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To: Manly Warrior; Squantos; Eaker; DuncanWaring; CodeToad; archy; glock rocks

I don’t feel undergunned with my M-4gery Homeland Defense Rifle.


48 posted on 04/08/2008 7:11:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

My local 100 pound PC hired and promoted minority SWAT killer has everything I’ll need if the flag goes up.

I told her to call me Bawana as she is just carrying my guns till I need em.....:o)

Nite Ya’ll !


51 posted on 04/08/2008 7:15:31 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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Nor should you. With a good selection of ammo, say 45-50 grain 223, it is a terrific house gun, with 68-77 grain BTHPs it will reach out easily to 300m and with a decent optical sight, you are not handicapped by it at all.

Most important is practice and more practice. 55 grn M193 milsurp is getting expensive, but still less than 20-22 cents a shot if you buy in bulk.


69 posted on 04/09/2008 5:25:39 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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To: Travis McGee

Ditto. I thought long & hard about home defense tools, and settled on a Colt M4LE (as close to a gen-ew-wine M4 as legal for us mere civvies).

From what I can tell, the real problem is the insistence on using “green tip” rounds for soft targets: fragmentation is crucial for 5.56 performance, and the steel-core stuff doesn’t fragment. Use Mk.262 and results are much better. The M16/M4 platform is very sensitive to ammo selection (length & twist vs. weight & velocity, fragmentation velocity, velocity drop vs. distance), and most who have problems with terminal ballistics probably picked the wrong ammo. Feed it a proper diet, and it will perform admirably.

Context is also important. The M4 platform, with its short barrel, is made more for close ranges of urban & CQB situations, not the long ranges of open desert & mountain terrain. For the latter, you want an AR10 or M24 (both .308). Where velocity drops below 2700fps, the M4’s effectiveness plummets (it will still mess up someone’s day, however); compact & light is great for quasi-urban situations, long & heavy works better for reach-out-and-touch-someone.

Upshot: use the right tool for the job. If you don’t, don’t blame the tool.


75 posted on 04/09/2008 7:47:34 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Travis McGee
I don’t feel undergunned with my M-4gery Homeland Defense Rifle.

I'm happier with my longer but lighter M16A1 version, whose longer gas tube allows more room for buildup of corrosion from foreign surplus ammo, old GI M193 ball, or my crappy reloads. But I have hedged my bets sufficiently to have a second upper available for it with a shorty 1:7 twist barrel, just in case I find some 62 grain M855/ NATO SS109 or 77 Grain MK 262 Mod 0 5.56MM lying around on the ground.

Of course, I could throw another lower together for the shorty barrel, and have another rifle around. Then I'd want to have a spare available for it, then I'd probably come up with another lower for it, then another spare, usw, usw.

81 posted on 04/09/2008 8:59:10 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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I don’t feel undergunned with my M-4gery Homeland Defense Rifle.

No particular reason you should, so long as you don't expect it to do ALL things well. But should anyone ever ask you what you see in it, you can refer them here.

It'll take about ten minutes of your time, but IMHO, it's well worth it.

158 posted on 04/15/2008 5:19:09 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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