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School violence appalls officials/ Students **Cheer** as Teacher is Beaten!
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-te.md.ci.teacher10sapr10,0,601646.story ^

Posted on 04/10/2008 4:26:59 AM PDT by wintertime

The trouble began, Jolita Berry said, when she asked a girl in one of her art classes at Reginald F. Lewis High School to sit down.

The student did not obey, coming closer to confront the teacher. "She said she's gonna bang me," Berry said. "I said, 'Back up, you're in my space. If you hit me, I'm gonna defend myself.'"

But Berry, who is 30 and started her job teaching art at the Northeast Baltimore school in December, did not defend herself. The girl caught the teacher off guard as other students cheered her on and screamed, "Hit her!"

"She just started beating on me relentlessly," Berry said, recalling the Friday morning incident that left her with a sore shoulder and a broken blood vessel in her eye.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


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There are schools that are so horrific, abusive, and socially toxic that it would be better for a student never to step foot in them. Some schools are that horrible. This is true even if the child never received any education whatsoever.

I seriously mean this! It would be better for a child to be illiterate and innumerate than ever to be subjected to that enviroment!

The school in this article is one of them.

1 posted on 04/10/2008 4:27:00 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: metmom
Definitely “Another Reason to Homeschool!”

Is this the wonderful “socialization” that homeschoolers are missing?

2 posted on 04/10/2008 4:28:23 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

the schools of today are the streets of tomorrow.


3 posted on 04/10/2008 4:30:03 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (can u feel the unity?)
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To: wintertime

When an animal attacks you, STK. Then go and hunt down the animal’s parents and ensure they can never breed again. This would be true Darwinism.

This country is lost. Only drastic action will save us.


4 posted on 04/10/2008 4:30:45 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Suspend that young lady and tell her she may apply at McDonalds and make it her career.


5 posted on 04/10/2008 4:33:03 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: wintertime

What, no mugshots?


6 posted on 04/10/2008 4:33:45 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (can u feel the unity?)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Only drastic action will save us.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Obviously, there must be good kids in this school. Why aren’t we rescuing the decent kids?

If legislators will not act, if they are dominated by the NEA, then why aren’t we acting privately to rescue the good kids?

One thing is for certain.

Churches are NOT going to step forward to rescue these kids. There are too many NEA teachers, and people directly and indirectly sucking a living from the government school industrial complex for any minister to act. Few ministers will bite the hand that puts money in the collection plate.


7 posted on 04/10/2008 4:39:28 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

What, no mugshots?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The newspaper has a mug shot of the poor teacher.


8 posted on 04/10/2008 4:40:44 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

My homeschooled nieces are LIGHT YEARS ahead of their peers in academics, life skills, and most of all, socialization. They haven’t missed a thing they shouldn’t miss.


9 posted on 04/10/2008 4:41:38 AM PDT by Humble Servant ( Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: wintertime

Feral.


10 posted on 04/10/2008 4:43:45 AM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: DooDahhhh

Suspension? SUSPENSION? Are you crazy? This is assault and battery. It’s jail time and expulsion, Dearie!


11 posted on 04/10/2008 4:44:00 AM PDT by Humble Servant ( Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: DooDahhhh

You obviously have no understanding of how these schools work. There will be a board of inquiry, the teacher will be brought up on charges, and will have to spend many, many hours and dollars defending herself. To top it off, she will most likely be harassed by the girl’s parents for abusing their daughter.

Similar things have happened to my sister who teaches in a school system outside Wash DC (never this bad, but close).


12 posted on 04/10/2008 4:44:01 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: the invisib1e hand
True, when these areas finally explode,The Civil War will
pale in comparison.
13 posted on 04/10/2008 4:46:04 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: wintertime
I saw the teacher interviewed and the taped incident on the Today show this morning. I was completely perplexed after that segment during which I heard “suspension”. “school administration” and “teacher’s union” mentioned but what I was really interested in, was never mentioned. I didn't hear a word about the police, district attorney, juvenile detention, prosecution or anything else that one would expect in an assault case. WTF is going on there?
14 posted on 04/10/2008 4:47:56 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
What, no mugshots?

You really need 'em?

The only mugshot I'm interested in is one taken by the coroner after the perp is dispatched like the rabid animal it is.

I don't give a damn about age, if one is attacked by a mad dog, kill the freakin' dog.

Tell the owners (parents) they should have been more responsible in raising and 'training' their dog.
15 posted on 04/10/2008 4:48:12 AM PDT by mkjessup (Presidential Buffet Choices: "Botulism, Salmonella, or E.Coli -- iow, we get sick no matter what.")
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To: wintertime
Obviously, there must be good kids in this school. Why aren’t we rescuing the decent kids?

That would be discrimination.

16 posted on 04/10/2008 4:48:49 AM PDT by claudiustg (You know it and I know it.)
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To: wintertime
As I have said before: CLOSE all government schools and let private industry have schools that are competitive. Provide funding to families who cannot afford the school fees and stop steeling money from citizens to pay for this radical so called school system.
17 posted on 04/10/2008 4:49:31 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Why did I know the Teacher was Black and I’ll bet the Attacker was as well. Sorry, but those are the Politically Incorrect and Politically Inconvenient facts about what is happening in our schools and many other parts of our Society today.


18 posted on 04/10/2008 4:50:01 AM PDT by Doneit
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To: wintertime

No reason for a child to be illiterate. They can be taught at home. Amazing how we behaved in school and had respect for the teachers and today they challenge a position of authority like this. Where are the parents? To me...if you are raised properly and taught the right and wrong of things and are taught to be respectful to others you wouldn’t even THINK of behaving in this manner. The schools talk about putting more and more and more $$$ into the schools. For what?
Go to class, sit your butt down in your desk, pay attention, learn and then move onto the next class. What is so hard about that? Sad state of affairs we live in now in this country. So many parents have failed their children. This kind of teaching and learning about right and wrong begins early in the home. It HAS to...otherwise we see what happens. If a child is not taught these values before he/she steps those little feet out the door to kindergarten...he/she will never learn them. Chaos. Pure chaos. However, as far as the teacher goes...I would sue the living hell out of the kids parents. The teacher does not have to be subject to that kind of mad behaviors. No way. No how.


19 posted on 04/10/2008 4:52:01 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: DooDahhhh
Hah! She will apply at Human Resourses and make that her career--that and having brats to raise up in her image on our dime.

vaudine

20 posted on 04/10/2008 4:53:50 AM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: wintertime
It is time to end public funded education in the US of A! I an my family vote against every school budget, I have noticed that the numbers against are getting bigger and bigger each and every year. So much that Maine now has a rule/law/dictate that makes the vote of little practical value since the school can spend the money anyhow.
21 posted on 04/10/2008 4:54:41 AM PDT by deuteronlmy232 (And people think a theocracy is bad? Try taxation with representation.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

You are exactly right... BTW, the article is serious Mega Hurl material.

“She (Berry) said the principal told her she’d provoked the attack by telling the student she would defend herself.”

“...the principal did not remove the student from the school immediately. As she left the school Friday to go to a medical clinic, Berry said, she had to pass by the girl, bragging to her friends about what she’d done.”

Why is this happening? NCLB, of course...

“...city school administrators aren’t reporting violent incidents or doing enough to punish children who are violent, for fear their schools will be labeled “persistently dangerous” under the federal No Child Left Behind Act.”

“(Baltimore Schools CEO Andres) Alonso has encouraged principals to look at alternatives to suspension for nonviolent offenses, but urged zero tolerance for violence.”

“Some educators say his directive has been misinterpreted, with principals discouraging all suspensions.”

“Alonso responded that night that he’d be happy to meet with (Baltimore Teachers Union president Marietta) English and anyone else about school violence, but he said he wanted specifics about incidents that are not being reported, not generalized allegations.”

So... They won’t suspend violent thugs that infest these ghetto schools because they’d lose that precious fed money (that they use to line their pockets with).


22 posted on 04/10/2008 4:56:59 AM PDT by rock_lobsta (Not Your Ordinary Crustacean.)
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To: mkjessup
"if one is attacked by a mad dog, kill the freakin' dog."

The community is taking care of that on it's own. Eventually, these kids will not just be beating up Teachers, they'll be Drive-by shooting each other.

23 posted on 04/10/2008 4:58:14 AM PDT by Doneit
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To: DooDahhhh
No, No, No, I don't want this slime-ball preparing my Big Mac! Besides, having a job means taking responsibility for ones actions: showing up on time, being clean, earning your own way, learning a skill or trade.

No, this offender will soon be on the taxpayers dole, or in prison. Either way, we the taxpayer will be the only ones taking responsibility for her. (Hopefully she won't breed any time soon.)

24 posted on 04/10/2008 4:59:41 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (USMC 1972-1981)
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To: Doneit
Why did I know the Teacher was Black and I’ll bet the Attacker was as well. Sorry, but those are the Politically Incorrect and Politically Inconvenient facts about what is happening in our schools and many other parts of our Society today.

Now I would have guessed the teacher being white, and the attacker being black. You know, a non-hate crime.
25 posted on 04/10/2008 5:00:38 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
You obviously have no understanding of how these schools work. There will be a board of inquiry, the teacher will be brought up on charges, and will have to spend many, many hours and dollars defending herself. To top it off, she will most likely be harassed by the girl’s parents for abusing their daughter.

Similar things have happened to my sister who teaches in a school system outside Wash DC (never this bad, but close).

Another factor are "community activists" who will do anything to protect their own power. A nifty example of this can be seen in the movie "Stand By Me" in that woman who conspires to not only have Joe Clark fired, but arrested.

This is the case with the Kansas City, MO public school district. The school district lost their state accreditation a number of years ago and still hasn't re-achieved it. When the state threatened to take over the district, some "community activists" threatened to "riot in the streets."

Mark

26 posted on 04/10/2008 5:01:19 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: wintertime

http://www.wbaltv.com/video/15836326/index.html

Teacher Attack Caught On Tape - VIDEO


27 posted on 04/10/2008 5:01:26 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Tahoe3002
No, No, No, I don't want this slime-ball preparing my Big Mac! Besides, having a job means taking responsibility for ones actions: showing up on time, being clean, earning your own way, learning a skill or trade.

Not only that, she wouldn't be able to give correct change back (although when that happens to me, its usually in my favor). And she'd probably be uppity all the time too.
28 posted on 04/10/2008 5:04:44 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: wintertime

And let us figure out how such schools got so bad...

No discipline (courts and weak-kneed administrators won’t let that happen).

State funding formulas that rely on “average daily attendance” - so if you suspend or expel students, it is a direct loss of funding (at least here in Arkansas).

Courts that have rule that “certain” students cannot be expelled or suspended over 10 days because it “deprives” them of “services”.

Parents who encourage such behavior - either actively or passively by not being involved in their children’s lives and not disciplining at home.

Schools that are run as a “one-size-fits-all” mentality by the government.

Teachers who’s hands are tied. If they send unruly students to the office, they get reprimanded for not handling it in their class. If they don’t sent them, then it gets out of hand such as in this case.

The animal who attacked the teacher should not only be PERMANENTLY out of the school setting, but should get to cool her jets in prison for a few years. Further, if the students who incited the action can be identified, they too should be removed from the school.

But I am certain that if any real action comes against those students, some group or organization will file a lawsuit to block it because of their “circumstances” or “special needs”.

A similar attack took place at a school here in Arkansas last year. The female teacher was assaulted and actually ended up with some pretty serious injuries (including requiring back surgery and she has yet to completely recover - and likely won’t).

The student attacker didn’t even miss any significant time from school. The school would not turn it over to law enforcement (even though such cases are mandatory in Arkansas). To top it off - this teacher (with a good record as a teacher) as even obstructed from getting her medical bills paid by her superintendent. I knew about the case soon after it happened. The rest of the world found out just a couple of months ago when her husband (who was the band director at the same school), out of frustration and lack of action, went to the superintendent’s home with a gun.

Teachers in a large number of schools are treated much like fodder, while students get free reign. Many (all?) states are facing a growing teacher shortage. Any wonder why? And if you are teacher who actually challenges students to learn and to think - you are first on the list to harass or cut.

Is it any wonder our schools are in the shape they are in?


29 posted on 04/10/2008 5:05:56 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: wintertime

Baltimore City school....shocking.


30 posted on 04/10/2008 5:05:59 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: maica; Freee-dame

Balto ping.


31 posted on 04/10/2008 5:06:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: maggief

OMG; It’s partly the teacher’s fault according to the principal !!! “Defending yourself” is a “trigger word”.


32 posted on 04/10/2008 5:07:17 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (All things shall be well; You shall see for yourself that all manner of things shall be well)
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To: wintertime
The trouble began, Jolita Berry said, when she asked a girl in one of her art classes at Reginald F. Lewis High School to sit down.

Well golly, su-prize su-prize.

The Reginald F. Lewis High School has a rating of 2 out of ten from greatschools.net. And the parents and alum rate it as 1 out of five.

Quote, "As a fomer Alummni of this school I would not recommend this school for any student.

And.... "no stars: administration has a long way to go. Law programs is very under developed. Is not a safe school. signed New parent of a 9th grader"

In English - a Hell Hole.

(the ethnic makeup of this school can be found at the link. but take a guess, just for the heck of it)

33 posted on 04/10/2008 5:07:30 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Doneit
Teacher was Black
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I must assume that teacher did go to college and graduate. That took real middle class effort, discipline, and an evident love of learning.

I applaud people of all races who have the determination to be responsible and self-sufficient.

I am assuming, from the article, that the teacher was not a substitute but a regularly employed teacher.

I am very sorry this happened to her.

By the way, my sister-in-law was pushed down the stairs by a bunch of her 6th grade students. (This was inner Philly.) The students were charged and convicted in court. ( Thankfully, other teachers were witnesses.) The mini-thugs were then given a slap on the wrist and transfered to another government school where they could terrorize other unsuspecting teachers and students.

34 posted on 04/10/2008 5:08:03 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Ah yes Baltimore schools so much has changed since I left in 59.


35 posted on 04/10/2008 5:09:01 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: wintertime
I seriously mean this! It would be better for a child to be illiterate and innumerate than ever to be subjected to that enviroment!

We homeschool our 8 kids and we are no geniuses, yet we have found that it is easier to teach a child to read than to teach him/her to do the dishes correctly.

36 posted on 04/10/2008 5:09:35 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: wintertime
You are so right.

Part of the huge problem in this country is that of the Christian churches being hijacked by Leftist indoctrination.

They have taken ‘help the poor’ to mean: support socialism.

They have taken ‘judge not that ye be not judged’ to be: moral relativism is God's way; there is no right and wrong, everything goes.

They have taken the concept of faith and sympathy and repentance to mean: if it is something makes you ‘feel’ it is good and right.

Too many Christians have bought into soft Leftism by a wrangling of Biblical text. Most see the public schools and teachers sympathetically, not as the enemy of religion (Christianity, that is, non-Christian religions are fine exercises of diversity) in general that is probably the majority of government-run schools.

37 posted on 04/10/2008 5:09:54 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

I would normally have thought that too but I think most White Teachers have been chased out of these schools. The ones who remain probably just let the kids go crazy in fear of being attacked.


38 posted on 04/10/2008 5:10:29 AM PDT by Doneit
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To: wintertime

It sounds like students and teachers in that school need to sit down and have a dialog. /sarcasm


39 posted on 04/10/2008 5:11:30 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: wintertime

Its not just the school- it’s the whole angry Jerry Springer/Jeremiah Wright anti social attitude that defines Baltimore City’s project dwellers. I guess you havent read about the beatings of bus passengers by wilding middle schoolers.


40 posted on 04/10/2008 5:13:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: cubreporter
“Where are the parents? To me...if you are raised properly and taught the right and wrong of things and are taught to be respectful to others you wouldn’t even THINK of behaving in this manner” (cubreporter)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Obviously there must be good kids in this horrible school. There must be kids with decent parents.

Why? Why? Why?...As CHRISTIANS, why arent’ we rescuing these decent children? ( Yes, I am shouting. I am exasperated!) If the legislatures aren't willing to do what is right, then as CHRISTIANS we should be doing it privately! ( With or without the help of our churches!)

By the way, I am not holding my breath waiting for churches to do what is right. There are too many government teachers sitting in the pews, and ministers are not likely to bite the hand that puts money in the collection plate.

But,,,with or without the help of churches, as Christians we should be rescuing our children.

41 posted on 04/10/2008 5:14:25 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Both English and Berry told 11 News that some school principals are afraid to discipline students so they don’t give their schools a bad mark. Berry said she was shocked by the response she received from the school’s principal after her attack.

“On one hand, she told me that she is sorry that his happened to me,” Berry said. “But then she turned right around and told me that telling a student that I was going to defend myself was a trigger word. I triggered them.”

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/15832101/detail.html


42 posted on 04/10/2008 5:14:41 AM PDT by maggief
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To: DooDahhhh

“Young LADY” is generous.
“McDonalds”? I wouldn’t want her spitting on my sandwich.
Let her pick strawberries or something similar.


43 posted on 04/10/2008 5:18:27 AM PDT by westmichman ( God said: "They cry 'peace! peace!' but there is no peace. Jeremiah 6:14)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
and lobby for mo' money.

By Wednesday, the head of the Baltimore Teachers Union and Mayor Sheila Dixon were pointing to the incident in calling for the city school system to dedicate more resources to reducing classroom violence.

44 posted on 04/10/2008 5:19:29 AM PDT by maggief
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To: wintertime

Agree but how does one go about rescuing the children? Everthing today is about money. Follow the trail of the money and you will find the root of all evil.


45 posted on 04/10/2008 5:19:44 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: wintertime
There are schools that are so horrific, abusive, and socially toxic that it would be better for a student never to step foot in them

But, but - how will the children get that 'socializing' experience? (That's what I was asked over and over when I put my daughter into a Christian school. People spit out that mantra like robots.)

Gov't Indoctrination Camps, aka, schools, have turned into Lord of the Flies enclaves.

46 posted on 04/10/2008 5:20:27 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Dr. Ursus

There will be no “next Civil War.” At the first loud confrontation, the police will issue tickets for disorderly conduct. At the first threat of a shot, charges of terroristic threats. At the first shot, confiscation of firearms. If people still want to fight after that, the govt will start taking away benefits and that should do it.


47 posted on 04/10/2008 5:20:30 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: Doneit
The community is taking care of that on it's own. Eventually, these kids will not just be beating up Teachers, they'll be Drive-by shooting each other.

Unfortunately, the process of self-elimination will inevitably result in innocent victims.

We need a Devil's Island for these misfits. Ship 'em off and let them fend for themselves under whatever 'rules' they establish for themselves.

Of course they might have trouble spelling 'rule'.

"Roool"?

Nah, that ain't it.

"Raoul"?

Hell no homey, that's a Spanish dude.

"Rude"?

That's yo Mama home boy, try again.

"RULE"?

There ain't no rules dude, hey, let's smoke dis rock and don't worry bout it.
48 posted on 04/10/2008 5:21:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (Presidential Buffet Choices: "Botulism, Salmonella, or E.Coli -- iow, we get sick no matter what.")
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To: Gabz; SoftballMominVA; abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; AnAmericanMother; andie74; ...

Public Education Ping

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If you would like to be on or off this list, please freepmail Amelia, Gabz, Shag377, or SoftballMominVa

49 posted on 04/10/2008 5:22:20 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: rock_lobsta

“Why is this happening? NCLB, of course...”

Actually, NO. NCLB might have made a big difference in this case, Because it mandates accountability by adults who run the schools, and highlights the incompetents by taking students and eventually control of the schools away from them.

However, the City of Baltimore and Legislature of the State of Maryland, 2 years ago, subverted NCLB, which would have required a federal takeover of Baltimore’s perpetually an habitually dysfunctional and failing schools-

Why weren’t these failing Baltimore schools turned over to competent federally monitored administrators to try and undo the damage?

Because a certain uber liberal Mayor of Baltimore named Martin O Malley was positioning to run for Goevrnor and having “his” city schools taken over by the Feds would have looked BAD on his resume.

So the kids of Baltimore continue to suffer under apathy and dysfunction and incompetence and tolerance of sociopathy - and we all pay the price.

But hey, Martin O’Malley is now the Governor of Maryland and says he has a plan to fix the schools if we just pay more taxes and become more sensitive to diversity.


50 posted on 04/10/2008 5:22:42 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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