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Obama, Now on the Defensive, Calls ‘Bitter’ Words Ill-Chosen
NY Times ^ | April 13, 2008 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and JEFF ZELENY

Posted on 04/12/2008 9:09:39 PM PDT by neverdem

Senator Barack Obama fought back Saturday against accusations from his rivals that he had displayed a profound misunderstanding of small-town values, in a flare-up that left him on the defensive before a series of primaries that could test his ability to win over white voters in economically distressed communities.

For a second day, Mr. Obama sought to explain his remarks at a recent San Francisco fund-raiser that small-town Pennsylvania voters, bitter over their economic circumstances, “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a way to explain their frustrations.

Acknowledging Saturday that “I didn’t say it as well as I should have,” he explained his remarks by focusing on his characterization of those voters’ economic woes. He meant, he said, that voters in places that had been losing jobs for years expressed their anxiety at the polls by focusing on cultural and social issues like gun laws and immigration.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton activated her entire campaign apparatus to portray Mr. Obama’s remarks as reflective of an elitist view of faith and community. His comments, she said, were “not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans.”

Mrs. Clinton suggested that Mr. Obama saw religious commitment, hunting and concern about immigration as emotional responses to economic strain rather than as deeply embedded values.

“I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith,” she said at a rally in Indianapolis. “The people of faith I know don’t ‘cling to’ religion because they’re bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich.”...

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“It could mean he’s rendered himself unelectable,” Mr. Saunders said. “This is a perfect example of why Democrats lose elections.”

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1 posted on 04/12/2008 9:09:39 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

His greater problem is that many more people understand his core beliefs.


2 posted on 04/12/2008 9:12:56 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: neverdem

According to DU, Obama is going duck hunting in PA after church with his grandmother!!!


3 posted on 04/12/2008 9:13:48 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: neverdem
All those fly over states with those little towns elect our presidents. The electoral college is still alive and well. This candidate is terminal.
4 posted on 04/12/2008 9:14:00 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: neverdem
Cultural issues ARE important to Americans. Obama and the Left have never understood it and never will. Its more than just some ill chosen words. Its the Left's worldview about cultural issues like patriotism, faith in God and guns in the household. Which has nothing to do with people's pocketbooks.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 04/12/2008 9:14:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

"It's not surprising then they get bitter. They cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, just like my cracker Grandma."

6 posted on 04/12/2008 9:14:40 PM PDT by billorites (Freepo ergo sum)
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To: neverdem

You can’t unring the bell you racist idiot. You dropped your guard and let your true feelings spew out and now you have to stand in the pile of crap you laid for at your feet.

I find it so funny that politicians have to spend so much time backpeddling every time they open their pieholes. “Oh I didn’t mean it that way....” “I was misquoted....” “I used a bad choice of words, what I really wanted to say was....”


7 posted on 04/12/2008 9:15:26 PM PDT by infantrywhooah (Hold your nose and vote in November. Even McCain is better than the alternatives)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; All
I think you're right. See the following:

Terrorist Fundraisers 4 Obama

8 posted on 04/12/2008 9:15:26 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: neverdem

He says that he just didn’t use the right words. So, this is the product of an education from Columbia and Harvard? Not much of an endorsement for the education that one receives from those institutions.


9 posted on 04/12/2008 9:16:12 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: neverdem

10 posted on 04/12/2008 9:16:31 PM PDT by TChad
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To: neverdem

“ ...or antipathy to people who aren’t like them”?

Come to think of it, Obama and his latte lib donors, the ones who asked for tips and pointers on how to handle us flyover Pennsylvania rednecks, aren’t much like me, hayna? Or no?


11 posted on 04/12/2008 9:17:06 PM PDT by flowerplough (Sticker on the front of this Pennsylvanian's '89 Ford F-250: Better run, Hillary!)
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To: JRochelle; henkster

Front page on the Sunday NY Times!


12 posted on 04/12/2008 9:17:42 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Army Air Corps
How did he mean to describe the Little People? Obama comes from the Leona Helmsley School Of Life.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 04/12/2008 9:17:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
"“They’re going to say that we’re weak on national security,” Mr. Bayh said, “that we’re a bunch of high taxers and spenders, and out here in the middle of the country we don’t understand people’s values."

Uh, yup, that's called "speak truth about Demagogues" -- why is it that the Demagogues are always desperate to present a false front to the public? Oh, that's right, b/c no Demagogue would get elected outside of the bluest metro areas if people really knew what the candidate stood for.
14 posted on 04/12/2008 9:18:36 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama: You dumb ignorant "typical white people" should learn to say "God D--n America!")
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To: flowerplough
Liberals hate conservatives. Just head over to DU to get a look at all the venom they spew there at people who are not like us.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 04/12/2008 9:18:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” -— (Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis, 1952)


16 posted on 04/12/2008 9:19:55 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: neverdem

Not ill-chosen; revealing.


17 posted on 04/12/2008 9:20:39 PM PDT by Spok (Ignorance is no excuse-it's the real thing.)
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To: Enchante
Of course they are. That's who liberals are. Its a shame they get so defensive about telling the truth. Why not come out and say it? I loathe Jeremiah Wright but he doesn't weasel around his core beliefs. Would that liberals in general were just as honest.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 04/12/2008 9:21:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

KEEP Talkin’ Obama.....please....keep talkin’


19 posted on 04/12/2008 9:21:17 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character; Being Coddled Destroys Character)
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To: neverdem
He meant, he said, that voters in places that had been losing jobs for years expressed their anxiety at the polls by focusing on cultural and social issues like gun laws and immigration.

It seems that he meant exactly what we thought -- and that is the problem. Social issues are not an afterthought for people who are anxious about the "real world".

20 posted on 04/12/2008 9:21:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: goldstategop

Indeed. I graduated from a state university and can articulate my thoughts better than this elitist tool.


21 posted on 04/12/2008 9:21:51 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: BunnySlippers

Except, being a typical white person, won’t she be scared when she sees Obama with a gun?


22 posted on 04/12/2008 9:22:08 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Spok
A x ray into Obama's soul. Its the measure of the man put out there for the country to see.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 04/12/2008 9:22:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

Dumbo really thinks that all people will abandon God and freedom for a handout. Just some of them, Barry, no way all!


24 posted on 04/12/2008 9:22:37 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: neverdem; 50mm

Ill-chosen my tuchis. Do you think Hillary or McCain could have run off a list of stuff inner-city Philadelphia Blacks turn to because they’re “bitter” and explain their racism away by saying “those words were ill-chosen?”

Senator Obama, you are an arrogant, elitist scumbag. Get Bent.


25 posted on 04/12/2008 9:23:22 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
For us, identity is the essence of this country. America is not about dollars and cents. Those who think conservatives revere only profit and the free market miss the true picture.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

26 posted on 04/12/2008 9:24:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: TChad

bump with no comment.


27 posted on 04/12/2008 9:24:33 PM PDT by Ciexyz (My Comments/Ping List no longer downloads.)
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To: neverdem

Obama = Racist, Marxist, Muslim, Anti-American, Black Radical....enough said....pretty straight forward...


28 posted on 04/12/2008 9:26:17 PM PDT by homeguard ((Charlie Don't Surf!))
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To: neverdem
“It could mean he’s rendered himself unelectable,” Mr. Saunders said. “This is a perfect example of why Democrats lose elections.”

Bullsh!t.

The typical American voter forgot this:

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And this:

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This country is finished.

29 posted on 04/12/2008 9:27:44 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Ciexyz

I would suggest that he quit now, go back to IL and be a currupt State Senator, with a wife who earns big bucks.


30 posted on 04/12/2008 9:28:08 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: BunnySlippers
According to DU, Obama is going duck hunting in PA after church with his grandmother!!!

LOL. He better duck, next it's water skiing in the everglades. Typical.

31 posted on 04/12/2008 9:28:10 PM PDT by OeOeO (maybe I didn't come over on the Mayflower, but I got here as soon as I could" Anton Cermak)
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To: neverdem

SnobObama is still spinning like a top


32 posted on 04/12/2008 9:30:12 PM PDT by igoramus08
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To: BunnySlippers

Some of the nuts on DU are contending this incident was a very positive thing for Obama?!?


33 posted on 04/12/2008 9:31:08 PM PDT by Nutmeg08 (Keep on keeping on)
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To: goldstategop
Cultural issues ARE important to Americans. Obama and the Left have never understood it and never will.

Well said. They can't understand it because their heads are full of nonsense ala Rev. Wright, Saul Alinsky, Marx, etc. Billary's attempt to exploit this blunder is interesting.

I hope this helps to destroy the donkeys - as in blows them up to smithereens. We need a loyal opposition for a change.

34 posted on 04/12/2008 9:31:41 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: billorites
just like my cracker Grandma."

LOL!

35 posted on 04/12/2008 9:31:42 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: neverdem

What I love is that this is from the guy who claims to “pray to Jesus every night.” Which is it OVomit, are you a proud, devout Christian like you have recently claimed, or are you something else who suggests that bitterness is what drives people to “cling” to religion?

On a positive note, I am enjoying watching him grab shovel after shovel and keep digging!


36 posted on 04/12/2008 9:32:01 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: billorites

All this is coming out at the wrong time for us, as it can only help the witch, who is by far the worst outcome for all of us. I am out of breath saying “take her out now, then him later”. I’m not sure the reverse of this is possible.


37 posted on 04/12/2008 9:33:15 PM PDT by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: Nutmeg08

The obligatory “I’m-running-for-president-duck-hunting” photo op.


38 posted on 04/12/2008 9:34:41 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: prov1813man

What is McCain looses?

Who is the least dangerous of the two as president, Hillary, or Obama?

I say Obama is far more dangerous.


39 posted on 04/12/2008 9:35:35 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Nutmeg08
Some of the nuts on DU are contending this incident was a very positive thing for Obama?!?

Its common knowledge there are many paid pro-Obama bloggers
40 posted on 04/12/2008 9:35:38 PM PDT by igoramus08
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To: Cobra64

Nope, I predict he’ll die the death of a thousand cuts before our eyes on November 4th.


41 posted on 04/12/2008 9:35:51 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: BunnySlippers
"According to DU, Obama is going duck hunting in PA after church with his grandmother!!!"

Not bloody likely. After all, she's a typical white person and she ain't going anywhere with a black man toting a gun. Even if he's only half black!

42 posted on 04/12/2008 9:35:54 PM PDT by libs_kma (The land of the free, because of the brave)
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To: neverdem

A liberal piece of crap paper like NY times carries this on the front page ?! Wow. That’s gonna leave a mark.


43 posted on 04/12/2008 9:35:59 PM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: neverdem

Obama has, happily, reached a point of no return , of sorts. You are going to see a “new Obama” of necessity, and it ain’t gonna be one who can even get a nomination, let alone win the Presidency. He has gotten into so much trouble with his words, his wife’s words, his Pastor’s words, that he will either have to revert back to his vacuous “change” speeches from 2-3 months ago, or hire a speechwriter. Either one will sink him, he’ll find it impossible to adapt with his own personality to something
he should already be beyond at this stage in a campaign/
He’s now facing an unnatural phase where he has to present himself in a way no one is used to, and that will make his house of cards come tumbling down.
He’s dead.


44 posted on 04/12/2008 9:36:41 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Pain is weakness leaving your body"---U S MARINES)
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To: goldstategop

They had a poll over there “Who is Bitter?”

About 50 of them voted they were “bitter” ... only 2 voted the option that they “were happy”.

LOL


45 posted on 04/12/2008 9:37:41 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: prov1813man

I see it just the opposite-—all this is making Hillary more moderate.


46 posted on 04/12/2008 9:38:30 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Pain is weakness leaving your body"---U S MARINES)
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To: libs_kma

Grandma’s going to church. Obama’s going duck hunting after church with her. Michelle has planned a picnic.


47 posted on 04/12/2008 9:39:01 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: Nutmeg08

Just shows you how deranged, condenscending and elitist those people are. Their elitism just ticks me off to no end. Where do they get off looking down on hard working folks in middle America ?!


48 posted on 04/12/2008 9:39:15 PM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: prov1813man
The problem with your theory is that it's virtually impossible for for her to get the nomination honestly no matter how much damage this does, and if she takes it with superdelegates it will rip their party apart.

In the fall we will either face Obama or a Dem party that's been bisected, with the live half pumping arterial spray all over the landscape.

49 posted on 04/12/2008 9:39:37 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: sageb1
Seems Obama has a lot of terrorist pals. It's almost criminal that lame stream media isn't at the very least questioning publicly his association with these jihadists.
50 posted on 04/12/2008 9:40:11 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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