ozone34

“Becker & Fagen...”

Now you’re talking!


39 posted on 04/08/2008 9:20:41 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: Califreak

Dylan did get caught up with the protest scene for a while, but came to his senses soon enough. Oh, the reactionaries were pissed when they heard these lyrics:

Crimson flames tied through my ears
Rollin’ high and mighty traps
Pounced with fire on flaming roads
Using ideas as my maps
“We’ll meet on edges, soon,” said I
Proud ‘neath heated brow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I’m younger than that now.

Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
“Rip down all hate,” I screamed
Lies that life is black and white
Spoke from my skull. I dreamed
Romantic facts of musketeers
Foundationed deep, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I’m younger than that now.

Girls’ faces formed the forward path
From phony jealousy
To memorizing politics
Of ancient history
Flung down by corpse evangelists
Unthought of, though, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I’m younger than that now.

A self-ordained professor’s tongue
Too serious to fool
Spouted out that liberty
Is just equality in school
“Equality,” I spoke the word
As if a wedding vow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I’m younger than that now.

In a soldier’s stance, I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I’d become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
My pathway led by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I’m younger than that now.

Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I’m younger than that now.


40 posted on 04/08/2008 9:21:31 AM PDT by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: Revolting cat!
Many of Bob's contemporaries can or could sing in addition to their other talents.
41 posted on 04/08/2008 9:21:47 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I get that impression also.


42 posted on 04/08/2008 9:21:50 AM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: livius

Wow. I hadn’t heard Ramirez got a Pulitzer! He’s the best political cartoonist in America today. I hope the prize comes with a pile of money for the guy. (BTW, he must drive the loons at the LA Times absolutely crazy.)


43 posted on 04/08/2008 9:22:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Victor

“Darling of the American Left ala Woody Guthrie. He promoted class warfare.”


Dylan was asked about the absence of any song about the current war on his own latest album, Modern Times.

“Didn’t Neil Young do that?” he jokes . . . “What’s funny about the Neil record, when I heard ‘Let’s Impeach the President,’ I thought it was something old that had been lying around. I said, ‘That’s crazy, he’s doing a song about Clinton?’”

Weekly Standard, Sean Curnyn:
“Somehow, after over 40 years of evidence to the contrary, much of the world seems to continue to expect the man who is arguably America’s greatest songwriter to sign on to left/liberal causes at the first opportunity. If nothing else, it is proof that in attempting to kidnap Dylan’s songs (in Dylan’s own words, his songs were “subverted into polemics” in the 1960s), the left succeeded in convincing the average person that both the work and the man did, indeed, belong to them.”

Read the rest of the Weekly Standard article “ What Dylan is Not” at;

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Protected/Articles/000/000/012/727xwxao.asp


44 posted on 04/08/2008 9:24:16 AM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Could Louis Armstrong? Can Tom Waits?

Add to that: Johnny Cash, Rod Stewart.

Yet I have records/Cd's by all of them. Why?

Because it takes a lot more talent then just a good singing voice to become a popular recording artist. Things like: Song writing skills and ability to emote feelings.

45 posted on 04/08/2008 9:25:03 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Spktyr

I would rather it have been Sting. More intelligible, more *intelligent* lyrics, far more versatile at writing, etc., etc.
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Yup. You can read Sting’s lyrics and know exactly what he’s talking about. Dylan is more challenging in that regard.

I think of it like looking at portraits versus looking at something abstract.


46 posted on 04/08/2008 9:25:31 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Facts are facts. He revolutionized pop music and therefore pop culture. He knocked down the door of the musical pop mainstream to people whod idn’t really have a beautiful voice but ‘had something to say’. You can even trace gangsta rap back to him.


47 posted on 04/08/2008 9:26:08 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Spktyr
Yes, Debbie Boone a Dylan contemporary can sing. As does Bobby Goldsboro. There are genres and styles (D'uh!) A discerning listener knows how to recognize them categorize them and appreciate them. According to those who prefer pretty singing, none of the bluesmen could sing, neither could Louis Armstrong or Louis Prima, but Johnny Mathis? Ah, heavenly. Dylan can sing better than most!
48 posted on 04/08/2008 9:26:13 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: Borges
If you must post then post you must. At least it's not posthumously.


49 posted on 04/08/2008 9:26:32 AM PDT by shineon
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To: Borges

Way to go, Bob!


50 posted on 04/08/2008 9:26:34 AM PDT by Huck (Watching the DEMs come down the stretch is like watching the Mets come down the stretch!)
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