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Franco 'Collaborated With Nazis' To Prove Canary Islands Were Home To Aryan Race
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-11-2008 | Fiona Govan

Posted on 04/11/2008 7:42:50 PM PDT by blam

Franco 'collaborated with Nazis' to prove Canary Islands were home to Aryan race

By Fiona Govan in Madrid
Last Updated: 7:12pm BST 11/04/2008

Spanish archaeologists collaborated with the Nazis in their attempts to prove the theory of Aryan supremacy and justify their claims of racial superiority over the Jews, according to a new book.

Spain wanted to promote the idea that the Aryan race could be traced to the Canary Islands, amid claims they were all that remained of the lost continent of Atlantis.

Archaeologists appointed by Franco were asked to look into claims the Canary Islands were the remains of Atlantis

Scientists from the Ahnenerbe, an institute set up by Heinrich Himmler and funded by the SS, planned to travel to the Atlantic islands to carry out research but were forced to postpone the project when war broke out in September 1939.

They appointed archaeologist Julio Martinez Santa Olalla, a friend of the dictator General Franciso Franco, to conduct investigations on their behalf.

The extent of the collaboration between Franco’s archaeologists and those in Nazi Germany has been revealed in a new book by Francisco Gracia Alonso, professor of history at the University of Barcelona.

Prof Gracia reveals the close relationship between Santa Olalla and the Ahnenerbe, which was founded to investigate "the science of ancient intellectual history".

Himmler’s organisation sent German scholars around the world to discover the roots of the Aryan race, leading them to examine Bronze Age carvings in Sweden, forgotten folk customs in Finland and even to Tibet to explore claims that Buddha himself was of Aryan descent.

Its scientists were occupied in searching for such legendary objects as Thor’s Hammer and the Holy Grail but were also responsible for carrying out medical experiments on Jews in concentration camps.

The Ahnenerbe’s findings were used to justify Hitler’s belief that true Germans were descended from an Aryan ideal.

Prof Gracia believes that the Spanish fascists had expressed interest in setting up a similar unit under Franco, following his victory in the Spanish Civil War.

"They wanted to create something similar in Spain in order to maintain control over the ideological basis of the country’s archaeology and prehistory," he said. Jose Luis Arrese, one of Franco’s ministers, had held discussions with Himmler over the matter.

The book has uncovered evidence that Himmler’s unit funded Spanish excavations, providing expensive photographic equipment and lending aircraft to carry out aerial surveys of sites.

Plans were laid for joint excavations of Visigoth sites on mainland Spain and on the Canary Islands where the Nazis hoped to find evidence of an ancestral race of Aryans.

The theory had been a favourite of the first head of the Ahnenerbe, Herman Wirth, who propounded that the islands were remnants of Atlantis.

"An expedition that was supposed to take place in 1939, under the direction of Otto Huth, an Ahnenerbe researcher specializing in ancient spiritual Aryan beliefs, was postponed indefinitely because of World War II," said Prof Gracia.

After that it was left to Santa Olalla to inform the Germans of research carried out by Spanish teams.

"He made several visits to Germany, had his papers published by the Ahnenerbe and toured Nazi Germany giving lecture tours," said Prof Gracia, who added that there was no evidence that he had participated in anything more sinister.

The collaboration came to an abrupt end with the fall of Nazi Germany. Several leading scholars from the Ahnenerbe were sentenced to death in the Nuremberg trials for their part in the Holocaust.


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; aryan; atlantis; canary; canaryislands; europe; franco; godsgravesglyphs; nazi; naziz; origins; spain; worldhistory; ww2

1 posted on 04/11/2008 7:42:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Gaunches - Canary Island - DNA Project

2 posted on 04/11/2008 7:46:30 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
You gotta give credit where credit is do , and those Spaniards have been world class minglers for centuries .
3 posted on 04/11/2008 7:51:22 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: blam

12,000 Years ago

8,000 Years Ago

Check out the DNA haplotypes of the Gaunches linked in post #1 as compared to these migration maps.

4 posted on 04/11/2008 7:51:35 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Wellll I guess we will never know if the supposed Aryans were ever on the Canary Islands. Sure is strange to read what was going on in these peoples minds of the Hitler era and what plans they had.
5 posted on 04/11/2008 7:55:27 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: blam
Extinct Ancient Societies Gaunches of the Canary Islands
6 posted on 04/11/2008 7:55:49 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
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7 posted on 04/11/2008 8:00:37 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
It looks like some Cajuns may be able to join the Gaunches DNA project (Post #7):

Something You Didn't Know About Cajuns (Ilenos, Canary Islands)

8 posted on 04/11/2008 8:03:28 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Thanks Blam. Hitler also had a group of philosophers from Tibet, and had the SS plant the swastika flag on a mountain in the Caucasus that was supposed to be sacred to the Aryans. He liked to cover all the bases, and as he said, "we don't have to be coherent." ;')

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9 posted on 04/11/2008 8:47:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: blam

> Franco ‘collaborated with Nazis’ to prove Canary Islands were home to Aryan race

I can’t say I’m surprised. Franco was a nasty piece of work.


10 posted on 04/11/2008 8:51:04 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: blam
Prof Gracia believes that the Spanish fascists had expressed interest in setting up a similar unit under Franco, following his victory in the Spanish Civil War.

I'm not sure the professor's "beliefs" should be quoted as though they are fact. Franco defeated the Left (communists and socialists) in the Spanish Civil War. He got help from the Nazis, who also hated the Left.

Whatever this business in the Canary Islands was about, I think the only thing that would motivate Franco to go along with it was that Germany was providing something which helped Franco to strengthen his regime or to help Spain economically or defensively. Franco was not a Nazi. He was just a Spanish dictator.

11 posted on 04/11/2008 8:59:14 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: DieHard the Hunter
” Franco ‘collaborated with Nazis’”

***I can’t say I’m surprised. Franco was a nasty piece of work.***

But he absolutely refused to allow the nazis to place artillery in Spain that could have bombarded Gibraltar.

12 posted on 04/11/2008 9:04:04 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I also understood he saved the lives of thousands of Jews - sheltering or giving visas to them, or giving them sanctuary? (sorry I don’t remember the details, but he quietly saved many) - so credit where credit is due.


13 posted on 04/11/2008 9:07:07 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: Marie2
Is it true that Fransisco Franco saved Jews during world war 2 in Spain?
14 posted on 04/11/2008 9:14:21 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

***I can’t say I’m surprised. Franco was a nasty piece of work.***

He also refused to be goaded by Hitler and Mussolini into joining the Axis powers in the war.


15 posted on 04/11/2008 9:17:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: blam

“Sinai Heritage Director Rabbi Yitschak Rudomin argued that the Axis powers were not entirely responsible for the deaths of the six million Jews during the World War II.

“Japan did not have a policy of genocide against the Jews,” said Rudomin. “When they took over Shanghai - a city where many Jewish refugees fled to - the Japanese continued to allow free passage to the city.”

“Also, Spain under Franco helped save more Jews than any other county during the war,” he added. “Anyone who could make it to Spain or one of its embassies survived. This is a fact.”


16 posted on 04/11/2008 9:20:33 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: blam

***Is it true that Fransisco Franco saved Jews during world war 2 in Spain? ***

It could also be pointed out that the Japanese diplomat to Germany saved thousands of Jews by issuing them visas. And when the visa forms ran out he handwrote them on plain paper. He was also a Christian.


17 posted on 04/11/2008 9:21:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

There is much more to admire about Franco than not.Had Franco not defeated the Communists,history might be much different - & not to our liking. Franco was a Spaniard first & foremost.Like it or not Spain owes it’s stability to Franco.


18 posted on 04/11/2008 9:39:18 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Franco was a hero.


19 posted on 04/11/2008 9:41:56 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: blam

My great grandfather was a Las Canarias. He went from Oviedo, Spain to the Canary Islands and then to St. Bernard parish. I don’t have to spend $100 on a DNA test to prove it.

BUT- if that makes me a descendant of Atlantis....WHOA, the place is GONE!!! What kind of FEMA check do WE get?? LOL

Actually, the irony of the descendants of Atlantis ending up going under water again in Katrina is spooky.


20 posted on 04/11/2008 9:44:09 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: B-Chan
> Franco was a herohomicidal bum and a Fascist.

There. Fixed it. Yer welcome.
21 posted on 04/11/2008 9:44:17 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

If Franco had lost, Hitler would have invaded Spain after France fell, and probably seized the rest of North Africa
as well.

That would have prolonged WWII by at least another year.

So, in the long run, a neutral Franco in Spain was better for the world (whatever it meant for Spain) than a Republican victory there.


22 posted on 04/11/2008 9:50:10 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“Franco was a homicidal bum and a Fascist.”

Bull crap.

Whenever anyone thwarts the communist bastards — Nixon, Pinochet, Marcos, and before them, Franco — the world media, the writers of textbooks, all of academia, all leftists everywhere...every lowlife crawling scum on the face of the planet...all go into high gear to tar his name and blacken his reputation.

Everyone who stood in communism’s path and said, “NO” is a hero.

By the way, the killing of communists bent on imposing communism by force of arms is by no rational definition “murder,” regardless of the circumstances or “legality” of the killing.


23 posted on 04/11/2008 9:52:09 PM PDT by dsc
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Franco wrested Spain from the clutches of a Stalinist tyranny and saved her people from Communist slavery.


24 posted on 04/11/2008 9:53:39 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan

This just in: Francisco Franco still dead.

SNL bump.


25 posted on 04/11/2008 9:58:59 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: dsc

> Everyone who stood in communism’s path and said, “NO” is a hero.

Was Hitler a hero to you, then?

> all go into high gear to tar his name and blacken his reputation.

There is no need to blacken his reputation. He did that by siding with Nazis and Fascists — which all right-minded human beings hate, loathe, despise and fight.

> the killing of communists bent on imposing communism by force of arms is by no rational definition “murder,” regardless of the circumstances or “legality” of the killing.

Killing civilians is always murder, and a War Crime if done by force of arms. Sadly, we never got to see Franco stretch a rope, like we did with most of his Nazi friends. What a pity that was!


26 posted on 04/11/2008 10:01:13 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: blam

Is he still dead?


27 posted on 04/11/2008 10:03:32 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: CondorFlight

> So, in the long run, a neutral Franco in Spain was better for the world (whatever it meant for Spain) than a Republican victory there.

Franco sent “volunteer” troops to fight the Soviets on the Eastern Front — hardly a neutral act, no matter what complexion is put on it.


28 posted on 04/11/2008 10:16:57 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
There is no need to blacken his reputation. He did that by siding with Nazis and Fascists — which all right-minded human beings hate, loathe, despise and fight.

Except that when the time came to stand and fight he chose not to side with the Nazis and fascists. We on the other hand chose to side with the Soviets.

I can't fault Franco for too much. He fought the commies didn't attack his neighbors and never let his own government fall into the same kind of barbarism as Nazi Germany.

29 posted on 04/11/2008 10:39:37 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: elmer fudd

At least he still had the ME-109’s used in the Battle for Britain” Movie
barbra ann


30 posted on 04/11/2008 11:51:35 PM PDT by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“Was Hitler a hero to you, then?”

I am hard put to imagine what sort of ignorance, mental disorder, or plain old stupidity could lead anyone to imagine that Hitler stood in communism’s path and said, “NO.”


31 posted on 04/12/2008 12:08:51 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

> I am hard put to imagine what sort of ignorance, mental disorder, or plain old stupidity could lead anyone to imagine that Hitler stood in communism’s path and said, “NO.”

I guess the Eastern Front didn’t happen then, in your parallel universe.


32 posted on 04/12/2008 12:16:40 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: blam
If
"Archaeologists appointed by Franco were asked to look into claims the Canary Islands were the remains of Atlantis..."
And,
"Scientists from...an institute set up by Heinrich Himmler and funded by the SS, planned to travel to the Atlantic islands to carry out research but were forced to postpone the project when war broke out in September 1939."
And:
"Himmler’s organisation sent German scholars around the world to discover the roots of the Aryan race, leading them to examine Bronze Age carvings in Sweden, forgotten folk customs in Finland and even to Tibet to explore claims that Buddha himself was of Aryan descent."

Wouldn't Sweden, Finland, and Tibet also have been collaborators?

33 posted on 04/12/2008 1:35:58 AM PDT by norton
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To: DieHard the Hunter; Rocky; Ruy Dias de Bivar; Marie2; blam; Apercu; B-Chan; CondorFlight; dsc; ...
The first settlers of San Antonio, TX and Florida, came from the Canary Islands.

Fleeing through Spain, +50,000 (probably 80,000) Jews saved their lifes from the Nazis during the Second World War. Franco did not retaliate against Spanish diplomats who helped Jews awarding them with safe-conducts, as it happened in Portugal. However, some prominent Jews were not admitted into Spain on grounds that it could trigger a major incident with Nazi Germany.

It seems the sentiments in the Jew community are mixed: liberal ones tend to condemn Franco, and conservatives praise him.

Next... in the Regional Nationalist Catalonian imaginery, Franco is identified to the Devil, no matter that it was one of the regions most favoured by his regime. Spanish state-owned automaker, SEAT, was set-up there, for instance.

Each year, a great amount of money is spent in such "studies" as this, on which it is based the Regional Nationalist propaganda, which -by the way- has been so critical in the last two Socialist victories.

Any Nationalist or National Socialist regime needs such "ghosts", linked to minorities (in Catalonia the right wing non-Nationalist people is a minority) to blame. Hitler needed the Jews, who "backstabbed" Germany at the end of the First World War.

What the Catalonian Nationalists hide, however, are the links their industrial oligarchy -the puppeteers that order such studies- have to the Italian oligarchy that supported Mussolini regime and is behind atrocities as the Bologna Massacre, that so similar is to 3/11.

Why are there no studies about that?
34 posted on 04/12/2008 2:29:22 AM PDT by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Has the American Liberal Left ever honored ANYONE who opposed Communism?


35 posted on 04/12/2008 3:43:52 AM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: preacher

> Has the American Liberal Left ever honored ANYONE who opposed Communism?

Dunno. They thought JFK was a bit of all right — still do.


36 posted on 04/12/2008 3:59:33 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: blam

He’s still dead.


37 posted on 04/12/2008 8:07:32 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: blam

Nothing new here.

Social scientists and that includes archaeologists skew their “studies” according to the highest bidder.
International pimp Soros has quite a few working for his dismal dangerous goals.


38 posted on 04/12/2008 9:54:00 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: B-Chan
Franco was a Monarchist. He played the Fascist game and used them Quite well, the trouble makers he sent to the Spanish Blue Division.
39 posted on 04/12/2008 10:00:51 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: barb-tex

“At least he still had the ME-109’s used in the Battle for Britain” Movie”

And the He-111’s.


40 posted on 04/13/2008 8:03:51 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Marie2

The fact is Francisco Franco received an AWARD from B’nai B’rith in 1965 for “Good Treatment of Jews” during the Nazi era. He used a 1924 Spanish law to grant citizenship and passports to roughly 50,000 Jews throughout territories wrongfully held by Nazis to do so, extracting a considerable number from concentration camps, and forcing Nazis to return their possessions to them, or make restitution. He also, of course, granted sanctuary as the head of a neutral country, to ALLIED MILITARY PERSONNEL who made their way to Spain. Spain and Franco haters may be blinded by their sentiments, but that is the truth. Franco would have been too busy raising Spain back up after it lost 1/23rd of her population in a bloody civil war, and keeping Nazi Germany at bay to object to meshuggeh Nazis attempting to link Guanches (ancient Egyptian UaShems-those who rebelled, those who attempted to rebel) to Aryans or Atlantis. My mtDNA is from Canary Islands (U6b); my citizenship is American; my religion is Godfearer.


41 posted on 09/25/2011 4:13:35 PM PDT by Retogenes ("The man who tells the truth is chased out of 8 villages" Old Serbo-Croatian saying.)
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