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My Green Gasoline
RedState.com ^ | April 9, 2008 | Josh Painter

Posted on 04/09/2008 8:11:54 PM PDT by Josh Painter

News item:

ScienceDaily (Apr. 8, 2008) — Researchers have made a breakthrough in the development of "green gasoline," a liquid identical to standard gasoline yet created from sustainable biomass sources like switchgrass and poplar trees...

While it may be five to 10 years before green gasoline arrives at the pump or finds its way into a fighter jet, these breakthroughs have bypassed significant hurdles to bringing green gasoline biofuels to market...

"Green gasoline is an attractive alternative to bioethanol since it can be used in existing engines and does not incur the 30 percent gas mileage penalty of ethanol-based flex fuel," said John Regalbuto, who directs the Catalysis and Biocatalysis Program at NSF and supported this research.

"In theory it requires much less energy to make than ethanol, giving it a smaller carbon footprint and making it cheaper to produce," Regalbuto said. "Making it from cellulose sources such as switchgrass or poplar trees grown as energy crops, or forest or agricultural residues such as wood chips or corn stover, solves the lifecycle greenhouse gas problem that has recently surfaced with corn ethanol and soy biodiesel."

Beyond academic laboratories, both small businesses and Fortune 500 petroleum refiners are pursuing green gasoline. Companies are designing ways to hybridize their existing refineries to enable petroleum products including fuels, textiles, and plastics to be made from either crude oil or biomass and the military community has shown strong interest in making jet fuel and diesel from the same sources...

What's that I hear? Why, it's the music track from the Lemon Pipers' 1968 hit, "My Green Tambourine." I've altered the lyrics slightly...

I don't need no oil from Saudi sheikhs Or from those crazy Persian freaks It's the coolest thing you've ever seen Watch me while I burn... my green gasoline

Take this message to the Mid East, dude And tell Chavez what to do with all his crude Hear them cryin' while your hear my engine sing And watch me while I burn... my green gasoline

Corn was made to eat and not to burn When will the politicians ever learn Don't need no ethanol in my machine Watch me while I burn... my green gasoline

Song parodies are lots of fun, but energy is a serious issue. What do we do while we wait five to ten years for green gasoline to make the long journey from biomass to the pumps in front of the local convenience store?

The smart thing would be to ramp up our domestic exploration, production and refining capacity so we would have plenty of American oil to help us make the transition to biomass gas and other alternative fuel technologies. We should start tapping the undrilled oil fields in Alaska's ANWAR and off the Gulf Coast. There's billions of barrels in the Jack Field some 270 miles south of New Orleans and billions more in the Cuban Basin 50 miles off of Florida's coast. The Chinese are going after that Eastern Gulf oil, but the Democrats, under the thumb of the environmental lobby, would have us idly stand by and watch the Chinese and Cubans exploit those fields while we do nothing.

With oil going for $100 or more a barrel, suddenly extracting crude from shale and tar sands has become economically feasible, and we are sitting on such oil deposits in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. Billions of barrels are believed to be just waiting to be extracted from the Baaken Oil Formation which covers parts of North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana. Just how many billions will be the subject of an eagerly-awaited report from the U.S. Geological Survey. Horizonal drilling technology is allowing several oil companies to begin tapping crude oil and gas underneath North Dakota's Lake Sakakawea.

With billions of barrels of crude oil and trillions of cubic feet of clean-burning natural gas under our feet, it is pure stupidity not to rebuild a strong domestic oil and gas industry in the United States. Making ourselves more self-reliant on energy is more than simply an economic issue - it is a security matter as well. If we have the foresight to exploit our own plentiful energy resources, the U.S. can avoid any potential disruptions in our energy supply due to political factors abroad. This ain't rocket science. It's just common sense.

-JP


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: biomass; crude; energy; oil

1 posted on 04/09/2008 8:11:55 PM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Josh Painter

Only 10 years of 5 dollar gas prices to get there? W00H00!


2 posted on 04/09/2008 8:15:35 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Only 10 years of 5 dollar gas prices to get there? W00H00!

In the meantime, can we drill for oil in ANWR and on the outer continental shelf?

3 posted on 04/09/2008 8:22:17 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: mylife

Not if we ramp up our domestic oil industry. Increasing our own exploration, production and refining might not lower the pump price because of increasing demand. But it would allow us to keep the price from skyrocketing. $3 gas at pump is sustainable.


4 posted on 04/09/2008 8:23:12 PM PDT by Josh Painter (First, the GOP became a big tent. As a result, it became Democrat Lite.)
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To: Josh Painter
Not if we ramp up our domestic oil industry

You all know that will never happen. It makes to much sense.

5 posted on 04/09/2008 8:27:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Josh Painter

I just don’t think that intensive gardening is going to meet our energy needs while human beings remain hopelessly dependent upon food.


6 posted on 04/09/2008 8:27:42 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Josh Painter

Here’s a faster idea:

Fischer-Tropsch.

We’re the Saudi Arabia of coal. Why aren’t we using it? Answer: We’re too stupid to pick up the technology used by the dim-bulb Nazi’s 60 years ago.

We can either start converting our coal to diesel, or we can start shipping our coal to China. The ChiCom’s are quickly tipping over from being exporters of coal to importers of coal.

The fastest thing we can drill for is natural gas, and in the Rocky Mountain west.


7 posted on 04/09/2008 8:42:25 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Rudder

There is supposed to be water shortage areas in the coming years. How will we be able to grow millions of tons of grass and trees just to convert it to energy? Why divert such scarce resources (water) into energy instead of food when we already have hundreds of years of recoverable oil in our country right now?


8 posted on 04/09/2008 8:45:30 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Josh Painter
I believe somehow the left has been choking off energy supplies to bring about socialism (you and me riding the same bus from our small concrete block apartments). They never counted on American entrepreneurs coming up with new sources!
9 posted on 04/09/2008 8:46:44 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Rudder

The good thing about prarie grass is that it doesn’t require intensive gardening. It grows like a weed without much tending.

The bottom line is that we have a wide range of energy options, and we should use each one where it makes sense. Oklahoma, for example, has a fairly extensive natural gas fueling infrastructure for cars and trucks. Hydrogen is coming, and gasoline from coal, one of our most abundant resources, will be doable in the not too distant future.

While we’re waiting for all of those options to come online, however, we need oil. And we have plenty of it.


10 posted on 04/09/2008 8:49:08 PM PDT by Josh Painter (First, the GOP became a big tent. As a result, it became Democrat Lite.)
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To: Josh Painter

OPECKERS have declared economic war on the US and are effecting the economies all over the world. We need to use our resources here to influence world oil supplies hence price or we face untold economic hardship in the future. Those **#$@rs are taking advantage of a financial situation here in the states. I can gaurantee one thing, My sons will never be allowed to go to war to defend any one of those *$cks.

Just a rant, but well earned!


11 posted on 04/09/2008 8:52:50 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Josh Painter; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; Delacon; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; ...
"In theory it requires much less energy to make than ethanol, giving it a smaller carbon footprint ... yadda, yadda, yadda ....

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

12 posted on 04/09/2008 9:16:36 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Josh Painter
Drilling Anwar is not the answer.
Drilling the Gulf is not the answer.
Shale oil is not the answer.
Ethanol is not the answer, unless you are drinking it.
Solar power is not the answer.
Geothermal is not the answer.
Nuclear is not the answer.
Hydro-power is not the answer.
Biomass is not the answer.
Coal is not the answer.
Natural gas is not the answer, (unless we can harness Ted Kennedy and Michal Moore to a Gazillion Kilowatt Generator)

The answer is ALL OF THE ABOVE and get the government the hell out of it. The free market will deliver the product if you leave it alone.

13 posted on 04/09/2008 9:18:10 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Josh Painter
... and of course the environmental wacko's will let these refineries be built .... uh huh .....
14 posted on 04/09/2008 9:21:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Josh Painter

I bet it pales in comparison to green beer.


15 posted on 04/09/2008 11:15:12 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: Josh Painter

the electric car is coming

the TH!NK electric car goes(supposedly) on sale later
this year

the Chevy Volt, with luck goes on sale in 2010.

too many others to mention


16 posted on 04/10/2008 1:24:58 AM PDT by patch789
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To: Rudder
I just don’t think that intensive gardening is going to meet our energy needs while human beings remain hopelessly dependent upon food.

You really like those switchgrass and poplar sandwiches don't you.

Do you guys even read these articles. This is not made out of food but basically an ugly tree and a fast growing weed.

17 posted on 04/10/2008 6:47:56 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Josh Painter

And so...We went from an agrarian nation to an industrial, and now moving back to an agrarian nation once again.

There really is nothing new under the sun. /s


18 posted on 04/10/2008 7:32:07 AM PDT by Horusra (Conservative > Republican)
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To: Dane
...ugly tree and a fast growing weed.

which will take potential farmland and water to reliably grow on the scale required to fuel the planet.

19 posted on 04/10/2008 8:01:58 AM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Rudder
which will take potential farmland and water to reliably grow on the scale required to fuel the planet.

SWitchgrass grows on land that is not suitable for food crops, but of course, you reactionarily think that just because it is a bio-crop, that anybody who mentions it, is kissing al gore's ring, which is not true.

I really get tired of these reactionary responses, based on pure political notions.

20 posted on 04/10/2008 8:47:41 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Good luck on your new switch grass harvesting business.


21 posted on 04/10/2008 6:06:53 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Dane
Do you guys even read these articles. This is not made out of food but basically an ugly tree and a fast growing weed.

One, I read every article and comment that I reply to. I think most freepers do also, so stop insulting them, it's rude.
Two, a fast growing weed or corn for ethanol use fastly depleting land for growing food.

Stop insulting your fellow freepers, you're just making enemies. I have a feeling that's your agenda so feel free to ignore my comments.

22 posted on 04/10/2008 6:37:44 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S
What is often lost in these so called breakthrough solutions is historical perspective and the law of unintended consequences. The false fear of human caused global warming and the false fear of environmental damage has removed our own oil reserves from possible solutions to higher gasoline prices.

So, in our haste, we have embraced the bio-fuel ethanol and what has happened? Unintended, though predicted, consequences of higher food prices, food shortages, a move to more aggressive but not sustainable farming and all for a product that takes almost as much energy to produce it as it yields.

And, if we use it, it's more harmful to our environment than what it is supposed to replace. Even the environmental groups are coming to their senses about the impact of making and using ethanol instead of gasoline. Moreover, if we removed our subsidies, there is no way ethanol could compete against gasoline in the free market.

Even sillier, we let the government cast "big oil" as the new villain and we then accuse them of screwing us over with their high pump prices. If people would stop and THINK, they'd realize that a large chunk of the pump price is TAX! People might also realize that supply and demand are still at work, but it is government who is mostly at fault for the supply problem, not big oil or the middle east. There is real and growing competition to buy oil. Why should we buy it from others when we could pump our own? Because the government say No. As it is, we don't even get the majority of our oil from the middle east, but from our neighbors to the north and south.

And then we have to refine it. How old are our refineries? When did we build the last ones? How many pipelines? Does anyone else see a problem? Katrina hits N.O. and the east coast has a gas shortage. That's not OPEC's fault. And this supply problem is going to be solved by ethanol? Not likely. It's far more difficult to move than gasoline.

23 posted on 04/10/2008 7:14:52 PM PDT by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: GBA

Very well said. Thank you.


24 posted on 04/10/2008 7:53:10 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S
One, I read every article and comment that I reply to. I think most freepers do also, so stop insulting them, it's rude

Well excuse me as you enjoy your switchgrass sandwich(which is a non-food crop and grows on land that is not suitable for such crops as wheat and corn). JMO, with your kneejerk reactions against anything non-petroleum to get the US off OPEC oil, says to me you either work for the petroleum industry or have major stock holdings in the petroleum industry. The buggy whip manufacturers could only dream of the influence the petroleum industry now has.

Also back in the 1880's Edison had many critics that his light bulb wouldn't take off, thank God he didn't listen to his critics.

25 posted on 04/11/2008 3:38:11 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
says to me you either work for the petroleum industry or have major stock holdings in the petroleum industry.

One could draw far more assumptions from your non-stop shilling for illegals, Dane.

Butimpugning the motives of other posters is your favorite tactic. Very Clintonian of you.

26 posted on 04/11/2008 4:55:01 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy; Jean S; Rudder
One could draw far more assumptions from your non-stop shilling for illegals, Dane.

Butimpugning the motives of other posters is your favorite tactic. Very Clintonian of you.

All I did was pointing out to rudder that switchgrass and poplar trees are not food sources and are grown in places where food is not grown.

Yes I think corn ethanol is a boondogle, but that doesn't mean you throw out the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to bio-fuels and bio-diesel.

JMO, anything that gets the US off OPEC oil is fine with me and that means more drilling, coal, nuclear, solar, hydrogen, bio-fuels from weeds and uly trees, bio-fuels from algae, etc. Just because I promote such thing as hydrogen doesn't mean I'm kissing al gore's ring, either.

And also one must face the fact that if there is a hydrogen car, the oil industry is going to lose out, and the oil industry does employ a lot of people, a lot of people have oil stocks in their portfolios, and has a lot of influence in govt.

That said I do believe that some posters do have an interest in oil and dismiss any oil alternative out of hand because of that interest.

27 posted on 04/11/2008 5:45:59 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane; Jean S
All I did was pointing out to rudder that switchgrass and poplar trees are not food sources and are grown in places where food is not grown.

Oh, you did a lot more than that, Dane. You then turned around, in your usual snot-nosed manner, and implied that Jean must be associated with oil producers. Just like you imply that those who are opposed to illegal immigration must be a bunch of sheet-wearing racists. And it's tiresome, and does nothing but turn threads into flame-a-thons. Given how often you pull these stunts, one must wonder if that is what you enjoy - causing conflict.

28 posted on 04/11/2008 5:53:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Dane
Just because I promote such thing as hydrogen

Well, once we find a hydrogen mine, please ping me.

Until then, hydrogen is a energy transfer mechanism and not a source of energy per se. It might be viable to generate hydrogen by cracking it off hydrocarbons, but the hydrocarbons still have to come from somewhere. Likewise, it can be generated through electrolysis, but the electricity has to come from somewhere.

29 posted on 04/11/2008 5:55:11 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Josh Painter
While it may be five to 10 years before green gasoline arrives at the pump or finds its way into a fighter jet

Since when do fighter jets run on gasoline?

30 posted on 04/11/2008 5:59:09 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Josh Painter

Wow, I’m gonna be rich! We’ve got a bunch of poplar trees.

Move over Jed Clampett!


31 posted on 04/11/2008 6:34:43 AM PDT by Darnright
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