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'Sky-High' Oil Prices to Last Until 2020
Aftenposten ^ | 11 Apr 2008 | staff

Posted on 04/12/2008 7:20:50 AM PDT by kellynla

The world is now in a period of sky-high oil prices that will last a long time—probably until 2020, according to the world's largest investment bank. Senior analyst Gioavanni Serio in Goldman Sachs, visiting Norway, told participants in an energy seminar that the oil industry moves in 20-year cycles, reports finance industry newswire E24.

The price for American raw oil rose to a record-high USD 112 per barrel this week after new figures revealed a surprising decrease in storage the week before.

Brent oil from the North Sea also rose to new highs, selling for USD 109 per barrel.

In the long-term, oil prices reflect marginal costs to the oil industry," said Serio at a yearly energy seminar held by Wilhelmsen at Lysaker outside of Oslo. "The oil price and marginal costs stayed low in the 1990s. Now that it has become far more expensive for the oil producers to retrieve oil, the price is going to rise correspondingly," he predicted.

The Goldman analyst does not think oil demand will increase significantly but he pointed to "bottlenecks everywhere". He said: "Oil companies are lacking professionals and rig rates have exploded from around USD 100,000 per day in 2002 to USD 500,000 per day this year."

Serio expects oil prices to fall in the short-term, to about USD 90 per barrel, but said it is "unrealistic" that the price would fall under USD 70 per barrel in the coming years. By the end of 2008, he expects the price to be well over USD 100 per barrel.

However, not everyone shares Goldman Sachs' bullish predictions. Italian oil giant ENI's CEO Paolo Scaroni said last week he believes oil prices will fall as a result of increased production.

"We expect the oil price to fall to USD 50-60 per barrel, a price that will provide for global growth," said Scaroni in an interview on Italian TV.

The Norwegian economy has boomed on the back of soaring prices for Norway's oil and gas amid a general world economic downturn.


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KEYWORDS: crude; energy; gasprices; oil
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1 posted on 04/12/2008 7:20:51 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: thackney

ping


2 posted on 04/12/2008 7:22:30 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

For all those claiming to predict oil prices 12 years away, ask how they did predicting prices 5 years away starting in 1993 and again in 2002.


3 posted on 04/12/2008 7:26:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kellynla

We heard the same about tech stocks and real estate.


4 posted on 04/12/2008 7:27:52 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: kellynla

This is not too far from reality.

Because the Stock market has lost much of it’s revenue, it has been transferred into physical trading commodities like Gold and oil; Hard currency, which will be protected by those who control the money. Oil in itself has become money, a currency that is being used and is irreplaceable. So naturally the value will keep going up. Gold is in the same category.


5 posted on 04/12/2008 7:28:15 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: kellynla
the oil industry moves in 20-year cycles

More the effect of war and other international politics than the industry itself.

6 posted on 04/12/2008 7:30:34 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: kellynla

Supply limited / increased demand = Higher Price. ...Econ 101 Page 1.


7 posted on 04/12/2008 7:33:29 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: kellynla

When will America wake up and relaize that there is plenty of oil, It just needs to be drilled and refined. The scarcity of oil is a myth.


8 posted on 04/12/2008 7:36:23 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: RightWhale

I have a difficult time buying what you just said.

To begin with, it is becoming more and more difficult to find and drill for Oil as each year goes by. The supply is also being depleted.

Of course, the technology has provided us with methods to keep on exploring and drilling, but the costs have gone up accordingly.

Of course prices fluctuate based on immediate situations, but the overall trend over the last two decades has been a steady increase in value per barrel. That trend will not change.


9 posted on 04/12/2008 7:38:35 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: kellynla

10 posted on 04/12/2008 7:38:52 AM PDT by Pistolshot (When you let what you are define who you are, you create racial divisiveness.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

and add corn...since we merely human looking for a quick buck...even a plain ol’ every day farmer can see the dollar signs on that commodity...less soy, wheat, rice, etc...we will see lots of corn turned into fuel...


11 posted on 04/12/2008 7:39:48 AM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Hear me now; understand me later.


12 posted on 04/12/2008 7:41:23 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
There sure seems to be plenty of oil. What we need are refineries.

AND ... enough oil drilling/refining politicians to tell the anti's to pound sand.

13 posted on 04/12/2008 7:42:04 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Refineries in the USA are running about 83% of capacity.


14 posted on 04/12/2008 7:43:21 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
"The scarcity of oil is a myth."

There's plenty of oil in the USA but the dipsticks are in DC
15 posted on 04/12/2008 7:43:22 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: thackney

This is total crap! There are a huge number of new technologies and new oil fields that will be coming online during the next few years.


16 posted on 04/12/2008 7:45:04 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: ColdSteelTalon

NO...it is more than that...one of the biggest group of retiring industries is the oil and gas personnel. The experience that existed 20 years and longer ago is retiring and the “X & Y” generation” of wuzzies who don’t want to get sweaty and dirty aren’t filling the shoes.

There is a HUGE career opportunity in O&G but it has been demonized and made to look unstable so people shun it as a career path.

I can tell you that we have “rig hands” at my place of employment...many who are high school drop outs and with a bit of a prison record...making at the ripe age of 22 & 23 yrs of age over 150,000.00 EASY!

EASY easy easy money....BUT it involves hard and dangerous work.


17 posted on 04/12/2008 7:45:13 AM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: Don Corleone
Supply limited / increased demand = Higher Price. ...Econ 101 Page 1.

Bingo. People looking for complicated answers to the price of gas kill me. Its the most popular product in the history of our country. Demand and use is at an all time high. Hmmm, and price is at an all time high... I wonder if there's a connection...?

The price is accurate for the market (disregarding the impact of gas taxes which are an entirely different thread) The roads are full of people commuting to work in full size pick ups and mini-vans. Until that changes, you will not be able to convince me that gas prices have become too high for the American consumer.

18 posted on 04/12/2008 7:45:43 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“To begin with, it is becoming more and more difficult to find and drill for Oil as each year goes by. The supply is also being depleted.”

There’s more oil in the Canadian oil shale up in Alberta than there’s in the whole middle east, and it’s been barely tapped. The trouble is the difficulty of extracting it, but that became economic at $40/barrel. There is pleeeeeenty of oil and carbohydron fuel out there.


19 posted on 04/12/2008 7:45:55 AM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: kellynla

“Sky high” must be one of those technical economic terms.


20 posted on 04/12/2008 7:46:20 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: knarf
There sure seems to be plenty of oil. What we need are refineries.

We could about triple our domestic oil production before we reached the domestic refinery capacity. We would just use our own oil instead of funding OPEC nations.

21 posted on 04/12/2008 7:48:43 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: AmericaUnited

Care to name us a few? I’ve only been in this business for about 35 years, there must be something those like me have missed.


22 posted on 04/12/2008 7:49:10 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Because the Stock market has lost much of it’s revenue

Only problem with that statement is it not true. Stock Market has not lost "much of its revenue". It still retains 80% of the value it has added since it low point in Oct 2002.

23 posted on 04/12/2008 7:50:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: AmericaUnited
a huge number of new technologies and new oil fields that will be coming online

The concept of velocity seems to be poorly understood outside of physics and banking.

24 posted on 04/12/2008 7:51:03 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: farlander

So, how many years have you been making a living in the Oil industry? You have such quick answers to all of this oil you seem to know so much about.


25 posted on 04/12/2008 7:52:47 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Well I don’t make a living in the oil industry but sure do follow investment trends. There’s billions of $$$ pouring into Alberta as they develop the shale.


26 posted on 04/12/2008 7:54:50 AM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
   Change doesn't happen accidentally!! Change happens by deliberate design!!

 The RNC Worm?!

27 posted on 04/12/2008 7:55:03 AM PDT by Ron H. (Keeping my powder dry for the next coming civil war....)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

PSYCHO-FREEP

What part of the stream?

I am in oil and gas field services, onshore and off. The company I work for provides: fracing, acidizing, hydraulic work over, coiled tubing, drilling & measurement (eline), wireline and well control services that include fire fighting and blowouts.

In Houston...what about you?


28 posted on 04/12/2008 7:55:08 AM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
To begin with, it is becoming more and more difficult to find and drill for Oil”

Again, factually false. For example just in the last two weeks.

USGS Assesses Bakken Formation to Hold 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels...25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2000039/posts

It isn't getting the oil that is the problem. The problem is our political class has surrendered to a bunch of well funded hyper activists “eviormental” pressure groups who have a total Luddite view of how the world should work.

29 posted on 04/12/2008 7:57:01 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: MNJohnnie; PSYCHO-FREEP

And - I can wouch for that - is that the revenue part continues just fine. Brokers, clearing houses, financial advisors, hedge funds, their revenue continues just fine.

The stock market per se doesn’t have revenue, it has money flows, and they can be positive or negative, but the participants/enabling companies have plenty revenue as long as there’s volume.


30 posted on 04/12/2008 7:57:48 AM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: farlander
but that became economic at $40/barrel

Cheaper than that. Alberta oil sands have been in continuous commercial production for over 40 years.

Oil Sands History
http://www.syncrude.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=5657

But it has been a smaller operation in the past. Today's high prices have $150 Billion dollars being invested in more production.

Inventory of Major Alberta Projects
http://www.alberta-canada.com/statpub/albertaConstructionProjects/mpindex.cfm

Scroll down and select "Oilsands"

31 posted on 04/12/2008 7:57:53 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I’ve only been in this business for about 35 years,

Considering how wrong your every statement has been here, I have to wonder which Govt agency you work for if you have been "in the business" yet so fundamentally wrong for 35 years.

32 posted on 04/12/2008 7:59:48 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: farlander

Yes, there are billions pouring in because it is government controlled but there are not those billions pouring out. The project is nothing more than an experiment like ethanol.

Canada is also building Nuclear power plants and is going unanimously “green” as in “Greenpeace”. Oil is a bad word in Canada these days.

Many of their drilling technicians have been forced to come down here to find work. The industry as a whole in Canada is not looking good.


33 posted on 04/12/2008 8:00:31 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I'm just a dumb truck driver ... I don't understand how nor why things get increasingly more expensive.

In 1963 I got my first transistor radio ... might have been GE, but I can't remember. It cost $29.95.

In a relatively short time, they were down to $4.98 ... and soon disappeared altogether.

My not-so-in-depth observation of the electronics world seems to show that electronics almost always becomes less expensive as time, science and technology advances.

Interesting.

Now, Let's say in 1963 the average annual pay in America was $10,000.

Automobiles, homes, clothing ... everything was based on that kind of income and life went smoothly.

It seems to me that Someone Somewhere decided an orange should cost 3 cents instead of one ... and well ... did all of an entire economy decide that they had to increase their costs because the orange was (arbitrarilly?) increased in cost?

Is all of this a convoluted twist on the "Go back in time and step on a twig that alters all history" science fiction?

I'm obviously too simplistic in my thought processes, but ... I'd guess the barter system of old pretty much kept pace with what a chicken was worth, whether as a token of trade, or as a monetary value ... and if so ... what happened?

34 posted on 04/12/2008 8:01:08 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Bakken Field is 25% bigger then previously forecast. There are the off shore fields off Brazil and in the Gulf of Mexico that have been discovered in the last 18 months and the oil sands under development in Alberta. The expand fields in the North Sea. The Iraqi reserves etc etc etc.

You must be management if you been in the feild 35 years and don't know any of this.

35 posted on 04/12/2008 8:03:49 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Guess what, I happen to work there as a Directional Drilling Technician and have for a decade. Prior to that, I worked in the Arctic. Drilling there.

Your claim that drilling the Bakken is not a problem, you should come to work there and teach us what we must be doing wrong as soon as possible. We desperately need experts like you to show us how.


36 posted on 04/12/2008 8:04:03 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Many of their drilling technicians have been forced to come down here to find work. The industry as a whole in Canada is not looking good.

Again, factually incorrect. Seems your understanding of the Oil Business is based on reading Greenpeace press releases. So which Enviromental pressure group do you work for?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands

37 posted on 04/12/2008 8:08:00 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Considering you been grotesquely wrong in every single statement you made on this thread, are you merely trolling for a fight or are you this fundamentally incompetent?
38 posted on 04/12/2008 8:09:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
When will America wake up and relaize that there is plenty of oil, It just needs to be drilled and refined. The scarcity of oil is a myth.

Exactly! How many new refineries have been built in the last 30 years? NONE.
And forget about drilling. We might inconvenience a polar bear or two.
39 posted on 04/12/2008 8:09:31 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: kellynla

If so there will be rioting and looting and a lot more stealing .


40 posted on 04/12/2008 8:11:26 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: kellynla

2020 must be when the financing note on the oil futures they financed will be paid off....


41 posted on 04/12/2008 8:12:23 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Again, it is you who have no clue about what you are talking about. You are basing your opinion (underlined) on conflicting reports that are mostly clueless in their own respect.

The FACTS are, nobody knows the true nature of the reserves in the Williston Basin. It is based on pure speculation from all parties involved.

The formation in question also has barely a 5% recovery rate on the average, so those estimates are not very reliable.

I work closely with the USGS in handling their estimates because we drill mostly on BLM lands. Many of the wells that were drilled there were expected to yield huge volumes based on those estimates, but the actual recovery rate was marginal.

You really have much to learn, but what you lack in knowledge, you certainly make up for in arrogance.


42 posted on 04/12/2008 8:13:15 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Here is another example that demonstrates you complete wrong.

We have the resources right here in a single field to replace what we buy from Saudi Arabia. We will not do it because the Saudi pay out political class not too. You have to wonder how much Saudi money is going to fund our “enviromental” groups since they are the Arabs best weapon against us.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/770968/posts

43 posted on 04/12/2008 8:13:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Deo volente
How many new refineries have been built in the last 30 years? NONE.

Time to update.

44 posted on 04/12/2008 8:14:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
The scarcity of oil is a myth.

Same with diamonds but the price never comes down?
Sad, but I think it's going to take some "angry mobs" in the street to influence our leaderships thinking?

45 posted on 04/12/2008 8:16:48 AM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: thackney

Its a gutsy call to go out 12 years, but Goldman has been on the money more times than not.


46 posted on 04/12/2008 8:16:52 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

How did they do predicting today’s prices or those of 1998-99 twelve years before?


47 posted on 04/12/2008 8:19:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kellynla

48 posted on 04/12/2008 8:20:18 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
You really need to learn your emotion based opinions are not facts. Perhaps it would be best if you spend less time posting your personal opinions as statements of fact and a lot more time learning the facts.

Your opinion, backed up by your self published claims of expert status based on claims of a wholly unprovable professional background, are not facts. They are merely your opinions. For all we know your "35 years in the business" was as the Administrative Assistant to the Accounting Manager of a local convenience store chain. That would be "in the business" but would also explain your fundamental ignorance of basic industry facts.

When the facts are presented, you merely regurgitate your opinion over and over and over. That is a useless exercise in ego. So either you are trolling for a fight or you just being obnoxious. Which ever it it is, you lose.

49 posted on 04/12/2008 8:21:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Deo volente
How many new refineries have been built in the last 30 years? NONE.

No, but we have expanded a lot of existing ones.

50 posted on 04/12/2008 8:22:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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