Posted on 04/10/2008 8:58:06 AM PDT by unspun
Darwinism is a specific evolutionary theory that excludes everything but material processes in the design of all life forms. No Intelligent Design allowed.
"What's driving it is Darwinism is a foundational principle – scientific validation of secularism, atheism, liberalism – and that it strikes at the core of who they are," said Mathis.
"Secondarily, these scientists are the high priests of the biggest question ever asked. They have all the authority, knowledge, power, funding," continued Mathis. "This is ground they own exclusively. They look down their elitist noses at the unwashed ignorant religious masses and scoff. That's why they respond with such extreme hostility. They are very concerned that if this monolith cracks, then the whole thing could crash."
Indeed, "Expelled" is already making a difference. Last month, Ben Stein, star of "Expelled," screened it for Florida legislators as they prepared to present a bill guaranteeing academic freedom in their schools. It looks ready to pass.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I am really looking forward to Ben Steins movie. I think it will show how the Evolutionists maintain their orthodoxy not through the power of their arguments but through the fear of retaliation. They love to criticize Christians and talk as if they were modern Galileo’s but in reality they have much more in common with the leaders of the inquisition.
It has come to our intention that Premise Media and Rampant Films has produced a film entitled "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," which is scheduled for commercial release and distribution on April 18, 2008. To our knowledge, this film includes a segment depicting biological cellular activity that was copied by computer-generated means from a video entitled "The Inner Life of a Cell." XVIVO holds the copyright to all the models, processes, and depictions in this video, and has not authorized Premise Media or Rampant Films to make any use of this material.
Harvard is enforcing its copyright to material Expelled lifted without permission!
More details here.
Witty commentary here: Harvard Strikes Back.
I live near Dover PA. I was shocked and outraged at the condescension with which the mainstream religious leaders greeted the concept of intelligent design.
After our Rabbi thundered from the alter about how we must adapt to modern science, and how intelligent design is a disguised attempt to Christianize our children, we then read a passage from the Torah about creation. No-one but me seemed to notice the irony.
If it hadn't been for those darned scientists always questioning things the US would be even greater.
Gosh, do you think America ever would have been discovered?
For you literalists out there, that was sarcasm
The thought-processes behind those who insist on intelligent-design / creationism as science are themselves the best evidence that humans are descended from apes.
Indeed. And the Global Warming Envirofascists have learned their M.O.
The dementia of believing that Darwinism is honest science may be one of the best evidences of the Fall of Man.
What a weird way of putting things. I think we can write just about anything that way, to wit:
Republicanism is a specific governmental theory that excludes everything but the will of the people.
No kings allowed! Not one!
Evidently, the producers of "Expelled" have a similar edition, but with the misprint transposed to the commandment concerning theft.
What a weird way of putting things. I think we can write just about anything that way, to wit: Republicanism is a specific governmental theory that excludes everything but the will of the people. No kings allowed! Not one!
But the former is true and your example is factually false. Darwinism attempts to declare by caveat that only philosophical materialism may be allowed to explain exactly what materialism cannot explain, i.e., how life got to be life.
That is Orwellian thought control and intellectual fraud.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999544/posts
(I wonder how many will condone the theft.)
It has come to our intention? Well, at least it's clear that this statement truly came from Harvard.
no comment
Ironically most biologists are Christians.
Harvard: Because not everybody can get into MIT.
(I heard about a T-shirt with that on it. Thought it was funny.)
Maybe your rabbi is wiser than you think. Judaism rejected a literalist interpretation of Genesis centuries before Darwin was born. There are Midrashic arguments to this effect, and the RaMBaM wrote a treatise on the subject. All major Jewish denominations in the United States, including the Orthodox Rabbinical Council of America, accept the fact that scientific evolution and Judaism are completely compatible and their reasoning is robust, is steeped in Jewish law, tradition and practice, and really quite interesting. Maybe you should consider approaching your rabbi and asking him questions if you're interested in learning more about Judaism.
Your Rabbi should reread Hitler’s writings.
They are based on social darwinism, which began with guess who?
The modern Darwinian evolutionary synthesis does no such thing. It simply observes allele change over time and posits four mechanisms in order to explain that change: selection, mutation, gene flow and genetic drift. You're trying to make this into some huge fight between religion and secularism, I understand that, but I don't think that's justified.
What’s up, Einig? So how’s tricks in Deutschland?
You guys had `Gott Mit Uns’ on your belt buckles in the second one, right . . . for all the good that did!
I’m thinking the tub-thumpers are afraid the high-brows are going to have them all `put to sleep’ someday.
False. Science uses the working assumption of methodological naturalism because it has been found to produce results.
Everyone else is free to use any assumptions they want in their own research, and religions do exactly that (all 4,300 of them). (But they come up with myriads of mutually contradictory and internally consistent beliefs because there is no empirical way to evaluate competing claims.)
You are correct. The vast majority of those that developed "all of the technology that made America the most advanced and powerful Country in the world" (if you accept the dubious premise that technology is what made America great) were indeed religious faithful. Even now less than 1% of Americans are atheist or agnostic.
That's just factually inaccurate. Hitler never mentioned Darwin as far as anybody knows, Hitler's anti-Semitism had nothing to do with Darwin, and anti-Semitism in Germany existed for centuries before Darwin was a gleam in his mother's eye.
Courtesy of DarwinCentral.org
Darwinism in it’s purest form is speculation, not science. It is not measurable, testable or repeatable. Darwinists are dunderheads who hope against hope that this tripe is true for fear of facing a righteous God who will condemn them for their unbelief.
Which demonstrates that Harvard is more interested in squashing debate by any means.
I think you're mistaken. There are lots of tests that can conducted under the rubric of evolutionary theory. Predictions of fossil ages and morphologies before they're discovered happens every day. Sometimes the predictions turn out to be correct, other times they're falsified, and in those cases, our understanding has to adjust to fit the available facts. It's how science works. There are genetic tests too that I'd be happy to talk about.
Darwinists are dunderheads
Do you really think name calling contributes to this discussion? Please try to take this seriously.
It’s only name calling when it isn’t true. Then, it’s simple honesty.
The Jews were not the only ones on Hitler’s list.
Gypsies, homosexuals, any person with mental or physical handicaps and certain Slavic groups were all murdered.
Hitler was into EUGENICS which is the practical application of SOCIAL DARWINISM.
Fair use is now theft? Better not quote from anyone else when answering a post then.
How many were expelled? Who were they?
Evolution, as a biological phenomenon, is testable to some extent. Atheistic Darwinism (i.e., “God had no role in this”), the only thing that intelligent design is in opposition to, is not testable. It’s an unprovable philosophical/religious position.
So you have given up arguing the details of the theory of evolution, and now are resorting to name-calling and character assassination? (And you're not even correct in that.)
Couldn't hack the science, eh?
Darwinism doesn’t exist except in creationists’ minds. Darwin was one link in a chain of science. There are no Darwinists. Science works. You know it. The Pope knows it. Even Ernest Angeley knows it. That’s why they go to the hospital rather than church when thay get sick. Creationists are the ultimate hypocrites. They live by science while denying it. Sort of like St.Peter denying Christ.
Check the law. There are significantly different guidelines regarding non-commercial vs. commercial products. Expelled is a commercial product.
Kinda looks like a like-minded circle jerk to me on that site. Just a bunch of Anti-Christians doin g what they do best.. feeling superior. Nothing witty at all just a bunch of like minded people stroking each others egos.
Hitler's eugenics are the direct result of Darwinian thought, "survival of the fittest". The "master race" was pure eugenics, and it was Darwin and his theory of evolution that provided the entire foundation for it. Trying to deny the complicity of Darwin and his theory, as the basis for eugenics and Hitler's Aryan master race, is the same as trying to deny that the Trinity has anything to do with the writings of the New Testament authors.
There are plenty of people who believe in evolution who have a strong faith in God.
There are creationist dunderheads who can't grasp that.
1) “So you have given up arguing the details of the theory of evolution, and now are resorting to name-calling and character assassination? (And you’re not even correct in that.)
2) Couldn’t hack the science, eh?”
1) Attacking whose character, Hitler’s?
2) I teach AP Physics and AP Chemistry (Master’s in Chem.)
Are you aware that Darwin did not originate the term "survival of the fittest?"
That came a decade or so later, and was coined by someone else. And it is not even accurate in the way it is generally used.
Those who survive to reproduce, and whose offspring also reproduce, are the "fittest." This leads to cooperation within groups, rather than "bloody in tooth and claw." Check out some anthropology and you might actually learn something.
Herman Spencer, not Darwin, coined this phrase. Like I said above, Darwin was one scientist in a chain. BTW, genetic engineering makes all this moot.
We need to get out and see this movie.
All this hubub about faith vs. science seems extremely silly, to me. I don't see any conflict between them. I am quite content to accept the findings of science where it can prove things to us, and do not find it at all at odds with anything in the Bible or my own belief. I think most people view it that way too.
Still, I do enjoy seeing the Oberstfuhrers of the atheistic priesthood driven into a foaming frenzy by Ben Stein and his little movie. I will definitely go see it with my family and church group to contribute to its box office. I'm tickled by the frenzy he's created.
Chill, boys. Relax. Have a drink, preferably single malt.
Spencer and Darwin were contemporaries and Darwin was aware of Spencers work. Unfortunately he did not know of Mendel, a Christian who validated Darwin's work by providing proof of the mechanism for natural selection.
My learning is just dandy, friend, thank you very much. You might learn something too if you step back from your Darwinian dogmatism.
The evolutionists continued attempts to attack this film means somethings up. I need to see this film ASAP. Their attacks certainly prove Mr. Stein’s point regarding their holier-than-thou arrogant attitude.
Bingo.
The entire concept of “survival of the fittest” and the eugenics movement was precipitated and instigated by Darwin. Period.
“The entire concept of “survival of the fittest” and the eugenics movement was precipitated and instigated by Darwin. Period.”
To the contrary: http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/profiles/spencer.htm
“it was Spencer, and not Darwin, who popularized the term “evolution” itself and coined the now-ubiquitous phrase, “survival of the fittest”.
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