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ATF Agents Burst Into Wrong House (again...)
NBC6 ^ | 04-10-08 | staff

Posted on 04/10/2008 8:06:37 AM PDT by woollyone

MIAMI -- Officers from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives barged into a South Florida home Wednesday only to discover they had the wrong address.

The ATF agents were supposed to conduct a raid at a home in the 2600 block of Northwest 49th Terrace in northwest Miami-Dade County, but they were off by one block. They entered a house on Northwest 49th Street instead.

A mother and her 2-year-old boy were among the innocent people inside the home when the agents came in


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfe; beserkcop; bootthebatfe; donutwatch; jackbootedthugs; jbt; leo; noknock; police; policestate; swat
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~snip~ "...When the agents realized their mistake, one of them said, "Ma'am, you were in the wrong place." ~snip~

What a wonderful America we've become.

1 posted on 04/10/2008 8:06:37 AM PDT by woollyone
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To: Joe Brower

ping

...to the roofer


2 posted on 04/10/2008 8:07:40 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: woollyone

Which mapping software do they use? (I want the other one!)


3 posted on 04/10/2008 8:10:11 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: woollyone

Oops!
Too much Alcohol and Tobacco?


4 posted on 04/10/2008 8:10:25 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: woollyone
The agents left tear gas cans in the house, and the woman kicked them out and into the street before dumping them into the garbage.

PLEEEEEASE let this mean the woman kicked the AGENTS out before dumping them into the garbage.

PLEEEEASE.

5 posted on 04/10/2008 8:10:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Secondhand Aztlan Smoke causes drug addiction obesity in global warming cancer immigrant terrorists.)
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To: woollyone

6 posted on 04/10/2008 8:10:32 AM PDT by JRios1968 ("If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"--Ronald Reagan)
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To: woollyone
The agents left tear gas cans in the house

A parting gift for your 2 yr old, ma'am.

7 posted on 04/10/2008 8:10:59 AM PDT by Sax
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To: woollyone

Be sure to FReep the comments section on that story!!!!


8 posted on 04/10/2008 8:11:13 AM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
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To: woollyone

Holy cow, it says they left their TEAR GAS cans in the lady’s house??? Talk about callous disregard for someone’s safety. Just remember that your tax dollars are at work supporting these goon squads.


9 posted on 04/10/2008 8:11:36 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: woollyone

I am an advocate for law enforcement,Bother is an asst. Police chief,several nephews are policemen. But, If you are going to bust a residence for something shouldn’t some one who has actually been to that house be along for the ride? Just in case.


10 posted on 04/10/2008 8:12:27 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: JimRed

ethanol powered informants


11 posted on 04/10/2008 8:13:01 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: woollyone
When the agents realized their mistake, one of them said, "Ma'am, you were in the wrong place

Burn All Toddlers up to their BullS*** again I see

12 posted on 04/10/2008 8:13:20 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: woollyone
Interesting that they couldn't wait to pop off the teargas. But for ATF close counts as in horse shoes and hand grenades.

Deplorable that this happens at all in this day and age. Wrong address my a$$. More like total incompetence.

13 posted on 04/10/2008 8:13:54 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: woollyone

Any dogs get shot?

It’s for ossifer saftey doncha know!


14 posted on 04/10/2008 8:15:12 AM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

This just in...

...they did NOT shoot the dog!

...because there wasn’t a dog at home at the time.


15 posted on 04/10/2008 8:15:13 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: woollyone
When the agents realized their mistake, one of them said, "Ma'am, you were in the wrong place."

This agent is an arrogant idiot. He needs to find another job ...

16 posted on 04/10/2008 8:15:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: woollyone

Was it Solzhenitsyn who wondered how different Russia would have been if KGB/GRU agents stopped returning from such activities?

Yes, I cheered when the ATF hauled their fat-asses down that long road away from the Waco complex.


17 posted on 04/10/2008 8:15:44 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: woollyone

“Mrs. Lincoln, your husband was in the wrong place.” - John Wilkes Booth.


18 posted on 04/10/2008 8:16:27 AM PDT by decimon
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..


19 posted on 04/10/2008 8:19:14 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: ArrogantBustard

And that statement coming from your screen name means a lot!

=0)


20 posted on 04/10/2008 8:19:15 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: woollyone
A.T.F. (old acronym)

A.T.F.F.U.A. (new acronym)

Translation: Alcohol Tobbacco & Firearms Flubbed Up Again

21 posted on 04/10/2008 8:21:11 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: beltfed308
And remember these persons are authorized to carry guns (loaded ones, even) and to use deadly force.

Very unprofessional.

I'm sure they will all get a severe talking-to. That'll straighten them out.

Yeah.

22 posted on 04/10/2008 8:24:37 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: woollyone

This article is too short to properly cover the subject, & it seems a little strange. The cops left tear gas canisters in the house? Were they live or spent? She kicked the canisters out the door before putting them in the garbage? There is something fishy about this reporting! As for the phrase “Ma’am, you were in the wrong place.”, the cop was more likely joking than be that stupid - I hope!

I will say this: That woman better be real glad she was not smoking a cigarette when the ATF came in!


23 posted on 04/10/2008 8:24:40 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Minutemen

curious?? Cant she file a criminal complaint for Breaking and Entering,Assault with a Deadly Weapon, Using a Firearm during the commission of a crime, and so on.... thats exactly what would happen if you or I did this. Considering their Warrant had a different AQddress on it , she would be =on the right side of the law. Every one of these Jack Booted thugs should rot in Jail for a long time, and of course in General Population.

Eyeamok


24 posted on 04/10/2008 8:27:04 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: woollyone

Hey, at least they had the restraint not to taze (or shoot) both the mother and her toddler for being “in the wrong place.”


25 posted on 04/10/2008 8:29:29 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Captain Rhino

Some police forces are becoming so militarized - they assault suburban homes like they were fortified terrorist bases. Soon they’ll be tossing flash-bangs in the windows before they charge in.

My question is if they’re going to act like this, at what point do they become a true military force and fall under posse comitatus restrictions?


26 posted on 04/10/2008 8:31:08 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: eyeamok

Alcohol,tobacco and firearms should be a convenience store not a government agency of jack booted thugs.


27 posted on 04/10/2008 8:31:09 AM PDT by M1D
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To: woollyone

On the bright side, they didn’t burn the house down with her and all the children inside.

Federal cops for anything other than chasing foreign spies and protecting the border is a bad, bad idea.

Indeed, federal laws for anything other than the basics on those issues is a bad, bad idea.


28 posted on 04/10/2008 8:31:18 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Minutemen

how about A.T.F.F.U.B.A.R.A.?


29 posted on 04/10/2008 8:31:25 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Mister Da

M/D may have been apart of this raid.
...often not the brightest twinkle-bulbs on the tree.

But, you’re right, the article is unusually short.
Another odd thing is that comments are allowed to be posted.

The Sun Slantin’-All & the Miami Herald didn’t even report the story at all (that I could find this AM).

Seems to be a deliberate silence about the whole affair.

Hey if it wasn’t on the 6 O’Clock news...it never happened!


30 posted on 04/10/2008 8:34:23 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

agreed


31 posted on 04/10/2008 8:35:09 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: Pete98

Posse Comitatus went bye-bye last year when Bush signed a budget bill with a “small” rider that repealed it.


32 posted on 04/10/2008 8:39:23 AM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: woollyone

You say you want a revolution, welllll you know....


33 posted on 04/10/2008 8:39:29 AM PDT by Rob112586 ("...a decrease in the quantity of legislation generally means an increase in the quality of life.")
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To: Pete98
Some police forces are becoming so militarized - they assault suburban homes like they were fortified terrorist bases.

The problem is, some of them are. Others are fortified drug storage and distribution facilities manned by really bad guys with big guns. Others are mistakes like this one.

So it's easy to criticize--I've done my share of criticizing ATF. But how do you avoid this? Do you send officers into unknown situations without scary looking flak jackets and helmets? Do you give bad guys 30 seconds warning to pick up their guns? Do you politely request permission to enter?

The problem is the ongoing decline and fall of Western Civilization. My brother in law is a cop. In today's world, every encounter with a citizen is scary. It's hard to stay alive and not be uber-cautious because the country is full of psychopaths with RPG's. If you're a cop, you err on the side of overwhelming force and pray you don't make mistakes.

34 posted on 04/10/2008 8:40:31 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: SJSAMPLE
Was it Solzhenitsyn who wondered how different Russia would have been if KGB/GRU agents stopped returning from such activities?

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur? What if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

35 posted on 04/10/2008 8:41:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“He needs to find another job ... “

He will be promoted to work with Lon Horiuchi.


36 posted on 04/10/2008 8:42:14 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: woollyone
Did they shoot or just taze the family dog?
37 posted on 04/10/2008 8:45:03 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (So long Myron. Call the Steelers games from heaven.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

He’s working for the one enterprise that would hire him. The only thing left for him is to become a politician.


38 posted on 04/10/2008 8:47:11 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: woollyone

Thugs with a badge, who murdered the people at Waco. Must be more of those Klintoon era hirees.

Just The Facts,
NSNR


39 posted on 04/10/2008 8:48:15 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: oldfart
Posse Comitatus went bye-bye last year when Bush signed a budget bill with a “small” rider that repealed it.

Got a reference for that?

40 posted on 04/10/2008 8:48:25 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: em2vn; DBrow

It’s Springtime, and the daisies need to be pushed up.

Maybe he could get a job doing that.

;’}


41 posted on 04/10/2008 8:48:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: woollyone

The agents must be arrested, tried, and put in jail. They broke into the home of an innocent person without a search warrant. Apologies don’t count.

If the innocent person had exercised her right to defend herself and her family against an unjust agressor, and used deadly force, the highly trained agents would have cut her in two with bullets, and killed the children as well.

There is no excuse. There can be no apology. Strong, unthinking armed men protected by body armor threatened the life of an innocent person.


42 posted on 04/10/2008 8:49:13 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (fascism is wrong, even if practiced by the government)
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To: ModelBreaker

“So it’s easy to criticize—I’ve done my share of criticizing ATF. But how do you avoid this? “

Well, if it takes months of investigations, tracking down leads, questioning informants, filling out forms for a warrant, and getting a judge to sign it....

I’d say the way to avoid it, is to get the address correct.


43 posted on 04/10/2008 8:50:04 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: woollyone
Explosives too now?

Guess they did such a good job with alcohol, tobacco and firearms they had to expand their repertoire. Maybe tomorrow it will include chemical pesticides and doggie poo.

44 posted on 04/10/2008 8:51:30 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ModelBreaker
So it's easy to criticize--I've done my share of criticizing ATF. But how do you avoid this? Do you send officers into unknown situations without scary looking flak jackets and helmets? Do you give bad guys 30 seconds warning to pick up their guns? Do you politely request permission to enter? The problem is the ongoing decline and fall of Western Civilization. My brother in law is a cop. In today's world, every encounter with a citizen is scary. It's hard to stay alive and not be uber-cautious because the country is full of psychopaths with RPG's. If you're a cop, you err on the side of overwhelming force and pray you don't make mistakes.

I'm sorry. But that type of sentiment scares the hell out of me. What in the world have we become?
Oh...and howabout this....Next time Mr. Jackboot. Besides all your macho friends in the cool looking black masks and tacticool outfits, why not take along one of those guys with the blue uniform and the USPS patch on his shirt. Maybe he'll be smart enough to find the right address for you.
45 posted on 04/10/2008 8:52:07 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Pete98
at what point do they become a true military force and fall under posse comitatus restrictions?

When their paycheck comes from the Feds.

46 posted on 04/10/2008 8:52:17 AM PDT by xone
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To: woollyone

Wait for the contingent of JBT-lovers here to show up and defend these idiots.

The ATF is not only a rogue agency, its an utterly useless one.

Why do we need a law enforcement agency for three LEGAL commodities?

The Stasi, KGB, Kempei Tai, and Sicherheitendienst are alive and well here in the United States.


47 posted on 04/10/2008 8:52:48 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Sax

“The agents left tear gas cans in the house”

Which means the entered using those tear gas canisters...I would bet they destroyed the doors as well as broke half the windows in the home.


48 posted on 04/10/2008 8:52:54 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: DBrow

Probably will walk across the stage and receive his performance cash incentive check due to outstanding duty performance.

Lon Horuchi a real role model for a terrorist/murderer.

Just The Facts,
NSNR


49 posted on 04/10/2008 8:53:42 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

That callous disregard started before WACO with those imbeciles with badges.


50 posted on 04/10/2008 8:53:47 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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