Posted on 04/11/2008 4:48:54 AM PDT by Gamecock
American airlines begged the feds Thursday to let it keep its fleet aloft, saying the fastenings that need to be checked pose no safety threat.
The answer was no.
The airline has grounded 2,500 flights since Tuesday, causing chaos for passengers nationwide, while it inspects latches and clamps on wiring covers as required by the Federal Aviation Administration.
The FAA yesterday ordered the 300 Boeing MD-80 jets to remain parked while mechanics made sure wire ties were exactly 1 inch apart and clamps faced the right way.
More than 900 flights were scrapped yesterday, and the airport havoc is expected to stretch into the weekend.
"What needed doing was a long, long, long way from causing any safety concern," an airline spokesman said yesterday.
"That's why we went to the FAA and said, 'Folks, can we get the planes in the air while we inspect them, and not cancel any flights?'
"They said no. There is no court of appeals, so we had to do what they said."
The fastenings are on a plastic tube fitted to stop wires over wheel wells from chafing and short-circuiting.
Earlier inspections, which grounded 450 flights two weeks ago, had confirmed no wires had chafed - but failed to determine whether the fastenings were properly fitted.
Most of the planes checked needed the fastenings re-spaced, said American Airlines chairman Gerard Arpey.
"It's my fault," he said. "I run the company, and if there's any blame to be had, I take full responsibility."
Since March 12, 3,000 flights have been grounded by carriers - including United, Delta and American - for problems with fire-suppression systems, malfunctioning cockpit instruments and wiring.
The feds started an audit of all domestic maintenance reports after fining Southwest Airlines $10.2 million last month for flying dozens of planes without proper fuselage inspections.
At a hearing in Congress last week, whistle-blowers said the FAA had turned a blind eye to safety after building too-cozy relationships with the airlines they're supposed to police.
In the New York area yesterday, 70 flights were canceled at LaGuardia Airport and 18 at Newark. Kennedy was crippled by knock-on delays.
"The resulting chaos may have been avoidable," said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). "The FAA and the airlines need to come up with a plan so this rash of cancellations doesn't happen again."
At LaGuardia, American Airlines staff barred reporters from check-in desks as furious passengers fumed.
A group of refugees that arrived from Myanmar yesterday and were trying to get to Indianapolis sat bewildered, unable to speak English or understand what was happening.
New Yorker Brad Blair said, "I am furious." Blair, 31, of Gramercy Park, who was bound for Miami for his bachelor party, was trying to get on a 4 p.m. flight, five hours after his scheduled plane was canceled.
"It's my bachelor party, and they're holding us here at this damn airport," he said. "We have suffered for hours."
they're holding us here at this damn airport," he said. "We have suffered for hours."
Poor baby! All he wants to do is get to Miami so he can go to a strip club with his buddies....
Exactly 1 inch... is that center to center, or exactly one inch between them?
This is the lovely thing about government - a publicly held corporation has to take it in the shorts to meet a non-emergency ultimatum from the feds.
Cable tie spacing and wire clamps on aircraft wiring bundles are not emergency essential repairs for safety and could be performed at the next 100 hour check.
Instead, American is trapped in a PR disaster that is not necessarily of its own making.
“Exactly 1 inch... is that center to center, or exactly one inch between them?”
Oh crap, now they have to do all these inspections again. sheesh
If only the government could figure out how to profit from stupidity, all federal agencies would instantly become self supporting. Just think no more listening to democrats bad mouth the American worker with their “tax cuts for the rich” talking point.
Bears repeating. At least AMR is a bargain at the moment.
Not if they were supposed to have been performed three 100-hour checks ago. AA made their bed, and their passengers are now forced to lie in it. Postponing overdue maintenance checks under the Instructions for Continued Airworthiness isn't the answer, IMO.
I have no clue what happened to my original post!?!
They're being forced to lie in it by a band of petty tyrants with Napoleon issues at the FAA.
And top it off with more gov't interference, with Chucky Schumer telling both parties that the could have done something -- note that he offers no solution -- to make the process run more smoothly.
Yeah, more gov't! That's the ticket!!!
It sounds like American Airlines didn’t grease the correct palm
And it will turn out that the one inch spacing was an arbitrary decision to begin with. Why now 0.8”, or 1.25”?
Federal bureaucrats could ruin many businesses in just this fashion.
Southwest Airlines was fine $10 Million for flying aircraft that were not inspected. I bet American airlines lost more than that yesterday. They would have been better off telling the FAA to stuff it and go about business as usual and inspect their aircraft in a timely fashion..............
And do, I am sure. Locally, a building inspector was run out of town for enforcing earthquake codes ...in North Dakota.
(There is a reason I live here. If the ground starts shaking, either something big is coming, or something big blew up.)
I was thinking the same thing, way to convenient a number for it not to be completely arbitrary.
Probably only need to be 2" spacing but some engineer decided that 1" would be better yet, so it became a law engraved in stone.
In other words, if AA breaks the rules, they should be able to further break the rules because it’s inconvenient? Sorry - I strongly disagree. AA failed to fulfill its past obligation, and a “promise” to make up the arrears does not alleviate their responsibility for the situation.
The FAA wouldn't switch gears like this all on its own. Either Congress or W is yelling at them with no consideration for the needless economic costs, which makes me lean toward W.
I didn't know Boeing manufactured the McDonnell-Douglas MD-80 ;^)
I didn’t know Boeing manufactured the McDonnell-Douglas MD-80.......................
They do now. McD-D is part of Boeing
Mc Donald was bought by Boeing.
I knew the CEO of Mc Donald that was retired out when they were bought and still do work on their home in Rancho Santa Fe.
Sorry to say, he died of pancreatic cancer a number of years ago.
First, obviously, is to support the cable(s) during all anticipated g loading. It probably does not matter if the spacing is 1 inch, or 1.25, or 0.75... There is probably plenty of strength. Exactly 1 inch sounds like a nice round number for the convenience of the assembler and inspector, not an exact engineering requirement.
Second, is so that the cables don't flex, rubbing against other cables/wires in the assembly or any nearby structures and abrade through insulation. This requirement is there for the long haul. A few more hours flight time with marginal ties isn't going to make any difference. If you're looking at thousands of hours over the lifetime of the aircraft, yes, you want to minimize this effect. But a dozen more hops? I doubt it would make any perceptible difference.
I think AA got it in the shorts from the FAA. I'd have flown on any of those aircraft...
It would not be unusual for this to have some surprising consequences.
But engineering requirements don't matter if you're a power-mad bureaucrat trying to show the productive and profit-earning people, who for some unfathomable reason have to do what you say, who's boss.
As a former QA instpector in a past life (on submarines, not aircraft), there is no there is no room for interpretation and there are no optional steps.
Yeah, it was a pain to make sure exactly three threads showed past a bolt, or that lockwire had the requisite number of twists per inch, or that fastener materials were the exact same material.
As a result, I could go to any ship and look at any boundary whether it was a hull valve, a dynamic seal, a dashpot or whatever and know for fact though audit trail and visual inspection that work was done the exact same way everywhere. Since my number of dives are exactly equal to my number of surfaces it must’ve counted for something, which I can’t say for a lot of folks from the days when QA wasn’t quite so rigorous.
You can bet China doesn't have a bunch of nosy Federal bureaucrats looking at the way they make toys, drugs, food, aircraft ...
Could be about something else altogether, if you want to be paranoid. Could be a cover to check to see if some folks were planning on leaving something additional in the aircraft...maybe go boom. Just a thought cuz the stated reason seems a bit of a stretch.
Bad, bad computer.
While I understand your comment, the underlying concept in this AA case is wrong. The wire-ties will not prevent chafing, merely delay its onset. Correct prevention would require a different method of passing the required signals between the points of contact; a larger conductor with a heavier insulation, a separate enclosing insulating cover, re-routing to prevent any flexion.
The three-thread indicator shows that the correct torque was in place, and verifying that the spacing of the internal space was within a set allowance of part compression. Likewise, the lockwire relies on tension to verify that the wire itself is correctly tensioned and holding the nut from vibrating free. Different materials provide for different tolerances of torque.
The wire-ties don't do any of those valid attributes, they are necessary, but should not be used as a safety item.
This was another in the long line of government bureaucrats exercising bully-boy tactics that have no valid reason besides a show of force. AA should have pushed back, and flown.
Yes and no. Again, we have to look at the details, here (the devil's always in the details). The point of the requirement was to prevent wire chafing around the landing gear mechanisms. Cable ties or no cable ties, if there is constant rubbing of any component against a wiring bundle, over time, you will get chafing and wear.
According to the article, the inspections showed that with/without the new requirement, chafing was occuring. To avoid the potential for chafing, the wiring bundles would have to be re-routed away from the source of the chafing (i.e. the landing gear mechanism); simply adding cable ties every inch and orienting cable clamps on't do anything to prevent chafing/wear if the bundle is not removed from the source of the chafing. To do that would require all new wiring bundles to be installed that would take the A/C out of service for a longer period of time because, in most cases, wire splices are not permitted by the FAA. Wire bundles in aircraft tend to have almost zero extra length and tend to comply with very strict length requirements.
So, again, this is all for show and the FAA is just flexing its muscles to prove that it can. But, here's a question for you - How many politicians or FAA officials do you think were inconvenienced by this? My bet is NONE.
“there is no there is no room for interpretation and there are no optional steps”
Agreed. I think that attitude is why we haven’t lost a boat in a long time.
Having worked under guys like you, I wasn’t always too happy about this attitude, but I always understood it!!
Not to be contrary, but I see it the other way around. Making a further exception to the rule would be the result of some individual in the FAA flexing their muscles - and bypassing the plain meaning of the ruling. The inspections were either not done or done improperly. They are overdue.
I fail to see how enforcing a ruling in the face of violations of the ruling is "flexing muscle". It's a matter of compliance (in the certification sense of the word).
The FAA was **seriously embarrassed** by letting SW sluf on exterior crack inspections - they (FAA) were accused of being too cozy...
How do you ‘prove’ you aren't too Cory?
Why screw the next guy in line of course.
It's about EGO, not safety....
QA is a nice thing, too many things tend to fall off of aircraft otherwise.
Exactly!
If it were submitted to the FAA with spacing at a minimum of 10' apart and approved the issue wouldn't exist.
If they vary from approved data then it has to be submitted and approved again.
If not, then what good does it do to have approved data in the first place?
Just toss the aircraft together any way one deems fit personally and hope for the best?
Many within the FAA however if there were to be an incident because of the variance and those PMI's within the FAA let it ride unchecked.
I think I’ve asked this before, but is your screen name a reflection of what you do (or have done in the past) for a living? And are you in the Redmond area (I’m based near Kansas City, myself, working in the aircraft systems certification arena).
Yes and no in that order.
It's my butt if something happens to an aircraft after I have deemed it to be airworthy by a simple (sarc) signature.
I do design approvals (TSO software). I know what you mean!
If that were the case, i could agree with you, but it isn't. AA wasn't trying to bypass or circumvent the requirement, they were trying to get the FAA to work with them and allow them to conduct the inspections in a way that didn't impact their schedule to this degree. Again, this is NOT an emergrency situation. My job requires me to fly a lot and if it were an emergency, I'd be on your side. It simply isn't.
Lastly, once the inspections are completed, the issue isn't gone. AA as well as every other airline sold a ticket to provide goods or services. That ticket serves as a contract between the airline and the customer. If/when AA is sued for not keeping up its end of its obligation as the result of this silliness on the part of the FAA, who will (likely) get the judgement against them - AA or the FAA?
Ah yes!
I understand your mindset much better now as to the importance of inhering to approved data! : D
I just got back from around your area early this AM. Left St. Louis monsoons and was greeted by snow and slush runways in MSP.
I think you nailed it!!
Prove that to be true and take personal responsibility for it then.
You couldn't speak up sooner, could you!?!
I'll wait while they grease the jackscrew too.....
I don't mind that my flight was 5 hours late. I don't even mind that they dumped me off at a closed airport this morning at 1:00 AM. What p!sses me off to no end, however, is my luggage not arriving with me.
Attention all airlines: People like to fly with their luggage!
The FAA should have enforced the rules all along... But they did not, and we have this mess.
I blame the FAA as much as the airlines.
BTW, what airlines have all of their maintenance done in Guatemala? Talk about your warm fuzzy feelings.....
They were given 18 months starting in 2006. They failed to comply. How does this make it a problem on the side of the FAA?
Words mean something, 1 “ means 1” not 1.25” but 1”.
Some FAA Inspector having a bad day make a big deal of a matter that should have been addressed when it was due.
Both the airline and more important the FAA are to blame.
But who suffers? Not the FAA for their part, but the airline for their lack of perfroming the inspections as required, and the public who has no voice at all in this closter fu**.
Will the FAA get fined for not performing their job as required, yea the day after hel* freezes over.
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