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Anti-sealing activists to appear in court ( Sea Shepherd )
CBC News ^ | April 13, 2008

Posted on 04/13/2008 9:40:19 AM PDT by george76

The captain and first officer of the anti-sealing ship the Farley Mowat were due to appear in court in Sydney, N.S., on Sunday, a day after their arrest off the west coast of Newfoundland.

They have been charged with interfering with the seal hunt after a confrontation with a Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker two weeks ago.

Their vessel was boarded and seized Saturday in the Gulf of St. Lawrence by RCMP officers, working with officials from the federal Fisheries Department and the coast guard...

Paul Watson of the international group Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, which owns the vessel, said its seizure and the arrests amount to an "act of war" because the ship is registered in the Netherlands and was in international waters.

However, Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn said the arrests were made within Canadian waters...

Hearn said the ship's crew failed to comply with warnings and continued to violate marine and fisheries regulations.

"The government of Canada has taken action to protect the safety and livelihoods of Canadian sealers by boarding and seizing the Farley Mowat to arrest its captain and chief officer for alleged violations of Canada's marine mammal regulations," ...

The minister said officers boarded the anti-sealing vessel after the ship ignored orders to go to port.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alf; animalrights; ar; banglist; ecoterrorists; elf; environmental; enviroweenies; greenpeace; hunting; paulwatson; sealhunt; seashepherd; sierraclub; sodoffswampy; terrorism; terrorists; waronterror; watson

1 posted on 04/13/2008 9:40:19 AM PDT by george76
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To: jazusamo; proud_yank

the Sea Shepperd Conservation Society Terrorists

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd)

-They have admittedly (and proudly) destroyed whaling vessels of other nations.

-They have rammed fishing ships and whaling ships with their own vessels to destroy equipment.

-They have thrown glass bottles of butyric acid at the crews of whaling vessels from their ship.

The Sea Shepperd Conservation Society has used violent and destructive means, as a way to stop activities to which they object, threatening the livelihood and possibly the lives of the people who perform said activities

They are terrorists, and violent criminals.

—ht comments


2 posted on 04/13/2008 9:42:36 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: fanfan; girlangler; LucyT

Sea Shepherd endorses a deliberate policy of sinking or sabotaging vessels


3 posted on 04/13/2008 9:44:02 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
The Canadian Navy should have sunk these creeps.

L

4 posted on 04/13/2008 9:46:37 AM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lurker; george76
They are terrorists, and violent criminals.

I agree with Lurker.

5 posted on 04/13/2008 9:53:10 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: george76

High time. In another time, these marauders would have been hanged as pirates. Running under the false colors of nobility doesn’t change the reality.


6 posted on 04/13/2008 9:53:38 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: george76

7 posted on 04/13/2008 9:58:03 AM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: BIGLOOK; Clive; Fred Nerks
Sea Shepherd's Record of Violence

1993: Sea Shepherd concludes that the organisation has sunk 8 ships and rammed and damaged a further 6.

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8 posted on 04/13/2008 9:58:14 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Paul Watson of the international group Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, which owns the vessel, said its seizure and the arrests amount to an "act of war" because the ship is registered in the Netherlands and was in international waters.

How ships are treated should depend less on where they are registered and more on what flag they fly at sea.

9 posted on 04/13/2008 9:58:57 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (So you want to be President - it's like reality TV, only real)
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To: george76
PIRATES! Hang them from the yardarm.

Just use a culturally appropriate organic, natural hemp rope.

10 posted on 04/13/2008 9:59:24 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Lurker
The Canadian Navy should have sunk these creeps.

Give them a chance to surrender first. Fire a warning shot into their bridge.

11 posted on 04/13/2008 10:01:14 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: LucyT; SunkenCiv; neverdem; Grampa Dave; ASOC; RightWhale; PGalt; Carry_Okie; MAINE-IAC; ...
Paul Watson is one of the fathers of environmental terrorism. The group he founded and leads, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS), is a pirate organization that sails around the world, terrorizing fishermen.

Wearing a long bowie knife and carrying AK-47s on board, he threatens to ram any ship that won’t give in to his demands. Watson was a founder of Greenpeace, but the group banished him in 1977 in disapproval of his violent tactics.

He is a board member of the Sierra Club.

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12 posted on 04/13/2008 10:05:32 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

It would have been preferable to sink them and treat any survivors as pirates but at least the Canadian Coast Guard did do something though the captain and first officer will probably walk.


13 posted on 04/13/2008 10:11:52 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: george76
Wearing a long bowie knife and carrying AK-47s on board, he threatens to ram any ship that won’t give in to his demands.

Some people just need killin! (just kiddin, maybe).

14 posted on 04/13/2008 10:20:03 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: george76; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...

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15 posted on 04/13/2008 10:24:04 AM PDT by Clive
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To: jazusamo

That whole group will burn.


16 posted on 04/13/2008 10:27:52 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I watched a news article a few years ago where this man actually rammed a Japanese whaler and scraped her side the length of the ship. I wondered at that time why the Japanese captain didn’t order his men to shoot at these criminals. Maybe Japan took all their guns away like America is trying to do. They interviewed Watson and he is one arrogant, self righteous SOB.


17 posted on 04/13/2008 10:28:27 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

Not just scraped other ships, but also they have sunk ships.

The Japanese should have sunk that POS.


18 posted on 04/13/2008 10:32:04 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jazusamo
Some people just need killin! (just kiddin, maybe).

I'm not, these terrorist scum need to die, each and every last one of them.

Preferably welded behind watertight doors below decks as the ship is scuttled around them.
19 posted on 04/13/2008 11:18:39 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: george76
They are terrorists, and violent criminals.

And beating to death a million seals, a fifth of the seal population, at a remote area of the world in three years does not terrorize the seals? What possible threat are the seals to man? Man kills them not for survival but for pleasure. Some faggot will make a lot of money designing fashion furs. Some society bitch will fawn all over her pelt garments. Somehow, I think Watson may not be a terrorist, but a freedom fighter.

It's interesting you provide the wikipedia link, but ignore citation in the link supporting Watson. For example one citation says Costa Rican prosecutors dropped charges against Watson [after they saw the films of the fishermen ILLEGALLY finning sharks}.

I'm sure the hunters will start screaming about depriving them of their rights. I don't see any right listed in the Constitution to kill animals for pleasure. The moralists will come out and tell me I am a hypocrite for eating cows. Cows are prey food. They need to be eaten to prevent them from eating all the vegetation. Seals are predators. They are on our side.

Equating Watson to a terrorists is a stretch. We are a war with Islamic terrorists who daily cut off heads or bomb to kill people. Who has Watson killed? Has he hid from his actions? Is he asking you to eat veggie burgers or else he will ruin you? I think the commercial slaughter of seals and whales using modern technology is a rotten aspect of man. It's at the same level as African poachers who kill Gorillas or the savage Muslims who torture an ancient [ENDANGERED] sea turtle before slitting it's throat. If tradition is so important to the Japanese, Aleuts, and the like, make them use the flimsy weapons and boats their ancestors used. At least give the animals a sporting chance and make the hunter take the traditional risks.

Your blood lust has you confused about terrorism.

20 posted on 04/13/2008 11:21:55 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
And beating to death a million seals, a fifth of the seal population, at a remote area of the world in three years does not terrorize the seals? What possible threat are the seals to man? Man kills them not for survival but for pleasure. Some faggot will make a lot of money designing fashion furs. Some society bitch will fawn all over her pelt garments. Somehow, I think Watson may not be a terrorist, but a freedom fighter.

A freedom fighter? Since when do animals get top billing over humans? Have a disagreement over hunting, you don't try to kill people over it. So yes, Watson is a terrorist, who uses violence and the threat of violence to compel action by others, against the rule of law. Terrorize the seals - what bull. Might as well argue that Orcas terrorize them when they feed on the colonies.

21 posted on 04/13/2008 11:31:58 AM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts; jazusamo

“There’s nothing wrong with being a terrorist, as long as you win. Then you write the history.”

— Sierra Club board member Paul Watson, at the Animal Rights 2002 convention


22 posted on 04/13/2008 11:33:41 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

A freedom fighter? Surely you jest.

He is a law breaker and common criminal and you trying to justify it speaks volumns.


23 posted on 04/13/2008 11:38:45 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

seals are a CROP no different than trees or corn.

It does not matter what the end product is used for.

It seems these eccoterrorists were far more about piracy rather than legit protest.

these are the same type of kooks who endanger hunters in the USA.


24 posted on 04/13/2008 11:45:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts; naturalman1975; Candor7; Nathan Zachary; WorkingClassFilth; BenLurkin; ...
Paul Watson is a sinker of ships.

Captain Watson left Greenpeace in 1977 and formed the US-based Sea Shepherd Conservation Society -- a vigilante environmentalist group that has sunk 10 ships since 1979.

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25 posted on 04/13/2008 12:02:42 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: kingu
A freedom fighter? Since when do animals get top billing over humans?

Try hunting a bald eagle. Try hunting a bison. Try hunting your neighbor's dog. Then ask yourself your question again while you are in jail.

26 posted on 04/13/2008 12:06:23 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Try hunting a bald eagle. Try hunting a bison. Try hunting your neighbor's dog. Then ask yourself your question again while you are in jail.

Why hunt a bald eagle when there's so many roadkills in the country - instead I'll simply get one from the National Eagle Repository. Bison's yummy, you can pick some up down at your local market, and over nine thousand dogs are shot in the United States each year according to one of the anti-gun groups. None of this has anything to do with animals getting top billing over man. The restrictions on hunting the bald eagle, while deceptive, don't deeply bother me, bison's long been a yummy treat, and your neighbor's dog is your neighbor's property - typically people go to jail for destroying property of others.

I'm failing to see how this has much of anything to do with you defending a terrorist and claiming he's a freedom fighter for the oppressed seals and underrepresented minority whales. Perhaps that's because even you can't manage to do it a second time.

27 posted on 04/13/2008 12:17:54 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: george76

Thanks for the post/ping/link. I never heard of this thug/criminal before today.


28 posted on 04/13/2008 12:53:04 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: kingu
I'm failing to see how this has much of anything to do with you defending a terrorist and claiming he's a freedom fighter for the oppressed seals and underrepresented minority whales. Perhaps that's because even you can't manage to do it a second time.

You keep claiming he is a terrorist. Mainstay reporting would have as an example of a terrorist a throat cutting, bomb throwing Muslim. They kill people. Who has Watson killed? Who has he terrorized? His ship has a berth in the United States. When he has been arrested, the authorities have released him. In Costa Rican they were embarrassed when they saw films of your right-to-work anyway they see fit fishermen finning sharks, an illegal activity. The sealing in Canada is all about penis's for the Chinese, furs for the society bitches, and beer money for the losers in the fishing boats. I have met enough fishermen to know that beer and drugs is what keeps them going out to sea.

Oh, and that passive-aggessive retort, "Perhaps that's because even you can't manage to do it a second time." is so liberal.

29 posted on 04/13/2008 12:53:25 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: PGalt; Stoat; dead; Doctor Raoul; Calpernia; girlangler; CrappieLuck
SSCS’s mission is to stop fishing...

Its preferred methods?

Ramming and sinking fishing ships, throwing butyric acid on their decks, and firing machine guns. Watson argues that United Nations resolutions authorize him to commit violent acts.

But he regularly interferes with fisherman and hunters who are committing no crime.

He serves as judge, jury, and executioner — while enjoying the same tax-exempt status as universities and churches.

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30 posted on 04/13/2008 1:09:01 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts; george76; jazusamo; Diana in Wisconsin; CrappieLuck

“I have met enough fishermen to know that beer and drugs is what keeps them going out to sea.”

Good Lord, you have been watching WAY too many Walt Disney films.


31 posted on 04/13/2008 1:27:07 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
Good Lord, you have been watching WAY too many Walt Disney films.

Go out to sea deep sea fishing with the fishermen from Gloucester or New Bedford. If you don't take drugs now, you will then or you will lose your nerve.

32 posted on 04/13/2008 1:59:55 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

You paint fishermen with a pretty broad brush. I’ll bet there are MANY more responsible fishermen than the ones you mention.

Also, could you please tell me what is the difference between Paul Watson and the Sea Shepherd group, and the folks below?

Anti-war thugs protest Easter Mass - Right Wing News (Conservative ...A group of anti-war protestors calling themselves “Catholic Schoolgirls ...... Assault, destruction of property, harrassment and invasion of privacy. ...
www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/03/antiwar_thugs_protest_easter_m.php?


33 posted on 04/13/2008 2:58:13 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
Also, could you please tell me what is the difference between Paul Watson and the Sea Shepherd group, and the folks below?

Watson is attempting to stop sex/fashiion addicts and the queers you want to compare him to from getting seal penis's and furs.

34 posted on 04/13/2008 3:13:46 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: george76; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ..

35 posted on 04/13/2008 3:40:24 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“The sealing in Canada is all about penis’s for the Chinese, furs for the society bitches, and beer money for the losers in the fishing boats. I have met enough fishermen to know that beer and drugs is what keeps them going out to sea.”

Any other hard-working rural resource industry workers you want to spew contempt for? Lumberjacks? Farmers? Prospectors? And you defend Watson and his tactics? Maybe you thing ELF are great guys too - after all they’re just destroying property and killing people to protect the lives of innocent animals.

Word to the wise: you’ll get a lot further with arguments that don’t involve screeching about the evil of trading in furs or whatever, or maligning whole groups of people. You think the seal hunt is wrong? Fine, that’s your right. But to claim that ramming and sinking ships (as the SSS itself claims it has done) to protect animals goes a bit far even for me, and I have little sympathy for whale hunting or shark-finning.


36 posted on 04/14/2008 7:17:59 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: -YYZ-
Any other hard-working rural resource industry workers you want to spew contempt for?

Interesting. The high seas are rural. I would never have thunk it.

37 posted on 04/14/2008 10:34:35 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
And beating to death a million seals, a fifth of the seal population, at a remote area of the world in three years does not terrorize the seals?

The total allowable catch permitted by the Canadian government is 270,000.

Seal populations in Canada are approximately:

Harp Seals - 5.5 million

Hooded Seals - 590,000

Grey Seals - 300,000

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/faq_e.htm#1

Seal populations have nearly tripled since 1970. They aren't being hunted to extinction like your claims would make it seem. The Seal population is being properly managed.

What possible threat are the seals to man?

They aren't generally a threat to man. They are however being harvested as are fish and other game.

It's interesting you provide the wikipedia link, but ignore citation in the link supporting Watson. For example one citation says Costa Rican prosecutors dropped charges against Watson [after they saw the films of the fishermen ILLEGALLY finning sharks}.

Watson admits he has illegally attacked boats. Just because in that case the fishermen were also acting illegally does not excuse his actions in general. You're trying to rationalize criminal, terrorist activity.

I'm sure the hunters will start screaming about depriving them of their rights.

Considering that other than the rare exceptions, they are the ones obeying the law, and Watson is intentionally and illegally endangering their lives, they have every right to complain.

I don't see any right listed in the Constitution to kill animals for pleasure.

Yea, I'm sure that most of these Seal hunters just love to go out and kill seals in dangerous and extremely cold arctic climate. They do it for the sheer joy of it.

Admitting that they might have a legitimate reason to hunt seals, or even using accurate figures about seal populations does, support your goals, you misstate or ignore the facts.

That's because your cause is so important and all of us are too stupid to see how important it is if we were just shown the facts, so you need to make your cause more appealing. To bad if honesty and integrity are lost in the process.

The moralists will come out and tell me I am a hypocrite for eating cows. Cows are prey food. They need to be eaten to prevent them from eating all the vegetation. Seals are predators. They are on our side.

Yes, you're a hypocrite. Ever hear of the food chain? Almost every predator is also prey. A predator that is not also preyed upon by others animals is the very rare exception in nature. There aren't two sides, predator and prey.

Equating Watson to a terrorists is a stretch.

He advances his goals that he can not attain by legal or political means by terrorizing and threatening others. That makes him a terrorists. He doesn't use the same tactics as Islamic terrorists using suicide bombers, nor is he blatantly homicidal. But he's still a terrorist.

I think the commercial slaughter of seals and whales using modern technology is a rotten aspect of man.

Killing animals should be done as humanely as possible. Modern technology more often than not makes possible to be more humane.

You aren't making rational, well thought out arguments, you're making emotional ones.

It's at the same level as African poachers who kill Gorillas or the savage Muslims who torture an ancient [ENDANGERED] sea turtle before slitting it's throat.

That's a load of crap. These aren't poachers. If they are, Watson should turn over his evidence that they are poaching, and let the authorities prosecute them.

You say others shouldn't call Watson a terrorist, despite him clearly meeting the definition, because you don't like the connotation that his actions are similar to other, even more extreme terrorists. However, you are more than happy to try and associate people legally hunting seals with poachers a people needlessly torturing endangered animals.

Hypocrisy, rationalization, and misinformation seems to be your stock and trade in this post.

Why don't you try honestly depicting what the sealers are doing and stating your objections to it without trying to associate actions that haven't committed to them.

38 posted on 04/14/2008 10:51:23 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

The workers are rural, not the resource - is that too complicated for you? I would certainly call many coastal communities of Newfoundland, PEI, or NS, where these sealers live, “rural.” Most of them don’t live in, or near, big cities. They go out to do this difficult, dangerous work to supplement their families’ incomes - certainly not for the fun of it. And, like most people involved in slaughtering animals as part of their profession, they probably don’t feel too much for the seals they’re killing. I would probably find it pretty appalling if I was out there - but I would probably find a slaughterhouse pretty appalling, too.


39 posted on 04/14/2008 12:14:31 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: -YYZ-
My mothers family came from the Maritimes, PEI, Novi, NFL, it was starve in Canada or get Yanktified. My Grand father said when I asked why he never went back to Kanukistan, “They know where I live, F’em”.
40 posted on 04/14/2008 12:27:59 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: untrained skeptic
Watson admits he has illegally attacked boats. Just because in that case the fishermen were also acting illegally does not excuse his actions in general. You're trying to rationalize criminal, terrorist activity.

You could be a British loyalist arguing for the death penalty for Washington and the signatories to the Declaration of Independence. You take your view zealously and fail to see the cause of Watson's actions. What you should ask is why Watson can dock in several countries including the United States and yet none of them will or cannot find legitimate reason to put him in jail. I find that amazing or the claims of his detractors are exaggerated.

41 posted on 04/14/2008 1:16:07 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
I don't see any right listed in the Constitution to kill animals for pleasure.

Amendment 9.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Nice try.

L

42 posted on 04/14/2008 1:20:49 PM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
You could be a British loyalist arguing for the death penalty for Washington and the signatories to the Declaration of Independence.

Please explain to me how the government of Canada is oppressing Watson and associates though having legalized seal hunting and preventing him from interfering.

What you should ask is why Watson can dock in several countries including the United States and yet none of them will or cannot find legitimate reason to put him in jail.

Let's see. He's been tried and convicted in absentia in Norway for attempting to sink a Norwegian fishing vessel, but managed to get the Dutch to refuse to extradite him.

In Costa Rica he was charged with attempted murder after he tried to ram a 13 foot fishing boat with their much larger ship.

He posted bail and fled the country. He did apparently produce evidence of illegal shark finning, but does that justify trying to ram a 13 foot fishing boat? What threat was that tiny boat to him and his crew? Why couldn't he call in authorities, or even if necessary and authorized by law, take the fisherman into custody themselves?

Is the just penalty for shark finning death at the hands of a vigilante without a trial?

From my searches, I didn't see any reference to the charges being dropped.

It appears he generally operates in international waters, and those he harasses don't generally have evidence to prove their case, so it becomes a matter of he said she said, and Watson's political connections and considerable finical backing make him very hard to prosecute.

However, it appears that they are arresting members from the crew of his ship this time, so we will just have to wait and see how this one turns out.

However, since Watson himself wasn't on the ship, it's only his lackeys that might go to jail this time, and since the seal hunters don't appear to have much solid evidence to back up their claims, it also appears that they are only facing relatively minor charges.

It is also possible that his own claims of ramming boats are exaggerated to help him try and scare others into submitting in a confrontation out of fear.

If true, that doesn't make his actions any more noble.

43 posted on 04/14/2008 2:16:50 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: untrained skeptic
Let's see. He's been tried and convicted in absentia in Norway for attempting to sink a Norwegian fishing vessel, but managed to get the Dutch to refuse to extradite him.

The Norwegians don't count. They gave Al Gore and Jimmy Carter (a man who dances with terrorists) and Arafat (a certified terrorist) the Nobel Peace Prize. The Norwegians are the worlds biggest buyers of seal furs, so that crime syndicate will stoop to any depth to rub out Watson. The Dutch were too smart for that.

Yes the Costa Ricans saw the political consequences of jailing Watson for doing the police work they wouldn't.

Look, in the United States we have a whale watching industry. Most Americans see no need to slaughter maritime mammals. They are more interested in seeing them alive. There is no need for survival to justify this commercial slaughter. We are not Aluets living on ice with meager protien resources. These seals are not killed food, just the furs and organs for perverse beliefs. In the United States, I'm sure it would get you jail time, yet little attention is brought to us by the media about our Northern neighbor.

For some strange reason, Freepers would think I am a bleeding heart liberal because of my abhorrence of wanton slaughter. Yet, the greatest destroyers of nature are socialist countries - The former Soviet Union, China, many failing Marxist African nations. Canada wants to join their ranks. It fits in with their socialized health care, growing limits on free speech, hard cash economics, the general disdain for America. Yet Freepers cheer them on. These cheer leaders strike me as the kind who would like to sit in the comfort of a railroad car and slaughter bison, pleasure killing.

I'll take my hat off to the stealthy hunter who goes into the woods hunting with a pistol. At least the wary prey have a chance. I'm sure if the prey could talk they would rather have a chance at getting away from a true sportsman than be "humanely" killed by some unfit hunter with a high powered rifle mounted with a scope. I also question the accuracy of the "humane" riflemen and doubt their claim of make a quick kill.

I suspect the socialized Canadian economy in the Maritime provinces sucks and the poor Canadians are doing the slaughter that better off Americans won't do. It wouldn't happen in the States.

More power to Watson for doing what he has to do to bring attention to the slaughter. He's doing the work the media dare not.

44 posted on 04/14/2008 3:19:32 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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He and his crew should be cut up for bait. :’)

Thanks g.


45 posted on 04/14/2008 11:04:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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Yes the Costa Ricans saw the political consequences of jailing Watson for doing the police work they wouldn't.

Or they saw the real consequences of asking Watson to do such work. They had invited him to come police their waters, and had even asked him to take that fisherman into custody.

It was after they saw how he actually operated that he was criminally charged, but was basically let go because they had been stupid enough to ask him to help in the first place.

These seals are not killed food, just the furs and organs for perverse beliefs.

The most commercially valuable part of the seals is unquestionably the fur. That is the main reason they are hunted.

There is also the argument that seals prey on the recovering cod stocks that are so important to the Canadian fishing industry. However since they don't a ton of cod, and they also eat the fish that prey on cod, it's questionable if the seal has any significant effect on the cod population.

Other parts of the seal are used, but if you take out the commercial value of the fur, there wouldn't be enough money in seal hunting to support it as a commercial enterprise.

You can argue that people really don't need seal fur. Of course you can argue that we don't need to eat beef either.

For some strange reason, Freepers would think I am a bleeding heart liberal because of my abhorrence of wanton slaughter.

I think it's more from due to your tendency to make emotional arguments on this topic, and rationalize away the actions of people like Watson. You're arguing like a liberal. You're also willing to take at face value the claims of radical environmental groups.

Yet, the greatest destroyers of nature are socialist countries - The former Soviet Union, China, many failing Marxist African nations. Canada wants to join their ranks.

Another example of why people think you're acting like a liberal. The seal population has tripled since 1970. The seal hunt is sustainable. Nature isn't being destroyed by the seal hunt.

As for the entire seal not being used, have you ever seen how bear feed on salmon as the salmon are trying to swim up river.

The rivers are teeming with salmon, so the bears catch the fish and rips out the part that is highest in fat, and tosses the rest of the fish (which is most of the fish) back in the water or on the bank. Then they grab another.

Seals actually often do the same thing with cod.

I'll take my hat off to the stealthy hunter who goes into the woods hunting with a pistol. At least the wary prey have a chance.

You grew up in a city didn't you? I'm guessing that you never hunted, and didn't grow up around many people that do either.

Almost no one hunts with a pistol, and almost all that do are doing so for the sport of it. I did know some guys that carried 44 magnum revolvers while deer hunting because working your way through brush with a rifle in hand is a pain. Some of the hunters would often circle around and work their way through the brush trying to drive the deer towards their friends who were sitting up in deer stands, but if they were able to get close enough to one, the revolver would give them the option of taking a shot.

A pistol or revolver is generally a personal defense weapon. It can be used to hunt, but a long gun is better for that purpose, and is what is used by the vast majority of hunters. The majority of hunters don't even own handguns.

I don't actually hunt. Never really enjoyed hunting. However, it is a useful tool for managing animal populations, and don't object to hunting.

I suspect the socialized Canadian economy in the Maritime provinces sucks and the poor Canadians are doing the slaughter that better off Americans won't do. It wouldn't happen in the States.

It no longer happens in the States because of the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972. Populations of marine mammals in the US were getting dangerously low, so banning hunting of them except for by Indian, Aleut, or Eskimo peoples was reasonable.

I support reasonable restrictions on hunting to maintain animal populations as sustainable levels. Watson doesn't want to restrict seal hunting to reasonable levels, he wants a worldwide ban on it.

More power to Watson for doing what he has to do to bring attention to the slaughter. He's doing the work the media dare not.

The media doesn't cover the seal hunt and try and portray it badly? Are you seriously claiming that?

Protesting the seal hunt is a business that brings in more revenue that the seal hunt actually does. It brings considerable revenue and power to groups such as the Sea Sheppard Society, and people like Watson. He himself is an egomaniac, drunk on power and influence.

46 posted on 04/15/2008 7:45:05 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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