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Prof to Student: Keep the Faith, Lose the Grade(More anti-religion)
worldnetdaily.com ^ | April 11, 2008 | staff

Posted on 04/13/2008 6:13:13 AM PDT by kellynla

A community college in New York has been presented with a demand letter from the American Center for Law and Justice to halt a professor's classroom practices that allegedly have damaged at least one student – so far.

The letter from the ACLJ targets Suffolk County Community College and will be the prelude to a federal lawsuit if the issue isn't resolved, the organization said.

At issue is a professor's demand that students "change their own personal viewpoints or state that they are unsure of whether their own personal beliefs are correct" on religious issues, according to the letter.

That is an expression of hostility to religion, the letter explains.

The ACLJ said it is representing Gina DeLuca, a student who has been punished with lower grades and has been labeled "closed-minded" by a professor, who remained unidentified in the letter, because he demands that students acknowledge the possibility that God does not exist in order to participate in his philosophy class, which is required for graduation.

"The ACLJ has sent a letter demanding that the school end its discriminatory actions against DeLuca or face a federal lawsuit," the organization's announcement said.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: ac; faith; persecution; professors; religion; students

1 posted on 04/13/2008 6:13:13 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses

ping


2 posted on 04/13/2008 6:15:03 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

This a$$hole ‘professor’ needs to be named, shamed and his face plastered all over the Internet.


3 posted on 04/13/2008 6:17:58 AM PDT by mkjessup (Presidential Buffet Choices: "Botulism, Salmonella, or E.Coli -- iow, we get sick no matter what.")
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To: kellynla
well, on one side, you have a community college in ny. on the other, worldnet daily.

this is like midget wrestling or something.

4 posted on 04/13/2008 6:18:43 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ( If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

If the information is accurate the source is meaningless.


5 posted on 04/13/2008 6:26:13 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: kellynla

Should have attened Nassau Community College. I got called closed minded but still got my A :-)


6 posted on 04/13/2008 6:27:35 AM PDT by cyborg (Giving the finger to appendix cancer by being 3HO...happy, healthy, holy!)
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To: kellynla
The ACLJ said it is representing Gina DeLuca, a student who has been punished with lower grades and has been labeled "closed-minded" by a professor, who remained unidentified in the letter, because he demands that students acknowledge the possibility that God does not exist in order to participate in his philosophy class, which is required for graduation.

If the professor acknowledges the possibility that God exists, then he is asking a fair question. This is a philosophy class. It is a metaphysical question. If he says God does not exist, then he is indeed expressing a personal belief in which there is no proof. Therefore, he is a defective philosopher. Why is such a class taught in a community college? I thought community colleges were meant to train students for work.

7 posted on 04/13/2008 6:40:32 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

These ‘professors’ are in every college.. They forget that they’re there to TEACH and instead demand that you be molded into good little leftist/atheists in their own image. And they always threaten you with the grade.

I had one, my wife had one at her college too. The first day in class they state clearly... “if you dare interject God or religion or your personal belief that these things are real, good or positive -or even EXIST, you will never see a grade higher than a D.”


8 posted on 04/13/2008 6:48:18 AM PDT by J40000
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To: kellynla

Why is this required to graduate? It should be an elective.


9 posted on 04/13/2008 6:54:50 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: kellynla

Pretty soon it will be, “Christians to the Lions.”


10 posted on 04/13/2008 6:58:55 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: the invisib1e hand

WND is not on the “other side”... a student represented by the American Center for Law is...

“midget wrestling?”

and you’re the “midget!” LMAO

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...try actually READING and COMPREHENDING the article before you break wind!


11 posted on 04/13/2008 7:01:32 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

there are some for whom all words are a waste.


12 posted on 04/13/2008 7:05:23 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ( If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you...)
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To: J40000
These ‘professors’ are in every college.. They forget that they’re there to TEACH

In other words, they are not there to indoctrinate.

13 posted on 04/13/2008 7:12:54 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: kellynla
his philosophy class, which is required for graduation.

Philosophy is required for graduation? Wanna bet Physics is not?

14 posted on 04/13/2008 7:24:35 AM PDT by montag813
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To: J40000
I hope you took the D!

My biology professor who tried this nonsense and I nailed him in my final anyway(1975).

This was at a junior college and this clown had “taught” these same student in High School, so this was simply “advanced indoctrination”.

He had been promoting abortion and euthanasia.

I painted a clear picture regarding who gets to decide who lives and who dies. “You can NOT pretend that an academically constrained example will persist in the world!”
“It will NEVER be the case that ONLY the patient gets to decide when they die. There will always be the selfish family, the cost cutting hospital and insurance companies.”
“Who will define which disability, illness, or malady qualifies for further treatment?” “Have you ever opposed Hitler's concept of a master race?” “By the way professor, your 3 day flu just became pneumonia and that's too expensive to treat!”

15 posted on 04/13/2008 7:46:26 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: mkjessup

This a$$hole ‘professor’ needs to be named, shamed and his face plastered all over the Internet.

and this a-hole professor needs to be fired....his personal
F’d up politics are not the criteria for grades ....period!!!!


16 posted on 04/13/2008 7:46:34 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: kellynla

government school, first amendment locked on.

violation of fredom of association.
violation of establishing religion by “precluding personal belief”

this professor is clueless about education.


17 posted on 04/13/2008 7:55:27 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kellynla

http://www.demossnewspond.com/aclj/releases/2008Releases/NewYorkCollege4-10-08.htm

Professor isn’t named here either. I wonder why not.


18 posted on 04/13/2008 8:23:29 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: Don Corleone

Pretty soon it will be, “Christians to the Lions.”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I know you are joking....BUT...The Liberal/Marxists would kill us if they could. They just can’t...yet.

(not joking)


19 posted on 04/13/2008 8:26:02 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: kellynla
At issue is a professor's demand that students "change their own personal viewpoints or state that they are unsure of whether their own personal beliefs are correct" on religious issues, according to the letter.

Of course, it would never occur to this professor that he or she may be "unsure" of his/her beliefs. No, Liberals, though human, can't be wrong. Just ask them.

20 posted on 04/13/2008 8:52:25 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque
The only way this is going to change is if people stand up for their rights.
Step one.
Take the bad grade, put the teacher and school on notice you are going to total war with them over this discriminatory action, get media coverage and call the alliance defense fund or one of the other civil liberties firms that are actually fair minded and support Christian beliefs. Do this all as Christ would have you do it. Firmly, honestly and without hate. Record all communications if at all possible.
Step Two.
Call the ACLU and ask for their help. Get media coverage that you did so. Get as much media coverage of the truth of their "support". Do this all as Christ would have you do it. Firmly, honestly and without hate. Record all communications if at all possible.
Step three.
Begin to attend school board meetings if its a public school. Speak your mind. Get as much media coverage as possible. Do this all as Christ would have you do it. Firmly, honestly and without hate. Record all communications if at all possible.
Step Four
Let them know you love them and would like to minister to them about the good news.

At ALL times use logic, kindness and be relentless in letting them know that you wont back down. and then, DONT BACK DOWN. EVER.

Thney will either have hardened hearts and not notice you are fighting them in a different way than they are used to, or they will notice you are being a light on the hill ( which is really the point)

The issue isnt that we are routed. Its that we give these jokers a pass every single time.
Stand your ground and rebuild you piece of the wall . This is highlighted in the bible in Nehemiah. Our walls have been breached, and its time to get them rebuilt.
The times are changing, and much is at stake, but much can be gained by just giving no one a pass on this type of behavior. Complaining doesnt fix it.
Venting doesnt fix it.
Action fixes it. Imagine if every single time this happened, someone did the above. One person taking a stand isnt going to change things, and neither will electing someone in particular. That can help, but doesnt fix it. But thousands upon thousands of good people doing the right thing will fix this.
God created us and told us how to act. Jesus modeled it for us and Gods word documented ALL of it. So whats the hold up?

21 posted on 04/13/2008 9:40:51 AM PDT by humantech ("No one wants to live to see such evil times. Its what you do with the time you are given")
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To: kellynla
Just more evidence for my firm belief that America is rapidly becoming just another post-Christian era nation and is headed for the same situation that exists in today's western European nations where Christianity has little or no influence on society.

Government schools of today are not the same schools they were in my pre-boomer generation in which the Christian bible was accepted as the authoritative gold standard on matters of morality and decency, and teachers were free to express their Christian beliefs. I well remember the brief morning ritual consisting of the reading of few bible verses followed by a short prayer conducted by my aunt who was principle of the rural elementary school I attended. Today she would not only be summarily fired, she would probably be prosecuted as well. AFAIK none of my 1950's era community college professors tried to indoctrinate or influence their students on religious matters, even though I am quite sure that the majority of them were either non-believers or nominal Christians.

I have read that a recent survey conducted by a Christian publication found that 70% of recent college graduates from traditional Christian homes reject the doctrine of divine inspiration of holy scripture, and that a large portion of those students have become either agnostics or atheists by the time they graduate from secular colleges and universities. IMHO any Christian parent who sends his/her child off to be singled out, humiliated, and brainwashed by aggressive, hostile anti-Christian professors in today's secular universities is making a major mistake with tragic eternal consequences.

22 posted on 04/13/2008 10:06:13 AM PDT by epow ("Necessity is the plea for infringement of every human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.")
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
If the professor acknowledges the possibility that God exists, then he is asking a fair question. This is a philosophy class. It is a metaphysical question. If he says God does not exist, then he is indeed expressing a personal belief in which there is no proof. Therefore, he is a defective philosopher. Why is such a class taught in a community college? I thought community colleges were meant to train students for work.

A philosophy class is supposed to teach one to examine different philosophies, NOT impose the philosophy, nor religion (and atheism IS a religion) upon the students. I suggest that you read this part again:

because he demands that students acknowledge the possibility that God does not exist in order to participate in his philosophy class, which is required for graduation.

You don't have to acknowledge the possibility to study philosophy, any more than you have to acknowledge that pagan gods exist in order to study a pagan religion. Plain and simple, this is a power mad instructor (it's rare to find a real "professor" at a community college) who's trying to impose his or her will on the students.

Oh, and community colleges are NOT just for preparing people for work. You seem to be thinking of trade schools or "technical colleges." A community college can give out AA (2 year) degrees, as well as being a way to save up money for a 4 degree by spending less on the first 2 years. Many community colleges have agreements with the state universities to accept all the lower level course credits. It's quite common.

Mark

23 posted on 04/13/2008 10:45:59 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
I thought community colleges were meant to train students for work.

Many J.C's are "stepping-stones" to 4 yr. colleges...

Not to mention a less co$tly way to get the first 2 yrs out of the way...on the way to a B.S. / B.A.

24 posted on 04/13/2008 10:50:09 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: kellynla
I think David needs to write a bigger book, or make it a multi-volume set...

The Professors, the 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America, David Horowitz, Regnery Publishing Inc., ISBN 978-1-59698-525-4, 2007.

25 posted on 04/13/2008 11:29:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: J40000
I had one, my wife had one at her college too. The first day in class they state clearly... “if you dare interject God or religion or your personal belief that these things are real, good or positive -or even EXIST, you will never see a grade higher than a D.”

Well, I know what side of the debate I am on, but to play devil's advocate, if a student's response to any philosophical discussion or debate is a quote from the bible, he/she deserves nothing better than a "D".

And yes, Dorothy, there are students like that.

26 posted on 04/13/2008 11:33:49 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
If the professor acknowledges the possibility that God exists, then he is asking a fair question.

Excellent remark!

If the professor announces at the very start, " I acknowledge, for purposes of this class, that God might exist. But also for purposes of this class, we will assume that He might not exist, and indeed does not. Is that clear?"

That could save a lot of wasted time arguing the unarguable.

27 posted on 04/13/2008 11:39:50 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: kellynla

Need to sue each and every time...


28 posted on 04/13/2008 4:03:21 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: kellynla

This prof. has no business being an educator. A college education is supposed to teach students to develop their own ideas based on available information, and how to utilize their own thought process. This guy says you either adopt my ideas or you fail ! He is being a dictator. Then he more or less says if you don’t like what I have to say you are closed minded and hurtful. This guy has some issues and he shouldn’t be a professor at a college. He is the one being closed minded and hurtful. The tolerance door swings 2 ways. He shouldn’t be teaching - he has the wrong attitude ! Give him the boot the tax payers and people paying tuition deserve better. I never had a teacher this bad at Wantagh High or in College.


29 posted on 04/20/2008 6:58:29 AM PDT by msaved56
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