Posted on 04/09/2008 12:59:40 PM PDT by Jay777
I think its a wise decision, and who can blame them after such a horrifying situation? Their daughter was beaten by 6 other teenage girls just to put the video of it on youtube. Meanwhile, one lawyer is seeking a gag order on the case.
See video of father's decision to homeschool here.
(Excerpt) Read more at stoptheaclu.com ...
Too bad for the girl that this decision wasn’t made until after this trajedy.
This beatdown must be what they’re referring to when they ask homeschoolers “but what about socialization?”
This beatdown must be what they’re referring to when they ask homeschoolers “but what about socialization?”
Being near Detroit and watching the spectacle of complete and utter failure that is the Detroit Public School System, I wonder why any right thinking parent, concerned about the future of their children, would ever let them attend that dysfunction. Oh wait . . . . Never mind.
I think you are on to something here....when I was in school there were bullies and “clicks” that left many kids outcasts........whenever I hear the term “socialization” I wonder what the heck they mean by that.....the teachers never interfered until things were out of hand....so socialization means tossing a kid into the mix and letting them sink or swim? -or in this case get beat up. right.
do you mean ‘cliques’?
I have a smartassed answer at the ready for the “socialization” question, depending on who’s asking.
Oh, we’ve got socialization covered!
For the girls, we hire a neighborhood “alpha” girl and some “backup singers” to ridicule them on their clothes, hair, shoes, lack of makeup, and for being a virgin at 13.
For the boys, I just take them into the restroom, and alternately beat them up, taking their allowance, or offer them drugs.
Yep, got the public school socialization ALL covered.
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Damn! You are an excellent shot! Kill ‘em all with just one bullet!
It’s too bad people are going to generalize this incident to use as a denigration against public education. These girls didn’t engage in this behavior because they went to a public school. The victim was reported to have posted something about these 6 girls on her myspace page (internet connection), and the 6 wanted to post the beating on youtube (gee, another internet connection). School had nothing to do with this incident.
Next week, we're going to lock up my oldest and let the other three beat him up, maybe then we'll finally be accepted as a legitimate form of education by the government school supporters. In fact, while we're at it, we're going to teach them to be rude, disrespectful of authority, entitled, lazy, inattentive, victimized, perhaps even see if my oldest girl can lose her virginity to some local boy and then to top it off, have an abortion. Yeah, that'll make sure they're good and “socialized” just like our local schools.
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So in 2008 posting (writing words) on a webpage about someone is justification for a vicious beating? The sad part in all of this is that these children live in unsupervised environments where they are free to beat someone...where are the parents? Well they won’t have to worry about their houses the victim will own the house she was beaten in in due course, hope she spends the money wisely...
Maybe this incident didn’t happen because of the crap that is rampant in public schools today, but it sure wouldn’t have happened if the girl had been homeschooled and her parents had excercised more control over her friends and her computer access.
This may be seen by modern culture as being “too controlling” of kids, but I see it as responsible, caring parenting.
Watch the video. One of the mothers of the attackers is blaming the victim for the assault. It's no surprise her daughter turned into a sociopath. I suppose she'll pass those values onto her kids, too.
Now, when it comes to indoctrination of the youth in multiculturalism, diversity, socialism, global warming, etc. MOST public schools are guilty as charged.
When idiots ask me that question, I tell them that if I ever think my boy needs the public school socialization experience, some other homeschooling dads and I will just start getting together once a week, beating him up and stealing his lunch money.
Shuts 'em up every time.
See post #6
Sadly, I have to hire these young grads, college included and with the exception of the one's with a military background, most have serious attitude problems and cause the most problems. In my company, we're almost at the point of only hiring over 40 somethings, degree notwithstanding. And I live in one of the supposed “affluent” areas where the schools are the “best”.
We'll stick with homeschooling.
We have another homeschool conference coming up in a couple of weeks.
Let me describe what you’re referring to in my own experience.
Last year, we attended a two day homeschool conference. In attendance, besides the parents, were a host of student volunteers helping out. Of course they were all polite, opened doors for you, answered questions clearly, in proper English, with a tone of deference and respect.
After the second day, we decided to take our little girl to a Rainforest Cafe restaurant as a reward for being good with Grammy for two days. The restaurant is in a local mall. You know the rest...
CULTURE SHOCK. It was like dropping into some alien culture.
I know other bullied kids her age who were removed from school and started homeschooling. They’re much happier now, and it has worked well for them.
But, I hope the parents will look into some form of self-defense training for their daughter, too. She never kicked or struck back in defense through that entire video.
Not to be wise-guy, but there are few in public schools who are not "outcasts." Only a select few are not.
What an excellent answer to that stupid question!!! Thanks!
My wife and I, with great financial sacrifice have never regretted homeschooling our 4 children. They've been safe there whole lives and this and many many other incidents that are reported annually + the local mall confirm our decision.
I like to say, "What about it?" and let them try to frame some sort of coherent discussion of the subject. Few people bother.
Haha, I got plenty of that kind of socialisation when I was homeschooled - let’s just say that my brother and sister and I used to frequently resort to violence to solve our problems =) Fortunately, we’ve grown out of that, but I wound up getting my share of sprained joints and concussions due to my accident-prone nature (not that I do stupid things regularly, just that I manage to have incredibly improbable freak accidents, like falling into a stream while snowboarding).
I think it is GREAT that they ask you...and that you can educate them...
Hopefully, THEY WILL LISTEN...but, if not, at least they have heard from ONE rational source...
My children are not home schooled...but they have great manners...and are socialized just fine (so far...but we are really involved)...
Most of the home schoolers that we know are super good influences who also have impeccable manners...
Not all, of course, since this is the Seattle area and MANY people home school because they consider the public schools to be TOO conservative and closed minded!
LOL!
oops...I meant to PING you to #28 also :-)
sorry!
Or their own local school officials trying to explain why it doesn’t matter that their academic results are steadily declining.
On the topic of the article, though, I’d like to point out that the family did have the choice of sending their daughter to a private school. “No choice” statement are a pet peeve of mine!
That’s good, too...
That would probably be a good alternate to my “smartass option” in post 6.
“What exactly do you mean by ‘socialization’?”
Do those folks take their kids down to the Lenin statue for “worship services”?
Children can turn out well no matter how they’re educated. I know plenty of very nice children at church and in Scouts who go to public schools.
I save my smartass answers for, “Don’t you know what causes that?”
I feel certain that, if these kids had all been home-schooled, this would not have happened.
Oh..I’m SURE they do!
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They also hate that the TEN COMMANDMENTS will be staying PUT at one of our local court houses (Supreme Court Decision I think)...and pray to the GLOBAL WARMING GODS!!!
I have a 5 year old who isn’t in school yet..so we run into them ALL THE TIME!
I’m a pretty harsh school critic in many ways...so we get started having conversations that start out one way..and end up quite another...
I use words like “freedom of expression”...and “governmental control”...and they of course GRAB ONTO these phrases..
I then throw in CHRISTMAS and REWRITING HISTORY..and they usually look VERY confused...
Priceless...
I understand how the parents must feel. However, DON’T BLAME SOCIETY. Stop blaming everyone else. We know kids who use the internet including our neieces and nephews. They’re not putting this kind of trash out there. Why would you trash people on the internet anyway? Also, the girls had no right to beat up on this defenseless girl as they did. They were all ganging up on her. Seeing them punch her in the eye was most disturbing. The people who are to blame here are the girls themselves. First of all the victim should not have put garbage like that on the net and second the girls had no right to lay their hands on her. THEY are to blame. Those girls and those boys. Leave SOCIETY out of it. It’s about time people took responsibility for their own actions and dealt with them.
We might not have much materially, but we have 4 precious children (2 in competitive colleges and 2 one their way) who were safe while they we're growing up and I don't just mean just physically. It's a matter of priorities in my view and keeping our children safe was higher than a boat, big-screen TV, 3000 sq.ft. home, big vacations, etc. It's all about choices.
“Children can turn out well no matter how they’re educated. I know plenty of very nice children at church and in Scouts who go to public schools.”
I know what you mean!..and thank you...it’s extremely important to me!
The home schoolers that I am talking about (who are wacko)..would NEVER be caught DEAD at a Scout Meeting...(it’s anti-gay you know)...and as far as Sunday School...well, I don’t think too many are enrolled...in any church that worships GOD!!!
(a particular God, that is...now...many Gods? Maybe...magic rocks??? Animals??? Totems??? FOR SURE!)
A couple of things I’m teaching mine, starting VERY young.
Our family doesn’t do things the way that most families do. Why? Because we try to do what we think pleases God instead of conforming to the world’s values.
Second, never trust someone that says “well, that may be true for you, but it might not be for someone else” - ie, someone with a “relative truth” view of the world. They’re likely to NOT tell you the truth, because they don’t believe there is such a thing as truth. This includes family members.
I did not comment on their behavior being justified, just that the fact they attended a public school had little bearing on their behavior. I find their behavior to be abhorrant, and their parents, hopefully, will be held financially responsible for their part.
So, there are no incidents anywhere in the U.S. where someone was brutally attacked by a group of people who were not associated with a public school? I find this hard to believe.
You are so right.
I am having to avoid a lot of news threads because of the self-righteous homeschool zealots.
Part of my comment indicates my concern for my own children. We taught them to be nice, polite, respectful, and now they’re too nice. We’re looking into self-defense training for them. My husband studied martial arts, and many homeschoolers we know do, too.
There’s some bullying everywhere. We’ve encountered some bullying in homeschool groups and cooperatives. Not to this extent, because the parents are right there. I noticed a few of the bullies are the same kids studying martial arts, but that’s not the type of martial arts training we’re looking into for our sons.
There is much in the realm of public education that needs to be changed. Zero tolerance for a behavior by a six year old and zero enforcement of behavior by high school students is one of those areas in need of change.
We run into that kind of flaky liberals at Folk Society events sometimes. Being ultra-conservative gets us some funny looks :-).
There’s a lot to be said that is positive for parents who have the ability to really homeschool their children - problem is, there are also people who have no business raising children who are homeschooling them to the detriment of our communities. There’s much to be said that is negative about public schools, but throwing the baby out with the bath water has never been a realistic solution.
I won’t allow any one to dictate to me what comments I can or cannot make on any thread on FR. If someone demonstrates to me that I’m in the wrong, I will admit it. But, I will advocate for my personal beliefs regardless of whether I offend someone else.
To be sure, there are bullies even in the home school movement, but like you said, they rarely if ever escalate to what was observed on this video. And what is on this video is not all that uncommon on YouTube. We belong to an association of a few hundred home school families and have never had an incident approaching this, not once in 17 years of homeschooling.
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