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War Without End: Petraeus Wants To Halt Troop Withdrawals [Helen Thomas]
WCBV-TV Boston ^ | April 9, 2008 | Helen Thomas

Posted on 04/11/2008 12:29:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

WASHINGTON -- Surprise, surprise. Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, wants to put a halt to any more troop withdrawals for the foreseeable future.

The highly politicized Petraeus seemed to be dutifully following his White House marching orders when he testified before congressional committees earlier this week.

Under his scenario, there will be no drawdown of U.S. forces in that strife-ridden country until President Bush leaves office.

That’s fine with Bush, who obviously has no intention of ending this futile war on his watch. Apparently feeling no responsibility for starting the war, Bush is planning to pass the Iraqi debacle on to his successor.

You can forget accountability for the yet-to-be defined U.S. military mission that has taken more than 4,000 American lives, possibly a million Iraqi lives and destroyed a country.

Think of President Harry Truman and President Lyndon B. Johnson, who both understood that war was too important to be left to the generals in the field.

Truman fired the popular Gen. Douglas MacArthur because he disobeyed orders in the Korean War. Johnson knew that he had reached the endgame in Vietnam when Gen. William Westmoreland, the top commander in Vietnam, requested 240,000 more troops in 1968 for the prolonged war that also could not be won.

Those two presidents finally drummed up enough courage to just say “no.”

Petraeus is too smart to be pinned down on when the U.S. can pull out more troops, especially when there’s been a new flare-up of sectarian violence in Iraq. Let’s say he is careful and self-protective, trying to hold on.

When Petraeus testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., told him: “What you have given to your chain of command is a plan which has no end to it.”

The general replied: “Withdrawing too many forces too quickly could jeopardize the progress of the past year.” Congress should wake up before it’s too late and listen to retired Army Lt. Gen. William Odom, former director of the National Security Agency.

NSA is the nation’s largest intelligence agency, which monitors messages from all over the world.

Odom testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week and urged an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. He claimed the troop surge (escalation) has prolonged instability in Iraq and that the only “sensible strategy” is “rapid withdrawal.”

In a separate speech last week, the outspoken general said, “We are certainly to blame for the chaos in Iraq” but “we do not have the physical means to prevent it.”

Odom said the military situation in Iraq is worsened by “the proliferation of armed groups under local military chiefs who follow a proliferating number of political bosses.”

“We are witnessing…the road to Balkanization of Iraq, that is political fragmentation,” Odom said

War makes strange bedfellows.

The Sunnis are now on our side -- if we continue to pay them enough, of course. They would be happy to see the U.S. attack Shiite-dominated Iran. Odom said those new-found friends threaten to defect unless their fees are increased.

“The concern we hear the president and his aides express about a residual base left for al-Qaida if we withdraw is utter nonsense, “ Odom said. “The Sunnis will destroy al-Qaida if we leave Iraq,” he added. “The Kurds will not allow them in their

Although the U.S. economic recession is expected to dominate the presidential election race, Iraq won’t be on the back burner if the Petraeus hearings are any guide.

The three presidential hopefuls -- Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz.; Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. and Barack Obama, D-Ill. -- showed up at the high-profile hearings where Petraeus testified.

As expected, staunch-war supporter McCain said any promise to withdraw U.S. forces “would constitute a failure of political and moral leadership.”

In their disappointing comments, the Democratic rivals were as cautious as Petraeus.

Clinton said, “It’s time to begin an orderly withdrawal of our troops.”

Obama told Petraeus that while he wants U.S. troops out of Iraq, he “would not initiate a precipitous withdrawal.”

Ohio’s GOP Sen. George Voinovich seemed to express the frustration best when he told Petraeus: “The American people have had it up to here.”

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Helen Thomas can be reached at hthomas@hearstdc.com.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: congress; davidpetraeus; iraq; petraeus
How did President Lincoln handle that war, Helen, or President Madison? Surely, you were there to see it. Oh, and I don't recall LBJ saying "no" to Westmoreland, but if Miss Thomas says so, it must be the truth. This Lebanese Arab hag isn't fit to dig General Petraeus's slit trench, IMO.

Remember the rules for a Helen Thomas article!

1 posted on 04/11/2008 12:31:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No Picture!


2 posted on 04/11/2008 12:33:58 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Think of President Harry Truman and President Lyndon B. Johnson, who both understood that war was too important to be left to the generals in the field. ..”

Typical liberal. Sees things exactly opposite of how they should be.


3 posted on 04/11/2008 12:34:40 PM PDT by sappy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The highly politicized Petraeus seemed to be dutifully following his White House marching orders when he testified before congressional committees earlier this week.”

That’s right, you old bag, because the President is the C-in-C. Is she senile?


4 posted on 04/11/2008 12:35:58 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"SQUAAAAAAWWWK!"

5 posted on 04/11/2008 12:36:28 PM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: rocksblues

Too Late!


6 posted on 04/11/2008 12:36:44 PM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: Slapshot68

You really have to ask?


7 posted on 04/11/2008 12:37:25 PM PDT by benjibrowder
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To: Slapshot68
The highly politicized Petraeus

She is right on this one. He is not 'highly political', but they have 'highly politicized' him...

8 posted on 04/11/2008 12:37:44 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes
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To: rocksblues; 2ndDivisionVet
No Picture!....Pictures!....thanks, for your post(s)


9 posted on 04/11/2008 12:38:15 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Rats can't do anything except criticize. If they get elected and start pulling troops then Iraq suddenly becomes a terrorist safe-haven it will be the Rats holding the bag. President Bush's policy laid the groundwork for success whether the Rats like it or not so it would be in their best interest to try and get elected through victory in Iraq instead of their defeatism today.
10 posted on 04/11/2008 12:39:31 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This column is a perfect example to show how Helen Thomas is pure, undulterated ‘Rat poo

She is blatantly lying from start to finish about what Petraeus said. There was no call to end all troop withdrawals for the “forseeable future” or until after the Bush admin. Petraeus recommended a 45 day pause this summer after we get back down to 140,000. That is mere basic prudence, a brief period to evaluate and see what the evolving situation looks like.


11 posted on 04/11/2008 12:46:39 PM PDT by Enchante (Hillary: I brought peace to Northern Ireland, I dodged sniper bullets in Bosnia....... HUH???)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Surprise, surprise.

This is what passes for objective journalism?

12 posted on 04/11/2008 12:48:31 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: rocksblues
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13 posted on 04/11/2008 12:51:53 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That’s fine with Bush, who obviously has no intention of ending this futile war on his watch. Apparently feeling no responsibility for starting the war, Bush is planning to pass the Iraqi debacle on to his successor.

No bias here, nope. The media is still highly impartial I see.

14 posted on 04/11/2008 12:52:23 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ohio’s GOP Sen. George Voinovich seemed to express the frustration best when he told Petraeus: “The American people have had it up to here.”

LET ME FINISH THIS STATEMENT....“The American people have had it up to here... (with jackasses like me pretending to care about the GOP and my constituents.)”

15 posted on 04/11/2008 12:54:15 PM PDT by oust the louse (Terrorists are salivating over a Clinton or Obama White House.)
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Oh, where to start here... How about an homage to SNL... "Helen, you ignorant slut!"

The highly politicized Petraeus seemed to be dutifully following his White House marching orders when he testified before congressional committees earlier this week.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this... Helen, a dedicated leftist who puts down a general for actually following the Constitution of the United States. Following the "marching orders" of the civilian Commander in Chief. Of course she would have contempt for this, as we all know how leftists like Helen LOVE military dictators, like Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez. Of course, they don't like ALL military dictators. They absolutely hate those who are actually friendly to the USA.

Think of President Harry Truman and President Lyndon B. Johnson, who both understood that war was too important to be left to the generals in the field.

Hey Helen, in case you didn't notice, when those presidents decided that "war was too important to be left to the generals in the field" we've lost those wars, or they're still going on more than 50 years since the start.

Petraeus is too smart to be pinned down on when the U.S. can pull out more troops, especially when there’s been a new flare-up of sectarian violence in Iraq. Let’s say he is careful and self-protective, trying to hold on.

Of course he's just being cagey, playing CYA... I'm sure that it has nothing to do with the fact that THEY'RE FIGHTING A F*****G WAR HERE, AND THE WAY YOU DECIDE THAT THE WAR IS OVER IS WHEN YOU'VE WON OR LOST THE WAR!!!!!! Helen, do you have to work at being this incredibly stupid?

Ohio’s GOP Sen. George Voinovich seemed to express the frustration best when he told Petraeus: “The American people have had it up to here.”

Isn't Voinovich the guy who broke down in tears in the well of the senate while giving a speech over the war? I'm sure that he really struck fear into the hearts of our enemies and instilled respect for the power of the US for those who wish to kill us. Good person to quote, Helen.

Mark

16 posted on 04/11/2008 12:57:06 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: sappy

Amazing comment from a liberal. Two wars that we backed out of that cost millions of lives.


17 posted on 04/11/2008 12:58:34 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Odom” is Arabic for “Pol Pot”


18 posted on 04/11/2008 1:00:07 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...mission that has taken more than 4,000 American lives, possibly a million Iraqi lives...”

Keep trumpeting the lies. Eventually, no one will know what the truth is.


19 posted on 04/11/2008 1:02:17 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No pictures of Helen, PLEASE:-)


20 posted on 04/11/2008 1:11:53 PM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: MarkL
"Think of President Harry Truman and President Lyndon B. Johnson, who both understood that war was too important to be left to the generals in the field. "

Clearly she has not been taught proper history. This statement should read:
"Think of President Harry Truman and President Lyndon B. Johnson, who both neither of whom understood that war was too important to be left to the generals politicians in the field cozy offices."
21 posted on 04/11/2008 1:13:09 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: rocksblues

and, she thinks it will work again.


22 posted on 04/11/2008 1:14:04 PM PDT by sappy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
War makes strange bedfellows.

What would Helen Thomas know about "bedfellows"?

23 posted on 04/11/2008 1:17:51 PM PDT by Octar
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To: sappy

That old crone is a disgrace to America.
I wish I could express my true feelings about her and her treasonous writings, but, sigh, I couldn’t bear to be apart from you all for three days sitting out my suspension by Jim-Rob....


24 posted on 04/11/2008 1:31:04 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I had the exact same conversation in my head with some choice profanities........


25 posted on 04/11/2008 2:10:50 PM PDT by sappy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What Helen Thomas knows about conducting and winning a war wouldn’t fill a teacup...


26 posted on 04/11/2008 3:17:02 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

And while Helen prattles on with this perspective, the FACT that the Rodham rodent ppoint blank asked Petraeus in open hearings just what would losing look like ... in effect coming to the aid of al qaeda to find out just what qaeda and the Islamofascists must do to garner democrat forced withdrawal of our forces there. The democrap party is the greatest threat to this Republic, far more dangerous than al qaeda in the long run. And the sheeple dance merrily along worshipping one or the other socialist DNC candidate.


27 posted on 04/11/2008 3:20:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OMG - She actually thinks LBJ was a good wartime president? I don’t know what to say. It’s like talking to someone who thinks the earth is flat.


28 posted on 04/12/2008 6:16:15 AM PDT by Sci Fi Guy (Brian De Palma hates America)
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