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The Great McCain Story You've Probably Forgotten
Slate.com ^ | April 9th, 2008 | Michael Lewis

Posted on 04/09/2008 9:40:58 AM PDT by The_Republican

Mo reached out to me in 50 different ways," McCain recalled. "Right from the start, he'd say: 'I'm going to hold a press conference out in Phoenix. Why don't you join me?' All these journalists would show up to hear what Mo had to say. In the middle of it all, Mo would point to me and say, 'I'd like to hear John's views.' Well, hell, I didn't have any views. But I got up and learned and was introduced to the state."

Four years later, when McCain ran for and won Barry Goldwater's Senate seat, he said he felt his greatest debt of gratitude not to Goldwater—who had shunned him—but to Udall.

For the past few years, Udall has lain ill with Parkinson's disease in a veterans hospital in Northeast Washington. Every few weeks, McCain drives over to pay his respects. These days the trip is a ceremony, like going to church, only less pleasant. Udall is seldom conscious, and even then he shows no sign of recognition. McCain brings with him a stack of newspaper clips on Udall's favorite subjects: local politics in Arizona.

A nurse entered and seemed surprised to find anyone there, and it wasn't long before I found out why: Almost no one visits anymore.

In his time, which was not very long ago, Mo Udall was one of the most-sought-after men in the Democratic Party. Yet as he dies in a veterans hospital a few miles from the Capitol, he is visited regularly only by a single old political friend, John McCain.

"He's not going to wake up this time," McCain said.

It was one man saying to another, party political differences cut only so deep. Having made that step, they found much to agree upon and many useful ways to work together.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; arizona; friends; johnmccain; mccain; morrisudall; moudall; slate
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McCain is a good man!

1 posted on 04/09/2008 9:40:59 AM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

Their are lots of good men. McCain ought not be rewarded for his behavior in the Senate over the past ten years, with the Presidency of the United States. It will only beget more of the same kind of backstabbery from other “Republicans” that see his success, rightly figure that the partys’ base like abuse, and then behave accordingly.


2 posted on 04/09/2008 9:44:53 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://constitutionparty.com/join.php)
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To: The_Republican

And this qualifies McCain to be president? In what alternate reality?

McCain’s record is out there for anyone who really gives a damn what type of person lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

We are all men. We are not all qualified to be president, and that applies to John McCain as well.


3 posted on 04/09/2008 9:50:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: Grunthor

If I had to choose a good man with good character and wrong political philosophy (for sake of argument let’s make that assumption), or a deceptive liar with poor character and right political philososphy - me and most people would go with who they percieve to be a GOOD MAN!


4 posted on 04/09/2008 9:51:45 AM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: The_Republican

“If I had to choose a good man with good character and wrong political philosophy (for sake of argument let’s make that assumption), or a deceptive liar with poor character and right political philososphy - me and most people would go with who they percieve to be a GOOD MAN!”

And IMO, McBackstabber is the deceptive liar with poor character AND wrong political philosophy.


5 posted on 04/09/2008 9:53:20 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://constitutionparty.com/join.php)
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To: The_Republican

You’re entitled to your opinion. I was once one of his biggest supporters. I thought he was a great man. If you had asked me twenty years ago what I would do to elect him president, I’d have told you anything.

John McCain was a terrific congressman, and an outstanding senator, my senator, until towards the end of his second term. Then he developed “Barry Goldwater Syndrome.” Goldwater spent his last six years in office and last several years on earth fighting his own side and cuddling up to the media. You couldn’t tell where he stood anymore. He was undependable for the very movement he helped found. It was tragic.

The John McCain of 1986 is miles removed from the man he is today. He nearly left our party. He has betrayed us many times. His friends are Lindsay Graham and Ted Kennedy. Vote as you will, but he’s the liberals’ and media’s favorite Republican for a reason. My best.


6 posted on 04/09/2008 9:54:22 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Grunthor
It will only beget more of the same kind of backstabbery

(of course) You are welcome to that view, but I demur. McCain is who he is. No one is like him; he is one of a kind, not a precedent, not an antecedent, not a trend. He is the hand we've been dealt, let's play it as if we had aces-wired in the hole. He's the gift horse; let's not look it in the mouth (or up its other end); let's just ride it to the White House until the next go-round.

7 posted on 04/09/2008 9:55:03 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great...(until it happens to YOU).)
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To: DoughtyOne

“And this qualifies McCain to be president? In what alternate reality?”

Really, most here before would be stomping up and down about a republican being so attached to a democrat.


8 posted on 04/09/2008 9:56:24 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Migraine

I will not.

I am of the firm believe that we already lost this election upon McBackstabbers’ nomination. Now, no matter who wins in November, It’s going to mean unmittigated disaster for this nation.


9 posted on 04/09/2008 9:58:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://constitutionparty.com/join.php)
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To: DoughtyOne

More qualified and deserving than evil person like Hillary and marxist idealogue like Obama.

Not just more qualified, many million times more qualified.

ONLY qualified choice. Hillary should be in Jail and Obama should be a junior Professon in Law School working to get his tenure.


10 posted on 04/09/2008 9:58:43 AM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: Grunthor

You should have read to the end of the article...”we disagree in politics, but not in life”....what other Predidential canidate can say the same?

McCain will make a great President...not a “perfect”...President

There have been NO perfect Presidents.

Sounds to me like you have a personal ax to grind.....


11 posted on 04/09/2008 9:59:40 AM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: Migraine

Great post!

Just to remind everyone don’t forget the RON BROWN funeral. Aside from the fact that RB may have been murdered, Klinton did manage to attend his funeral.

He was yucking it up with his freinds. Laughing, telling jokes as he was walking away. He sees the Camera and IMMEDIATELY reaches for his eyes to wipe tears and pretends to start crying.

Limbauh played that clip 1000 times, when he had a late night show on Fox.

COMPARE THAT TO McCAIN.

Loyal to his mentor and freind. Only one!


12 posted on 04/09/2008 10:02:13 AM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: DoughtyOne
And this qualifies McCain to be president?

Nope. It just tells me that McCain is a man of great character, but I already knew that.

He's also a man who co-sponsored legislation that's the worst attack on the First Amendment I've seen in my lifetime. He's not going to secure our southern border, either. And given his coziness with the Democrats up to now, I have real concerns about how he'll govern with a Democratic House and Senate.

A lot of good and bad there. I'll be voting for him, though. The alternatives are a lot worse.
13 posted on 04/09/2008 10:02:31 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: HappyinAZ
McCain will make a great President...not a “perfect”...President

No, he will suck. He will suck less than Obama or the 'Beast, but he will still suck. I'll hold my nose vote for him, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The man is an unabashed RINO who take pleasure in screwing us at every opportunity.

14 posted on 04/09/2008 10:03:41 AM PDT by lesser_satan
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To: lesser_satan

Vote McCain - The Choice who Sucks Less!


15 posted on 04/09/2008 10:08:19 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

I think that will be my new tagline.


16 posted on 04/09/2008 10:14:04 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Vote McCain - The Choice who Sucks Less!)
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To: AuntB

We have spent the last nine years taking McCain to task for being the consumate ass as it related to conservatism. All of a sudden there is this massive group psychosis resembling amnesia. I certainly don’t get it.


17 posted on 04/09/2008 10:15:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: The_Republican

Yes. Very classy. Character counts.


18 posted on 04/09/2008 10:16:48 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Migraine
He's the gift horse; let's not look it in the mouth (or up its other end);

Tell that to the Trojans.

McCain might be good to his friends, but please remember that Mo Udall, like all McCain's really good friends, was a Democrat.

19 posted on 04/09/2008 10:17:41 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: The_Republican

Well said.


20 posted on 04/09/2008 10:17:57 AM PDT by karnage
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To: lesser_satan

You can just tell there is no enthusiasm for McCain. Hillary is bringing in $20 million a month and Obama $40 million. Meanwhile McCain is only bringing in about $10-15 million, less than 20% of the what Democrats are getting. Where is all the GOP money?


21 posted on 04/09/2008 10:18:17 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Migraine

Also well said.


22 posted on 04/09/2008 10:18:17 AM PDT by karnage
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To: DoughtyOne

It doesn’t. But our choice is now between a good man who is wrong at times or two bad people who are wrong almost all the time.


23 posted on 04/09/2008 10:18:20 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: The_Republican

John McCain disagrees with Hillary on one point, the WOT. He even agrees with her on Guantanamo, water boarding, gorebal worming, policies with Europe...

John is American cheese and Hillary is Swiss cheese. They’re both cheese. Neither of them will ever see a vote of mine.

If you think John has character, google the Keating Five and read up about the guy. See if you disagree with even his own stated views of what he did back then.


24 posted on 04/09/2008 10:18:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“A lot of good and bad there. I’ll be voting for him, though. The alternatives are a lot worse.”

Pretty well sums it up.


25 posted on 04/09/2008 10:19:47 AM PDT by karnage
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To: HappyinAZ

“McCain will make a great President”

He, just like the OTHER democrats in this race, would be an unrivaled disaster.


26 posted on 04/09/2008 10:20:29 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://constitutionparty.com/join.php)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Like the alternative of actually having a functioning conservative movement in the United States? Elect John and watch who pushes conservatism at the federal level to begin with, and at the state level within two to four years. Conservatism will have essentially no adherents at the federal level once John is elected.


27 posted on 04/09/2008 10:21:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: The_Republican

McCain is a media whore and a liberal.... there is very little that is “good” about him.


28 posted on 04/09/2008 10:23:00 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: The_Republican

When the name Mo Udall comes up in this household, it is understood as a dirty word, exchangeable with liberal, welfarist or Karl Marx.


29 posted on 04/09/2008 10:24:01 AM PDT by pallis
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To: The_Republican

No one has ever really talked about why we have the 3 pre-selected candidates we have.

It’s only because the Democrats can’t win the Presidency; therefore; Soros and others have offered up these jerks.

I say unnominate them and put someone like Michael Steele up as a candidate.

I don’t believe we should stand here and take this junk.


30 posted on 04/09/2008 10:24:15 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

It’s also because they want a one world global government.


31 posted on 04/09/2008 10:24:59 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: rwfromkansas
It doesn’t. But our choice is now between a good man who is wrong at times or two bad people who are wrong almost all the time.

Okay, then who advocates for conservatism when your guy gets elected? Tell me that. The RNC will be backing him full tilt. Congressional Republicans will move in his direction to expand power. Who does that leave to exhert power on our behalf?

John will screw us right into the ground with absolutely no resistance.

32 posted on 04/09/2008 10:25:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: The_Republican

So McCain’s principle mentor was a liberal Democrat. Interesting.


33 posted on 04/09/2008 10:27:44 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can't take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: freekitty
It’s also because they want a one world global government.

Couldn't agree more.

34 posted on 04/09/2008 10:29:13 AM PDT by Tiemieshooz (First round is on me)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
"...there is very little that is “good” about him."

I can think of two positives: he is neither Obama nor Clinton. ;-)

35 posted on 04/09/2008 10:31:05 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: DoughtyOne

“I certainly don’t get it.”

Neither do I. If McCain, with his voting record, were on the Dem ticket, he would rightly be excoriated. But he’s on the Republican ticket and he visits an old friend in the hospital, so he’s a “great man.” For some people the “R” or “D” is everything, and they glorify their team and villify the other team all out of proportion to reality. That is the essence of what is wrong with politics in this country, on both sides of the aisle. We laugh at the Obamaniacs, but we have some McCainiacs on this forum who are no less ridiculous in their fawning admiration for their guy.

McCain’s doing a nice thing here, but it hardly makes him great, and it does nothing to wipe out his decades-long history of disrespecting the Constitution.

I bet that Hillary and Obama have visited dying friends in the hospital, too. For that matter, I bet the vast majority of Freepers have, also. I guess we’re all great men and women.


36 posted on 04/09/2008 10:31:12 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet (He is risen!)
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To: DoughtyOne

I am worried as well...but I don’t see any other choice.


37 posted on 04/09/2008 10:31:53 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: The_Republican

No wife or kids?


38 posted on 04/09/2008 10:32:40 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: LadyNavyVet

In John’s case, some have stated he continued to visit for a long time regularly. I think that speaks well of McCain. The reality shock is that I’m positive that Democrats also visit people in the hospital for long periods of time. Does that make them a Republican? Does that make them Presidentially viable in Republican’s eyes? No.

The things that matter most, are John’s actions over the last twenty years. Regarding those actions, it is impossible to consider John McCain a conservative, or a good candidate to be president on just about any level.

You and I are on the same page.


39 posted on 04/09/2008 10:37:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: The_Republican

“McCain is a good man!”

Yes, in his own way he probably is. He is also undisputably a war hero. Unfortunately for all of us, Sen. McCain is also an incredibly rotten candidate for President. The fact that Sen. McCain has some redeeming characteristics does not mean that he is deserving of election to our nation’s highest office.

If you look at history, some of the worst villains you can find had their better natures. Benedict Arnold was a war hero....before he ultimately betrayed his country. Adolf Hitler was a decorated veteran during WWI, and was very fond of his dog.


40 posted on 04/09/2008 10:38:47 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: slowhandluke
McCain might be good to his friends, but please remember that Mo Udall, like all McCain's really good friends, was a Democrat.

What is the point that you are trying to make? He was a Democrat but he was OUR Democrat. When Sam Steiger, Arizona's colorful and iconic conservative congressman was in Congress his best friend there was a Representative from New York. A man by the name of Charles Rangel.

41 posted on 04/09/2008 10:38:54 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: lesser_satan
I may steal your tagline. It reflects my opinion, perfectly.
42 posted on 04/09/2008 10:39:22 AM PDT by Barb4Bush (If you co-sponsor a bill with Teddy Kennedy you have no business running for Pres as a Republican.)
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To: The_Republican

I don’t see how being friends with one of AZ’s most liberal and generally annoying politicians makes McCain worth anything. OK he kept visiting his friend up until the day he died, that’s sweat, but remember Mo’s record in Congress is one of overpower the government and taking rights from the people, and McCain continued one of Mo’s worst causes by adopting campaign finance reform (First Amendment destruction) as his own. I wouldn’t vote for Mo if he was alive and running and I’m not voting for McCain either.


43 posted on 04/09/2008 10:41:30 AM PDT by discostu (aliens ate my Buick)
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To: rwfromkansas
Choice one: Let a democrat win, and join together with your Congress critters to oppose them at every turn. The Senate could filibuster to block poor policy.

Choice two: Put John in. Turn the RNC into an even more liberal (read that democrat) body. Turn Congress into the direction of John's beliefs. Watch new candidates run as a McCain ‘conservative’. Watch the House and the Senate Republicans back almost everything McCain proposes. And then watch the Democrats support it as well.

I'm trying to warn folks who think a McCain loss is the worst possible eventuality. It is not. Under a Democrat administration Conservatism would grow and thrive as we all tried to block evil. Under McCain, that won't happen.

Elect McCain and conservatism will cease to be a movement. It will on exist as a theory after that.

44 posted on 04/09/2008 10:43:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: verity

please note that i did say there was very little that was “good” about him. not that there was nothing “good” about him. the fact that he is neither Obama or Clinton is an up check... but I am sick of voting for the “candidate” who will do the least damage.... so very very tired......


45 posted on 04/09/2008 10:47:18 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: DoughtyOne
re: Choice two: Put John in. Turn the RNC into an even more liberal (read that democrat) body. Turn Congress into the direction of John's beliefs. Watch new candidates run as a McCain ‘conservative’. Watch the House and the Senate Republicans back almost everything McCain proposes. And then watch the Democrats support it as well..... I'm trying to warn folks who think a McCain loss is the worst possible eventuality. It is not. Under a Democrat administration Conservatism would grow and thrive as we all tried to block evil. Under McCain, that won't happen. ....Elect McCain and conservatism will cease to be a movement. It will on exist as a theory after that. )))

What you said, bump.

If you consider that McVain has been the single most effective anti-conservative in my lifetime, I'd consider supporting McCain to be a sacrifice of conservatism on the altar of the GOP elites.

I don't think I'll be doing that this year. There is still a chance he could pick a fantastic VP, maybe make a legit appeal to conservatives...but I doubt that.

At this Kafka-esque moment, I'm even thinking that Hillary is the one of the three able to do the least damage to the country as president. The argument I'd make--she's a highly ineffective executive and wants the office but won't know what to do with the power. She's the "crook we know" and anything pernicious we'd have a good chance at stopping with an energized opposition.

McCain as president would just continue to find ways to sell out conservatives.

Also, both Hillary and Obama seem rather cowardly with confronted with the difficulty of setting timelines for an Iraq pullout.

46 posted on 04/09/2008 10:53:30 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: The_Republican
As someone who crossed party lines in 1980 to vote for Reagan and has been on the side of the GOP ever since, I must say that the McCain nomination is a "..I didn't leave the Republican party, they left me..." moment for me.
47 posted on 04/09/2008 11:02:14 AM PDT by lormand (What is the difference between a Reagan Democrat and a McCain Democrat?)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

“... but I am sick of voting for the “candidate” who will do the least damage.... so very very tired......”

So don’t. There will be conservative 3rd party candidates on the ballot.

I’m done voting for major party candidates based on the idea that one might be slightly less horrible than their opposition. We need a viable conservative third party (or two), and the only way third parties can move ahead is if some voters decide quit handicapping the horse race and vote for the candidate that best represents their views.

In the long run, choosing the lesser evil is still choosing evil.


48 posted on 04/09/2008 11:03:35 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Luke21

I took my picture with him in 96’ but am too embarrassed to show it on this forum, or pretty much anywhere. Maybe I can impress my liberal coworkers with it?


49 posted on 04/09/2008 11:04:02 AM PDT by lormand (What is the difference between a Reagan Democrat and a McCain Democrat?)
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To: The_Republican
In his time, which was not very long ago, Mo Udall was one of the most-sought-after men in the Democratic Party. Yet as he dies in a veterans hospital a few miles from the Capitol, he is visited regularly only by a single old political friend, John McCain.

Where's Mo's son Mark, the Colarado Congressman?

50 posted on 04/09/2008 11:08:15 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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