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Climate change confirmed but global warming is cancelled
National Business Review ^ | 4/7/2008 | Owen McShane

Posted on 04/09/2008 6:45:27 PM PDT by Delacon

Unlike so many of the hapless victims on TVOne's daily Crimewatch (also known as One Network News) I have recently been lucky enough to be in two right places at the right time.

In December last year, at the UN conference in Bali, I heard Viscount Monckton present a paper prepared by himself, the Australian Dr David Evans and our own Dr Vincent Gray (who were at Bali, too) that showed while the IPCC models predict that greenhouse gases would produce an extensive "hot spot" in the upper troposphere over the tropics, the satellite measurements show no such hotspots have appeared.

Monckton and Evans found a large part of this discrepancy is the result of some basic errors in the IPCC's assessment of the Stefan-Boltzmann equation. When they applied their revised factor to the effect of greenhouse gases, the temperature rise was about a third of that predicted by the IPCC.

So by late last year we not only knew IPCC forecasts of atmospheric global warming were wrong; we were beginning to understand why they are wrong.

The key issue in this debate is whether anthropogenic greenhouse gases or natural solar activities are the prime drivers of climate change. A closely related argument is whether the climate is highly sensitive to carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere.

Doubtful predictions

Put together, these uncertainties raise doubts as to whether the IPCC models can accurately forecast the climate over the long term. If they cannot, then we have to wonder how much damage we should risk doing to the world's economies in attempts to manage the possibly adverse effects of these "predictions."

The findings that the predicted "tropical hot spots" do not exist are important because the IPCC models assume these hot spots will be formed by increased evaporation from warmer oceans leading to the accumulations of higher concentrations of water vapour in the upper atmosphere, and thereby generating a positive feedback reinforcing the small amount of warming that can be caused by CO2 alone.

Atmospheric scientists generally agree that as carbon dioxide levels increase there is a law of "diminishing returns" - or more properly "diminishing effects" - and that ongoing increases in CO2 concentration do not generate proportional increases in temperature. The common analogy is painting over window glass. The first layers of paint cut out lots of light but subsequent layers have diminishing impact.

So, you might be asking, why the panic? Why does Al Gore talk about temperatures spiraling out of control, causing mass extinctions and catastrophic rises in sea-level, and all his other disastrous outcomes when there is no evidence to support it?

The alarmists argue that increased CO2 leads to more water vapour - the main greenhouse gas - and this provides positive feedback and hence makes the overall climate highly sensitive to small increases in the concentration of CO2.

Consequently, the IPCC argues that while carbon dioxide may well "run out of puff" the consequent evaporation of water vapour provides the positive feedback loop that will make anthropogenic global warming reach dangerous levels.

This assumption that water vapour provides positive feedback lies behind the famous "tipping point," which nourishes Al Gore's dreams of destruction, and indeed all those calls for action now - "before it is too late!" But no climate models predict such a tipping point.

However, while the absence of hot spots has refuted one important aspect of the IPCC models we lack a mechanism that fully explains these supposed outcomes. Hence the IPCC, and its supporters, have been able to ignore this "refutation."

So by the end of last year, we were in a similar situation to the 19th century astronomers, who had figured out that the sun could not be "burning" its fuel - or it would have turned to ashes long ago - but could not explain where the energy was coming from. Then along came Einstein and E=mc2.

Hard to explain

Similarly, the climate sceptics have had to explain why the hotspots are not where they should be - not just challenge the theory with their observations.

This is why I felt so lucky to be in the right place at the right time when I heard Roy Spencer speak at the New York conference on climate change in March. At first I thought this was just another paper setting out observations against the forecasts, further confirming Evans' earlier work.

But as the argument unfolded I realised Spencer was drawing on observations and measurements from the new Aqua satellites to explain the mechanism behind this anomaly between model forecasts and observation. You may have heard that the IPCC models cannot predict clouds and rain with any accuracy. Their models assume water vapour goes up to the troposphere and hangs around to cook us all in a greenhouse future.

However, there is a mechanism at work that "washes out" the water vapour and returns it to the oceans along with the extra CO2 and thus turns the added water vapour into a NEGATIVE feedback mechanism.

The newly discovered mechanism is a combination of clouds and rain (Spencer's mechanism adds to the mechanism earlier identified by Professor Richard Lindzen called the Iris effect).

The IPCC models assumed water vapour formed clouds at high altitudes that lead to further warming. The Aqua satellite observations and Spencer's analysis show water vapour actually forms clouds at low altitudes that lead to cooling.

Furthermore, Spencer shows the extra rain that falls from these clouds cools the underlying oceans, providing a second negative feedback to negate the CO2 warming.

Alarmists' quandary

This has struck the alarmists like a thunderbolt, especially as the lead author of the IPCC chapter on feedback has written to Spencer agreeing that he is right!

There goes the alarmist neighbourhood!

The climate is not highly sensitive to CO2 warming because water vapour is a damper against the warming effect of CO2.

That is why history is full of Ice Ages - where other effects, such as increased reflection from the ice cover, do provide positive feedback - while we do not hear about Heat Ages. The Medieval Warm Period, for example, is known for being benignly warm - not dangerously hot.

We live on a benign planet - except when it occasionally gets damned cold.

While I have done my best to simplify these developments they remain highly technical and many people distrust their own ability to assess competing scientific claims. However, in this case the tipping point theories are based on models that do not include the effects of rain and clouds.

The new Nasa Aqua satellite is the first to measure the effects of clouds and rainfall. Spencer's interpretation of the new data means all previous models and forecasts are obsolete. Would anyone trust long-term forecasts of farm production that were hopeless at forecasting rainfall?

The implications of these breakthroughs in measurement and understanding are dramatic to say the least. The responses will be fun to watch.

 Alarmists, 'experts' face a new inconvenient truth

Christopher Pearson, of The Australian newspaper (March 22), has written up a remarkable ABC television interview with Dr Jennifer Marohasy, a senior fellow of the Institute of Public Affairs, a Melbourne-based think tank.

Dr Marohasy says the impact of the Aqua satellite and Spencer's interpretation of the data and prompts the reporter to conclude with some pungent observations of his own:

"If Marohasy is anywhere near right about the impending collapse of the global warming paradigm, life will suddenly become a whole lot more interesting.

"A great many founts of authority, from the Royal Society to the UN, most heads of government along with countless captains of industry, learned professors, commentators and journalists will be profoundly embarrassed. Let us hope it is a prolonged and chastening experience.

"With catastrophe off the agenda, for most people the fog of millennial gloom will lift, at least until attention turns to the prospect of the next ice age. Among the better educated, the sceptical cast of mind that is the basis of empiricism will once again be back in fashion. The delusion that by recycling and catching public transport we can help save the planet will quickly come to be seen for the childish nonsense it was all along.


RAIN CHECK: Spencer's analyses based on new satellite data pour cold rain on warming theory

"The poorest Indians and Chinese will be left in peace to work their way toward prosperity, without being badgered about the size of their carbon-footprint, a concept that for most of us will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre, clean forgotten in six months.

"The scores of town planners in Australia building empires out of regulating what can and can't be built on low-lying shorelines will have to come to terms with the fact inundation no longer impends and find something more plausible to do. The same is true of the bureaucrats planning to accommodate 'climate refugees."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: alarmists; algore; cizik; climatechange; globalwarming; greenhouse; houghton; liarsforjesus
Been hearing more and more about this "Iris Effect". Money quote:

"The climate is not highly sensitive to CO2 warming because water vapour is a damper against the warming effect of CO2.

That is why history is full of Ice Ages - where other effects, such as increased reflection from the ice cover, do provide positive feedback - while we do not hear about Heat Ages. The Medieval Warm Period, for example, is known for being benignly warm - not dangerously hot."

1 posted on 04/09/2008 6:45:29 PM PDT by Delacon
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To: Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; ...

ping


2 posted on 04/09/2008 6:46:34 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


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3 posted on 04/09/2008 6:50:25 PM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: Delacon

Somebody please tell these guys:

The attorneys general of 17 U.S. states recently filed a lawsuit against the Environmental Protection Agency over their alleged inaction on supposed “global warming.”

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=75023


4 posted on 04/09/2008 6:51:31 PM PDT by Need4Truth
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To: Delacon

But this is no longer science, it is a religion.


5 posted on 04/09/2008 6:53:39 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Delacon

‘all over in 6 mos’ and ‘profoundly embarrassing for pols?’

Optimistic he is!


6 posted on 04/09/2008 6:55:31 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

“Optimistic he is!”

LOL. Hey, he’s an Aussie. Gotta love em.


7 posted on 04/09/2008 6:57:37 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

Absolutely tremendous article.

I will have to memorize this whole thing, and look into the details of the changed evaluation of the Stefan-Boltzmann equation. I know the change has to do with the IPCC using the wrong boundary conditions, but now that this has been out in the public for some time and withstood some scrutiny, I am gaining confidence it is worthwhile to study.


8 posted on 04/09/2008 7:07:06 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Delacon
Why does Al Gore talk about temperatures spiraling out of control, causing mass extinctions and catastrophic rises in sea-level, and all his other disastrous outcomes when there is no evidence to support it? Photobucket

"Because I'm super important, I can say anything I want and the ignorant masses will listen to me."

9 posted on 04/09/2008 7:09:50 PM PDT by teacherwoes (vote for the greatest evil--Cthulu/Hillary '08)
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To: Delacon; IrishCatholic



Beam me to Planet Gore !

10 posted on 04/09/2008 7:10:24 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: redgolum

YEP - every fifteen hundred years you can just count on heating and cooling cycles like it has been for the millenium.


11 posted on 04/09/2008 7:13:35 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: Delacon

you don’t think mere facts are going to deter these lunatics from destroying economies and wrecking havoc on mankind do you? There is just too much money to be made and people like Gore, the MSN, hollywood, and all the politicians, (repub & dem) feel the need to lead the way.


12 posted on 04/09/2008 7:18:15 PM PDT by my right
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To: AFPhys

“This has struck the alarmists like a thunderbolt, especially as the lead author of the IPCC chapter on feedback has written to Spencer agreeing that he is right!”

:)


13 posted on 04/09/2008 7:20:27 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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bttt


14 posted on 04/09/2008 7:22:30 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Proud member of "Operation Chaos" having the T-shirt , ball cap and bumpersticker to prove it.)
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To: Delacon
He said:

"...childish nonsense...."

eh, eh, eh

15 posted on 04/09/2008 7:29:57 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Delacon
"Hey, he’s an Aussie. Gotta love em."

I say, let's put some more shrimp on the barbie.

16 posted on 04/09/2008 7:31:40 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: redgolum

Religious politics without God. Socialism, pure and simple.


17 posted on 04/09/2008 7:46:19 PM PDT by enduserindy ("The MSM isn’t stupid, it’s just really good at looking surprised." - me, just now.)
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To: Delacon

I’ve asked this question before and I will ask it again:

Would not higher levels of CO2 enhance plant growth which in turn would consume more CO2? Sort of like another negative feedback. Probably a silly question but would like to get some positive feedback.


18 posted on 04/09/2008 7:56:34 PM PDT by my right
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To: Delacon
The IPCC models assumed water vapour formed clouds at high altitudes that lead to further warming.



It doesn't?......ooooooh......never mind!

19 posted on 04/09/2008 7:59:11 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Delacon
This article with more comments posted here.
20 posted on 04/09/2008 8:06:26 PM PDT by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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To: Delacon
The United Nations o the rescue


21 posted on 04/09/2008 8:50:09 PM PDT by OeOeO (maybe I didn't come over on the Mayflower, but I got here as soon as I could" Anton Cermak)
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To: SirKit

Climate ping!


22 posted on 04/09/2008 8:55:47 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: cogitator
Another.
23 posted on 04/09/2008 9:02:43 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Delacon
However, there is a mechanism at work that "washes out" the water vapour and returns it to the oceans along with the extra CO2 and thus turns the added water vapour into a NEGATIVE feedback mechanism.

The troposphere goes up approximately 7 - 10 miles or so, depending on the latitude and time of year.

That is roughly 35,000 to 50,000 feet.

And these Nimrods forgot the possibility of RAIN?? /sarc>

Cheers!

24 posted on 04/09/2008 9:24:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Delacon

Cooling is much more serious for the obvious reasons like failure of seeds to germinate but what if cooling lasts long enough to cause the polar ice cap to build up until this old planet becomes top heavy and starts wobbling in its orbit, even flipping over? Talk about something we can’t control.

At least when these fools kept saying sea levels would rise there would have been a transition period. And so what? Venice has been flooded for centuries.


25 posted on 04/09/2008 9:31:57 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: AFPhys
Stefan-Boltzmann is the one with the T4 dependence of radiated energy for blackbodies, right?

Cheers!

26 posted on 04/09/2008 9:37:56 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Another.

Another what?

27 posted on 04/09/2008 9:38:51 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: my right
my right said: "Would not higher levels of CO2 enhance plant growth which in turn would consume more CO2?"

Perhaps. But the level of CO2 is rising. This indicates that the response of plants to higher levels of CO2 is not adequate to keep the CO2 concentration within a "narrow" range, depending, of course, on how one defines "narrow".

One observation that can be made is that CO2 levels have been much higher in the past than they are now. Similar statements can be made concerning global temperature.

I have yet to read an explanation for how ANY ice age has occurred, meaning that there is much left unexplained regarding earth's climate.

Those who predicted an imminent ice age in the 1970s were shown to be fools. I predict the same for those who follow the Gore-ical. My worry has always been that it would take too long to reveal their foolishness and that great damage would be done to human progress as a result. I am becoming more optimistic that finally, ... the end is near.

28 posted on 04/09/2008 10:14:57 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: William Tell; my right
my right said: "Would not higher levels of CO2 enhance plant growth which in turn would consume more CO2?" Perhaps. But the level of CO2 is rising. This indicates that the response of plants to higher levels of CO2 is not adequate to keep the CO2 concentration within a "narrow" range, depending, of course, on how one defines "narrow".

Correct. It turns out that we put out 7 Gigatonnes of CO2 (I think) and more than half is 'absorbed' by the biosphere and oceans. The natural carbon cycle is as big as 100 Gigatonnes a year. Still, it is not *all* absorbed and so incrementally we are adding about 1.5 ppm of CO2 per year to the atmosphere.

29 posted on 04/09/2008 10:31:29 PM PDT by WOSG (Solve all the world's problems .... Just build more nukes already.)
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To: Delacon

PING for important article on water vapor as a not-so-positive feedback on AGW.


30 posted on 04/09/2008 10:33:52 PM PDT by WOSG (Solve all the world's problems .... Just build more nukes already.)
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To: WOSG
WOSG said: "Still, it is not *all* absorbed and so incrementally we are adding about 1.5 ppm of CO2 per year to the atmosphere. "

I think that I read that our oceans contain 50 times the CO2 that is contained in the atmosphere.

We know that if we warm a carbonated beverage, some of the CO2 dissolved in it will be released. The same is no doubt true of the oceans. If the globe warms, CO2 will be released from the warming oceans. Similarly, if the oceans cool, one would expect that the oceans would be able to dissolve more CO2 from the atmosphere.

I believe that some have suggested this as an explanation for why CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere LAG global temperature changes. A quick net search reveals the following paper: http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

I believe that the paper makes the case that temperature changes in the oceans are sufficient to explain CO2 levels. It is not necessary to suggest that man's contribution is significant nor is it necessary to suggest that CO2 concentrations are capable of creating run-away global warming.

31 posted on 04/09/2008 11:15:49 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: William Tell

Yes, from what I’ve read the warming and cooling cycles of the oceans are what are responsible for rising and falling levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and why CO2 levels lag temperatures, not lead. Which gets us back to cyclical earth orbit changes and the sun actually driving all of this.


32 posted on 04/10/2008 1:59:16 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

They have recently added another factor in all of it that makes a huge amount of sense.

Alot of the biology of the mid-oceanic regions (or , reather, the somewhat lack of biology) is because way out there in the middle there is not much iron.

Volcanism can eject hundreds of millions of tons of minerals into the sky, and if it falls in the mid oceans, it makes the plankton just go bananas. And when they go crazy, they suck HUGE amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere.

Of course, volcanism also adds CO2 to the air, so maybe it’s a wash.


33 posted on 04/10/2008 2:07:00 AM PDT by djf
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To: grey_whiskers
And these Nimrods forgot the possibility of RAIN??

I know you were being sarcastic and that the models do have rain in them. But the main problem as far as I can tell is that the coarse resolution of the models precludes accurate weather modeling. It's not necessary to predict weather since the initial conditions don't matter, but they need to model effects like small scale convection accurately. Basically, concentrated convection causes cooling because it leaves large areas clear to radiate heat to space.

34 posted on 04/10/2008 3:15:27 AM PDT by palmer
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To: djf
Volcanism can eject hundreds of millions of tons of minerals into the sky, and if it falls in the mid oceans, it makes the plankton just go bananas. And when they go crazy, they suck HUGE amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere.

Just imagine what would happen if they got the recipe for the Krabby Patty.

35 posted on 04/10/2008 6:10:54 AM PDT by thulldud (Insanity: Electing John McCain again and expecting a different result.)
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To: William Tell
Those who predicted an imminent ice age in the 1970s were shown to be fools.
 
Not so fast:
 
""None of us expected uninterrupted continuation of the trend," he states. Moreover, thanks to new evidence that Dr. Kukla only recently published, he now knows that global warming always precedes an ice age. That makes the current period of global warming a mere blip that constitutes additional indication of the ice age to come."
 
Read on...Forget warming - beware the new ice age - Part XXVII
National Post ^ | June 15, 2007 | Lawrence Solomon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1994123/posts

36 posted on 04/10/2008 6:33:11 AM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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To: William Tell
I have yet to read an explanation for how ANY ice age has occurred, meaning that there is much left unexplained regarding earth's climate.

Point #5 in my profile summarizes the current scientific understanding of glacial/interglacial transitions. Reading the references will provide a fairly full picture of what is known and where the uncertainties still are.

37 posted on 04/10/2008 6:34:34 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: djf
And when they go crazy, they suck HUGE amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere.

There have been controlled experiments to investigate the process, too. What they discovered is that most of the CO2 removed from the atmosphere temporarily by this process gets right back into the atmosphere. What happens: phytoplankton thrive with added iron, then they die. When they die, oceanic bacteria eat up the carbon in the phytoplankton, a process called "respiration" (same thing happens in our bodies). Net result: CO2. In the ocean, surface water pCO2 concentrations rise, and in warm waters, this CO2 gets released right back to the atmosphere.

The experiments determined that only about 5-10% of the CO2 removed by the phytoplankton is actually removed to the deep ocean. The main way that happens is that zooplankton eat the phytoplankton, and excrete rapidly sinking fecal pellets that do exit the surface zone.

38 posted on 04/10/2008 6:40:54 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Delacon
Delacon said: "Not so fast:"

Well, ... at the very least one of the groups must look foolish. We can't suffer catastrophic global warming and catastrophic global cooling at the same time; unless we let AlGore redefine some of the terms.

39 posted on 04/10/2008 10:02:24 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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