Skip to comments.BREAKING US to admit officially that Saddam WMDs were moved to Syria in a report to come !!!!!
Posted on 04/11/2008 8:33:43 AM PDT by drzz
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Unfortunately, that's a large number orf people.
And coming 6-7 months before the election, they'll all say "BS!"
I strongly believe the UN helped buy him time to smuggle them out.
Hence why they kept stalling on the resolution votes.
The Bush administration will admit that Saddam had nukes?
I will believe it when I see it.
We have had many documents posted on this forum that proved WMD. But the GOP and White House never talked about it.
Likely because to do so would have been to endanger operatives and/or compromise strategy. A sane America would have accepted the pre-war intelligence that there were trucks laden with who-knows-what headed to Syria, but the braying by Old Hippie America and its acolytes was so loud, and so constant, as to obfuscate anything but their wailing, amplified by the complicit mainstream media.
Seldom, if ever, in wartime has an Administration had to deal with such a traitorous segement of society, such a traitorous press and a such a traitorous Congress baying, "The President's a liar! There are no weapons! Waaaaaaah!"
Under the cold light of history, it may well be remembered that America's resolve in the 21st Century War on Terror was weakened to allow nothing more than a nostalgia trip for a bunch of long-in-the-tooth 20th Century hippies looking for one last "revolution" before they finally kicked the bucket.
As it was in the '60s and '70s, so it is today: These people are idiots, and if the pro-socialist press wasn't enabling them, they would have long ago been laughed out of existence.
Will the left call Israel liars?
Possible. They’re dumb enough..
We will see.
Yea, well lets see if one major publication or broadcast news source even bothers to mention this report when its released.
Not thinking the 'worst' of them, the issue could be they had constant surveillance of where they were and they didn't want to tip off whomever had them to panic and hide them. They may have made the decision that as long as they were able to track them, they were not a threat. This may be why that 20 tons of nerve gas was so quickly captured several years ago.. they never did say where that originated from.
I don’t believe it.
(I believe there were WMDs moved to Syria, always have, but I have a very hard time believing we’ll actually say it, and even if we do, the news will be silent and the Bush administration will let them.)
No way. The Dems told us that there were NO WMD in Iraq. Period. How could something that didn’t exist, be transferred by someone who wasn’t a threat to us? Nancy, Harry, Chris, Chuck, Dick, Obama, please explain?
99 percent chance this is not correct.
There will be a denial by Monday.
Before Israel, with our help would be allowed to commit an act of war by attacking another country, you can bet the reasons were both compelling and overwhelmingly evident as to Syria being a threat of serious proportions.
No one seriously doubts Iraq had WMD. It's only a question of what Hussein did with them. I believe the truth is about to come out and I believe this truth has been known for a long period of time. The poster who said the left will go nuts about this is right. As bad as they now look regarding national security, they will take a monumenrtal hit on this revelation and we will see all their comments about “no WMD” played over and over again.
Poker is a matter of holding your cards close to the vest till its time to play em
PLAY EM NOW!!!!
I doubt it. I think it is far more likely they will do what they’ve done to the evidence AFOSI investigator Dave Gaubatz. They will hide, ignore, talk over, around, and deny, this. IF this sees any REAL airtime on ANY major news network, or in congress AT ALL i will be shocked. SHOCKED!
But wait, but wait..............this is done for the liar George Bush with the help of the Jews......come on, we can’t believe Bush cronies and the Jews, can we?
When is this report going to be released?
I think the "man's first steps on the moon were staged from Texas" group still needs to be informed.
The J-Post story was dated 4-7 and was posted here at that time. Nothing new here and therefore not “breaking news.”
Think Obama... deep down he thinks it too he is a loon.
There will be those on FR who will likely say the same thing.
The most promising, without being very promising, scenario I can imagine is for focus to be put on the pictures of convoys of trucks moving "something" into Syria. There has never been an honest inquiry into what the parties' explanations for that might be, and an open national discussion into the episode should be welcomed by all fair-minded citizens of every stripe.
When the Rooskies claim Photoshop mischief, the truck drivers' testimonies can be trotted out. When their testimony is claimed to have been compensated by "Big Oil" or some such, other evidence can be cited. Soon enough, the empty questions from the Left matched with multiple aspects of corroborating evidence from the White House, Tel Aviv, hidden Iraqi documents, jveritas and many other sources, in combination with the anti-US, military bashing and enemy-appeasing BS we've seen from the Left non-stop may well spring a leak in the dam of public opinion, such that, by election time everybody and his brother will reflexively peg the meter with an anti-Dhimmi comment about how they're no good for the country's security.
This will ring all-the-louder-and-more-clearly if Hizbullah ramps up into all-out war with Israel before November.
The left knows this...trucks were backed up from the Syrian border half the way back to Baghdad before we initiated Shock and Awe. We all saw the footage on TV and read the reports that weapons were being secreted across the border. Bush needs to finally say something publicly and show the footage while he speaks. the left has gotten away with their lies and have damaged our credibility as a nation for long enough!
If true, how many of these senators and reps knew it but still claimed Bush lied, hoping that it would remain top secret?
Let's hope so. I have said before on FR and others have agreed that at the first of the invasion of Iraq there was film footage of trucks moving out of Iraq at night. I thought I may have dreamed it because I never heard of it again but others can attest to the footage as well.
I this the long awaited information drop?
The french did that for two reasons:
First, frence was complicit just like russia in selling precursors and necessary equipment and supplies for saddam to re constitute his program, and was doing so at great profit behind the UN and the US’s backs. France was profiting handsomely for it. its not the first time. France was a co founder of the Isreali nuclear deterrent too, by the way. I dont mind that, but point it out as an example of france being a serious WMD proliferator.
Second, France not only allowed the delay to cover their tracks by allowing the goods to be moved, but it allowed them to sell other things too. Like, perhaps, anti tank missiles, night vision systems, surface to air missiles, and Jamming devices supposedly helpful in disrupting JDAM guidance kis.
A third potential reason is loss of revenue. seeing saddam toppled means they would lose all that under the table money and long term business.
Yeah. gotta love our friends the french. Way to go NATO. The germans arent much better. do a look at what Seimens sells, and to whom. youd be shocked, as i was.
so insofar as the french are concerned, you know why the delay now.
Sad but true. The country just gets more and more stupid. I shudder to think what our future will be. Public schools dole out leftist propoganda day after day to school populations that are up to 70% from single parent homes where they get very little support and discipline. It almost makes me happy to be in such poor health.
We already *knew* this—could this finally be the proof that
President Bush was RIGHT?!?
This flimsy story has already been posted.
Dec. 3, 2003
On another issue, UNMOVIC said advanced testing and analysis had indicated that the strain of anthrax found on R400 bombs that Iraq declared that it unilaterally destroyed was the same strain that it had earlier declared to have weaponized.
Looks like the Dims are in trouble. Didn’t they have access to this intel?
This is what I said all along. What did they think was in those truck convoys? Tomatoes?
Before the *first Gulf War...But then the Iranians wouldn’t give them back afterwards, so that’s why he sent his ABC stuff to Syria...that is, what the Russians didn’t take back home.
just as they ignored that saddam had hid planes in the desert
Surely you jest...yeah, I know, don't call you Surely...given the Dem activists in that organization. These folks said it a long time ago:
On June 9th , the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council about the export of Iraqi WMD, missile and nuclear components shipped out of Iraq before, during and after the invasion. As reported by MENL news service, UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the Council, "The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," and said inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.
The World Tribune reported on Perricos's briefing. "He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month... The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ... required for the production of chemical and biological warheads. 'It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for,' Perricos's spokesman, said. 'You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax.'"
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria."
"Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.
Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.
"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.
Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."
In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.
"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.
Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.
In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.
"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said."
"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."
"Two days before the war, on March 17th, we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and techinical (satellite,eavesdrop) intelligence - large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 Iraqis, going to Syria."
See also: What Charles Duelfer Missed
1) Well-intentioned people in different branches of government and/or CIA vs. WH have different ideas as to the impact of information. For ex., in Afghanistan, the CIA's line was "we couldn't be involved," even though we were obviously involved. Thus the charade of all weapons being Soviet or East Bloc that were "captured" had to be maintained until 1986 when Casey finally approved the Stingers.
One group favored a "slow bleed" and thought that if we didn't push the Soviets to the point that they actually increased their troop involvement and won the war, we would be able to slowly tear them apart. This was the official Reagan strategy, because they were focused on building up the strategic assets, on economic war, and on the Contras.
The second group, led by CIA rouge insiders, Charlie Wilson, and several influential civilians, sought to "win." They tried to push the CIA to get more involved. But the CIA desperately feared that too much American involvement would result in the Soviets simply moving on Pakistan and/or getting India to do it, with Russia's support. So you can see the validity of their concerns.
At its peak, the operations involved SAUDIA ARABIA matching all U.S. spending for the muj on ISRAELI designed and built weapons (which were used as long as there were no Stars of David on them), as well as CHINESE provided weapons, all of which were funneled through PAKISTAN without a single identifying American mark on them!!!
2) What comes out is that there are very good reasons for keeping things secret. Gust Avrakodos, Wilson's partner-in-crime, thought that he as a spy was at his best when he accomplished his mission and the press was convinced he had failed. Therefore, "bad press" for CIA operations was often an indicator that, in fact, they had achieved all their goals.
One could therefore conceive of any number of reasons not to publicize that the WMDs were spirited away with, say, RUSSIAN, FRENCH, or GERMAN assistance under the agreement that the SYRIANS would lock them up or destroy them. Perhaps Syria reneged; perhaps the Israelis just learned of the agreement; perhaps they decided they couldn't trust Syria; perhaps the French or Germans suddenly "gave permission" to take them out . . . .
National Security & Defense
WMDs Found in Iraq Posted Nov 9, 2005
Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.
Consider these shocking facts:
Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons
Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas
Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin
Plus the anthrax bombs UNMOVIC was testing in Dec 2003, from USA Today, link posted in #86 just above.
That's because other wartime administrations were competent.
Hopefully, however I have some doubts that this is going to happen, i.e. US officials announcing that Saddam WMD went to Syria. Let us wait and see.
If he had any decency left in him - it would have been the day he praised the socialist leftist abortionist Obama.
Yossef BODANSKY - The secret history of the Iraq war
BODANSKY is the ex-director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare
In The Secret History of the Iraq War, bestselling author Yossef Bodansky offers an astonishing new account of the war and its aftermath — a war that was doomed from the start, he argues, by the massive and systemic failures of the American intelligence community. Drawing back the curtain of politicized debate, Bodansky — a longtime expert and director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare — reveals that nearly every aspect of America’s conflict with Iraq has been misunderstood, in both the court of public opinion and the White House itself. Among his revelations:
The most authoritative account of Saddam Hussein’s support for Islamic terrorist organizations — including extensive new reporting on his active cooperation with al-Qaeda in Iraq long after the fall of Baghdad
Extensive new information on Iraq’s major chemical and biological weapons programs — including North Korea’s role in building still-undetected secret storage facilities and Iraq’s transfer of banned materials to Syria, Iran, and Libya
The first account of Saddam’s plan for Iraq, Syria, and Iran to join Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian forces to attack Israel, throw the region into turmoil, and upend the American campaign
The untold story of Russia’s attempt to launch a coup against Saddam before the war — and how the CIA thwarted it by ensuring that Iraq was forewarned
Dramatic details about Saddam’s final days on the run, including the untold story of a near miss with U.S. troops and the stunning revelation that Saddam was already in custody at the time of his capture — and was probably betrayed by members of his own Tikriti clan
The definitive account of the anti-U.S. resistance and uprising in Iraq, as the American invasion ignited an Islamic jihad and Iran-inspired intifada, threatening to plunge the region into irreversible chaos fueled by hatred and revenge
Revelations about the direct involvement of Osama bin Laden in the terrorism campaigns in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the rest of the Middle East — including the major role played by Iran and HizbAllah in al-Qaeda’s operations
The response to that one is that Iraq manufactured these weapons and were only transported to Syria after the U.S. invasion.