Posted on 04/13/2008 11:24:45 AM PDT by wagglebee
Did you catch the video this week of a student kicking the stuffing out of an art teacher in Baltimore, Maryland while the rest of the class cheered the pounding on? Y’know, if that teacher was moi, and some F-bomb dropping Darwinian throwback came over my desk to accost me, I’d grab my handy dandy scissors and plant ‘em in the feral teen’s skullcap, Jason Voorhees style.
From there I would proceed to snag the American flag from the corner of the room (if there was one) in order to stave off the rest of the flesh eating zombies ‘til Jason Statham came in with dual SKSes, spitting 154 grain FMJs, to assist with my safe exit.
As a teacher, I’d have painted on the front of my desk: DON’T TREAD ON ME—and I’d have the moxie to back it up.
Bumming a line from a movie with the late great Charlton Heston, it looks like the public schools (especially in the inner cities) are being run by “damned dirty apes.” The violent and obnoxious students are becoming emboldened in their bellicose behavior within the ridiculously overcrowded Public Stool System, and I believe we haven’t seen the half of this catastrophic snake. Teachers, you’d better have a serious plan in place—other than pushing a panic button—should you be next.
I’m not a prophet or a betting man, but (as stated) I’m a guessing it’s going to get worse. I’m talkin’ way bad (pardon my English; I went to Publik Skule). Mark my words. And I don’t care how much Obama talks about hope, or how many inspirational songs American Idol contestants cover, the dysfunctional die has been officially cast for increased chaos in the inner city classroom. Thank you, liberals.
We’ve got a stack of untamed teens who can’t do arithmetic doing the math and figuring out that they can bank street credit for their constant disruptions and violent attacks upon students and teachers with the penalty for their crimes being (maybe) a milquetoast slap on their tattooed wrist. Maybe. And the perks for their misbehaving? Well, they radically trump the mild and tame thump the delinquent gets on their never-utilized head.
Can you say, “Hello, pandemonium?” I knew you could.
Who the heck would want to be a teacher within such an out-of-control environment? I know if I were an undergrad with dreams of teaching “the next generation” within the Public Fool System, I think I’d switch majors after YouTubing the video of that teacher getting tenderized this week while the class was hooting and hollering.
Yep, I’d be looking for something less threatening like being a mole inside of an al-Qaeda death squad, or perhaps working as ranting Rosie’s personal assistant, or perhaps a vocation in neutering un-anesthetized, unusually angry wolverines.
It’s been four years since we pulled our teenage daughters out of the public school system and started to home school them, and I could kick myself for having waited so long. I owe you, girls. The educational, emotional, spiritual and physical progress they have made has been amazing. I’ve been ecstatically stunned at how they’ve aggressively embraced the new lease on their educational life.
Since we began this program, my oldest has graduated and is now in a great university and on her way to Boardwalk and Park Place. My other daughter is currently cruising through her online honors level classes as a girl uninterrupted.
Yep, it’s amazing that with their virtual schooling they actually get to study the basics, pursue their educational and athletic interests, and do it from wherever in the world they can get online (unlike public schools).
No longer do they have to wait for the 186% overcrowded class to decide to cease fighting and stop cussing and humping long enough that the teacher can teach the students how to write their name so that, later on in life, they can sign for their stuff once they leave whatever prison they’re in.
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You know what would solve the problem? Reintroduce corporol punishment in schools.
When I was young my grandmothr used to tell me stories of how the teachers would take the delinquent students out back to the shed and beat the living crap out of them.
I know it probably wouldn’t pass in todays leftist public school system, but its a nice thought anyway.
Here’s a pro-homeschooling editorial. Ping away!
My husband was talking to a man a work, who lives in Florida, about the teen beat down video. The man told him a story about his daughter’s senior prom. His daughter has down’s syndrome and attended a special public school for handicapped kids. The special school was invited to take part in the regular school senior prom. His daughter’s date was also a down’s kid and both fathers volunteered to chaperon the specail kids at the dance.
Well, the special kids were not a problem, but what the dads witnessed among the regular kids was appalling. He said that the kids would form a circle around a couple and the kids would go wild dancing, finishing up with the girl either being f-——, or giving the boy a Lewinski on the dance floor. He added that whites were in the minority at this school and none of the teachers or parents made a move to stop this.
Maybe in some mythical past time, I might have been OK with some public school administration bureaucrat/NEA member laying a hand on my child to correct his behavior/attitude. That time is, unfortunately, long since gone.
Oddly, I attended private secondary schools where the behavior problems were few and far between, and I don't recall any of the sutdents being beaten.
Respect for teachers (any adult) is gone. What do you expect when they tell kids that they are the masters of their own universe? What’s to be expected when their told that everything is okay to do as long as their happy? Respect is lost when the unborn are slaughtered and the youth of today look on while being told “It’s not a life, it’s a mother’s choice.” No value for life demonstrated to our youth equals no respect of life from the youth. This society reaps what it sows.
Thats good. Private schools usually don’t have much in the way of behavioral problems.
I plan on sending my kids to a private k-12 Baptist school where they’ll learn the Bible and Christian morality.
Sad but very true. I am amazed at what parents let their kids get away with in public these days. It’s amazing whenever you see a kid that actually has any manners. Much of this can be traced back to the 60s generation, the universities and popular culture. It will not be hard to trace where the decline of Western Civilization began.
Thinking about the art teacher beat-down in Baltimore where getting educated is “acting white” in the crumbling school system that now governor Martin O’Malley presided over.
When I was in High School being a teacher was a little cool(unless you were the elderly Mr. Smith who students hated), but being a substitute teacher was a special kind of hell.
I can recall three stories, three short ones: They were all around the same grade as I had to deal with students who conversed about stealing things and fighting outside the Elementary School that I used to go to. I also had to deal with a guy at the back of my schoolbus who claimed to get drunk with “Dirty Mexicans” and another guy who claimed to be an underachieving pot smoker whose glory day was “vomiting all over the McDonald’s after a long bong session”
It was only at the very end of the 12th grade(and I was a good student) until I had enough of the antics and got into Independent Study. No more Danny Lawson constantly sleeping in class, interrupting the teacher, making barnyard noises, whispering in my ear(I want to eat your brains), and only waking up to call a classmate an “idiot” before asking me if I shot Biggy.
The first one was when we were watching Seven Brides for Seven Brothers in Guitar class. This was with a few rowdy kids(one guy doing this very terrible guitar solo with his friends every five minutes after yelling out “Jam”) who were not pleased with the movie. At that time, everybody in class was so loud that I had to move closer to the TV set to take notes.
Mr. Jam and his girlfriend or whoever she was, near the end of the movie urged the teacher to turn it off and tried to exercise control of the classroom. Whoever says that schools derive respect for authorities must’ve had their heads banged in a locker because that is one example of a complete lack of respect for good teachers. I also know that substitute teachers are supposed to be like textbook teachers as they are just substitutions but it also makes people walk over them.
Another story was in Biology class. There was this one girl, Jennifer Masters, who blamed everybody else for everything wrong. One time we had a substitute teacher.
During the time of the class there were multiple interruptions, constant wantings to go to the bathroom it was horrible. This is what you have, IMO, when you send some people who are not mature enough for school to be taught by educators. The next day of class, Jennifer blamed the teacher for acting strict when Mr. Crocker(our teacher) knew the real story.
The third one happened in Contemporary Music class. As many students came in the class, they thought it was easy and when they got a lot of bad grades it became a warzone. Especially with the substitute teacher(who always showed up when I happened to give my presentation)
Little pieces of metal/plastic came flying, I got poked on the neck by a yardstick, hangers went flying like some kind of riot. Whoever the hell is an advocate for public schooling should attend one of these classes and then get hit by a flying hanger. I am only glad that the plastic hit the player and not me.
This all started with the Supreme Court’s ridiculous decision that school prayer violated the first amendment and the “seperation of church and state.”
The so called “seperation of church and state” is no where to be found in the Constitution. Which leaves the fact that our nation’s courts are complacent in the secularization and moral debasement of our public school system.
This would have never happened in my Oklahoma high school.. the principal still had a paddle.. and gave the kids a choice between a paddling, and being sent home.. the kids ALWAYS chose the paddle because they knew it would be worse at home.. we also had a dress code.. boys hair couldn’t be below collar level and their pants had to be hemmed.. girls had to dress modestly.. none of the kids would EVER have thought to curse at the teachers, let alone beat em up.. we also had to call em “sir” or “ma’am”.
This all started with the Supreme Court’s ridiculous decision that school prayer violated the first amendment and the “seperation of church and state.”
The so called “seperation of church and state” is no where to be found in the Constitution. Which leaves the fact that our nation’s courts are complacent in the secularization and moral debasement of our public school system.
I am OK for a separation of Religion and State in some regards, but banning prayer from school isn’t “progressive” or “great” it is seedy and one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of.
So basically if you pray near a public building it is blasphemous to the religion of State? Like a sign said:
The definition of irony: removing the ten commandments from a courthouse but in the same one swearing your oath on a bible.
To me, the problem with separating Religion and State is that where Religion is regulated, the State picks up. So soon, that we might even have a religious temple meant to worship whoever becomes the Democrat President next year, if either Hillary or Obama wins the general nod.
....and then he'd go to jail and discover violence of an unheard of level and wish to god that he had just called for help.
Poor performance = more money. We always get more of whatever we reward. IMO, the only way out of the trap is a voucher system and a relaxation of accreditation standards (as to help avoid the pitfall of regulatory capture by currently established agents).
The only indicator which matters (unfortunately, a lagging indicator) is post-education placement (career, trades, college, university, etc). It will be messy at first, but the long-term result will be stable and optimally-performing because valuation of each school and teacher will be based upon a rational metric, not upon some arbitrary correlative standard which can be corrupted or gamed.
If the state governments wanted to provide any service in this regard, I think it would be reasonable for them to compile 1, 5, and 10 year bulk placement statistics (including unemployment information if available) for each school and teacher receiving voucher funds.
I can believe that...only because it's from Giles.
Thats why we need McCain to win in November.
As much as I would have preferred Fred Thompson at least McCain will appoint originalist Judges to the Supreme Court. Its only a matter of time considering John Paul Stevens is 88 years old.
Obama on the other hand would appoint a socialist to the Supreme Court. With a McCain presidency at least we have a chance at repealing Roe v. Wade.
The day I quit teaching in this kind of setting, I figured I could get more money and have less stress street-walking! I talked to a teacher recently who said, “We are not allowed to touch the students. I had a defiant young man (high school) who stood in the doorway of my classroom. I touched his jacket to encourage him to come in. His mother called and SCREAMED at me/ at the office, that I dared to touch him.”
I suspected she was a lib. Why else would she be risking her life?
I wonder sometimes if today's homeschoolers are tomorrow's elites.
This is my sister’s last year teaching in Tucson - she’s tired of the whole routine. I asked her what it took in TUSD to hold a failing kid back a grade.
She replied, “If he can eat and get bigger, he’ll move up a grade!”
They say, “you get what you pay for”, and public schools are “free” so I guess they’re right.
“virtual schooling.” That pretty well sums it up.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The idea was to keep the state out of the churches, not to keep the churches out of the state. By banning prayer, they violated the 1st Amendment of "prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
I spend close to $6000/yr to send my daughter to private school and because of this I do have a little pull with the school authorities, ($6000 worth). I also have the option to send my daughter elsewhere. I've been pretty happy with my daughters school however. When all the parents at a school are making sacrifices from their finances and their time to send their kids to school they end up taking their children's education pretty seriously.
Exactly right. Thanks for pointing this out.
I suspect it wouldn’t pass with a lot of conservatives either, because parents and parents and many of them think the other kids need it but theirs don’t.
susie
And I ALWAYS tell their parents when I see well behaved kids in public. It usually surprises them, but they appreciate it, and it’s good for the kids to see that it’s noticed. And if some poorly behaved youngin’ happens to overhear, perhaps they will pause to reflect (altho I doubt it).
susie
And of course not all public schools are like what we read about in the papers. If they were, this story would not be news, it would be the norm.
susie
Good observation. In a media-image dominated world, one has to be reminded of the basics.
I saw an instance of this the other day at a local restaurant. The father, a boy (about 8), and his sister(about 6) were out for dinner. After the boy started teasing his sister, the father told to to move to another seat at the table.
At first, the boy refused to move. After the third time being told, he got up and in a disgusted tone said "OK, I'll f**kin' move." The father did absolutely nothing about it. Had I said that to my father, I'd probably still be looking for my teeth off in the corner of the restaurant.
Wow, Guitar Class? I should’ve gone to school with you.
Maybe I’d be able to do a decent lead now...
“I saw an instance of this the other day at a local restaurant. The father, a boy (about 8), and his sister(about 6) were out for dinner. After the boy started teasing his sister, the father told to to move to another seat at the table.
At first, the boy refused to move. After the third time being told, he got up and in a disgusted tone said “OK, I’ll f**kin’ move.” The father did absolutely nothing about it. Had I said that to my father, I’d probably still be looking for my teeth off in the corner of the restaurant.”
I don’t even want to recall what I know would have happened to me when I got back to the car or home if I had behaved similarly. The problems is that many kids know they can get away with it. They also know they have “rights” nowadays, too.
Reintroduce corporol punishment in schools.
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I am afraid that is much too simplistic. In your grandmother’s day, the parents would have backed up the paddle-wielding teacher. Today, 99% of the time, the parents of the delinquents approve of such horrid behavior in their offspring and would probably take a swing at the teacher themselves.
The problem starts in the home, and many parents — at all income levels — do not take the time to properly socialize their children.
Believe me, that 6 paragraph rant is why one of the most passionate topics I do talk about are my years in the Public School system(as I have no life). They should be wrecked by wrecking balls, replaced with business centers and decentralized enough to where a new movement happens that revives the Greco-Roman period of education. I am sick of overcrowded classrooms filled with students who constantly talk to one another during classtime, harrass the teacher, and stay in school.
It is like voting, pure Democracy is all in the word “no” and so people don’t always have to be educated in the same tinderbox as everybody else. This is the same school, the one I went to, that was no.1 in the county and no.2 in pot smoking. It was also 15 minutes away from Annapolis in a “small town” yet probably because I was in level II schooling I had to deal with the cult fetishers.
Not that I wasn’t a rebel myself(I wrote a song by the age of 15 called Jailhouse Blues which was one of my first songs. It was about how school was no different than a jailhouse or a Communist State) in guitar class. I love music and would love to form a band but I was too experimental. Just remember, this may be the tip of the iceberg as I was in Middle School when Columbine happened.
The teachers were also usually uniformly nice which made me feel a lot of pity for them, and I started to lose faith in my generation by the students I saw. A few people have actually told me to be a history teacher but it would be a lot more useful to be the kind of reformer you see in the movies. My old principal tried to do that, including videos on morality, but nonetheless we all shrugged and laughed it off. Yet, however he was being very serious.
Perhaps, being older, I would feel a lot to like about the movies and I also would’ve liked the abstinence things we had. What really struck my mind, and I was too numb and naive to notice, was how much the teachers cared more for their pay than for their students as they held technical teacher’s strikes in High School. It almost seems like when you have a Union, especially a big one, it always feeds off of resentment, conformity and not how to teach the students better but freebies.
How many children in the U.S. attend public school? How many instances of this behavior occur throughout the U.S. in public schools? How many people are assaulted on city streets in the U.S. compared to the number of teachers who are assaulted in public schools? Should we abandon our city streets too while we are at it?
How many of these teacher assaults occurred during each previous decade going back the last 30 or 40 years or more? Are things really getting worse, or has the advent of 24 hour news cycles and readily available video recording devices made for such incidents to become much more widely reported over the course of the past 10 to 15 years. People making “knee jerk” “emotional” comments about such incidents adds little to the debate.
I remember in the seventh grade Bobby C was shooting spitwads in Mr. Isler’s class. Mr. Isler grabbed Bobby by the shirt collar and literally kicked him to the door. He took him down to the principal’s office and whipped him so hard Bobby cussed and ran out. We didn’t see him for two or three days. I thought it was great. (This would have been around 1963/64)
You don’t sound too far from my age.
I’m a product of Brooklyn, NY public education. I was in 5th grade during the OJ trials, and I wanted him guilty, even at the age of 10.
Like you I really hope schools are reformed very badly, or they’re all scraped altogether. Lincoln High School has turned into a fortress. Metal detectors at the front and auditorium entrances; no cellular phones or music players allowed in. I can’t remember if there were 5 teachers that I liked.
I would have been D E A D, period, no discussion.
You two are only a few years younger than me. I left public schools in 1993 during the 6th grade, but not over academics. I wouldn’t think of sending anyone there now.
Ah I am 21 years old(22 this June) and can recall the OJ stuff.
I lived in Owings Mills, Maryland at the time in an apartment with my father and mother as we were preparing to move to Severna Park where my High School was. Suddenly some young kid knocked on our door and told us to watch the TV because it was about OJ Simpson. We turned the TV on and I can still remember the helicopter and all of the trees as the big arrest was made. I don’t remember much after that except that it was rather historic.
I also remember that my father used to call me orange juice or juice juice and that was on all of the protestor’s signs outside of the courthouse when the trial went on. I never had a big opinion on him as I was too busy playing Adventure Island III to bother or care.
I’m a product of Randallstown/Severna Park education and now Gainesville/Palm Beach Gardens education as I moved to Florida for college. I never really made many friends after 9/11 as I got more and more serious. It might’ve been my activated Neo-Conservatism or something but my educational career with friends was mostly over by then.
I used to be an advocate of public schooling, perhaps because I was in there. The funny thing is that we probably could’ve afforded private schooling and my parents would’ve been great home-schoolers(in fact I got homeschooled by my mom in the 9th Grade on Concepts of Algebra since the teacher was very bad. I learned more from my mom than the teacher). The public school route, however, was easy, convenient and might’ve also been because my father was on the pathway to being a reformed Democrat(he became a Republican in 2002 but I still don’t think that he understands how politics work, I think most people don’t understand how it works myself).
Yes, there has to be a reformation of the public school system or a total demolition. IMO, business and jobs are a lot more useful than an education laid out by people you won’t care about in a few years so I suggested business centers. They would be more useful, and they could also have the PC stuff involved also(diversity training)
Severna Park High School was not really a fortress but I remember in a Middle School I went to where a kid was expelled for carrying a knife into school. I also remember a few bomb threats. And I remember Columbine, the wanna-bes and the day I had to miss(I think) because somebody posted somewhere that they were going to kill a few kids.
That is funny about the cell phones and music players. So, no cell phones even on vibrate? I can possibly understand music players, they are sort of like how my school banned students from wearing hats. I would like to hear all about your experiences at Lincoln High School and why no reformer has made it safe for kids to go around without metal detectors. I suggest that all kids in these bankrupt schools to watch movies like Lean On Me which are close to finding out about how a school can be transformed.
I also must laugh because Blackboard Jungle warned us all about it, and it was fictional. Nowadays every single movie about a school reformer(I love movies) is based on a true story especially with rebellious and out of control kids. It is almost like they are trying to set up a blueprint for the reformers. I also find it ironic that you went to school, in Brooklyn. I knew somebody who went to school around there and it wasn’t the most pleasant of experiences.
A big reformer who wrote a book called The Underground History of American Education has helped me give myself a plan or solution to what is going on right now. That guy, I forget his name, used to be a public school teacher in Manhattan.
Ah, bad teachers. BAD teachers. I’ve had a few. The Concepts of Algebra teacher was horrible. She assigned us lots of pages of homework, a lot of attitude(she was a black woman who wore an Integrate This T-shirt and I don’t think that it had to do with Mathematics), and very hard problems to do. My mother, who taught me all the way through to pass the class, said that that teacher(Mrs. Roberson) stunted my growth in the Math department. She even, on the final review, had an inconclusive question on it.
My daughter works part time in a retail shop where a lot of very wealthy people shop for their kids. Yesterday a mother with 6 and 9 yo daughters came in for clothes. They wouldn’t put down their Game Boys long enough to pay attention to getting fitted - the mother did nothing but beg “please ___, the nice lady wants you to try on the ___” and the kids ignored her. Soon the kids wandered off and discovered trading cards - had to have one of every one in the store. Mom said OK. When the older girl needed to try on a few more things, the Mom went to pick up the cards off the floor. The girl slapped her mother’s hand and said to her mother “Buzz off”. The mother ignored it !
If that had been my kid, she’d have had a very clean mouth and a very sore butt. My kid was outraged and couldn’t believe the Mom did nothing.
While I don’t necessarily agree that public schools should be abandoned altogether, I also don’t want my children attending them with all this secularism, multiculturalism and anti-Americanism going on in our public school system either.
I think what we need to do is abolish the department of education, encact a voucher system so that parents in any income bracket can send their children to the school of their choice, enact merit pay for teachers, bring back into our public schools prayer, the ten commandments and the Bible, and teach the basics once again including American history, civics, reading, writing, science and arithmetic.
Until public schools enact these reforms I refuse to send my children to them.
It is good to know that there are two Conservatives around my age. Sometimes I feel like a lonely Conservative on this island especially this blue island of Palm Beach County. I guess that is why I write song lyrics, in order to rant to somebody whoever about all of the wrong things in life, including Liberalism.
Perchance if it isn’t too personal why did you leave your School? I was thinking about leaving mine for a little bit and moving to California because I got bored of the school atmosphere and everything around it. It is quite funny hearing educators say that students learn all at different rates yet that is why Homeschooling is such a great idea.
I also got very disillusioned by school after returning from a Summer Performance Art camp, and learning that the school administrators can do anything to the students. Yet even Mrs. Pickley(I think that was her name) was hated and yet she probably stopped at least a little bit of the misbehavior that everybody else ignored. It made me think of a gulag however, I wasn’t happy at all being there and some events made me less happy.
Which leads me to another story(I hate boring people with my long rantings but my tag-line is who I am). I am a special-ed kid in a way, I have this disability called asperger’s syndrome. I also have PDD(Pervasive Developmental Disorder) so I had close ties to the Special Ed office in High School. It was during these talks and negotiations of some sort that I had an empty space in my schedule.
My parents and I worked out that that would be study hall time. I would go to a school within a school called the Hannah Moore school which was a school for those who had autism(a form of what I have). It was a small room outside of the Administrator’s office and was taught by 2-3 people including a guy named Mr. Beers(that was his name I think).
During the class I would do whatever I had to while sitting down on the ground or in a desk as the 9th and 10th graders(I was a Senior then) would listen and respond to him and the female teacher(Mrs. Zander). Unfortunately the political dynamics sometimes came out as the only person who seemed remotely Conservative was Mrs. Zanders while everybody else made constant Bush jokes. It was also during 2004 and man do I hate election years as they bring the worst out of people.
I usually try to keep my calm as I am not one to go off the pot or to respond to politics because they are irrelevant and I am a guest. However, like anything else, it was leading up to a fuse that bled. I wasn’t going to take it anymore.(I am very opinionated and also super-sensitive to politics)
I also for a while wasn’t too much going to the study school because either it was too noisy or I didn’t need to but the Administrators wanted me to stay there until class ended. Well, one day Mrs. Zanders wasn’t in the classroom but Mr. Beers was. For some reason all 4 students got into a Bush bashing event along with Mr. Beers.
I tried to tell Mr. Beers and everybody that he isn’t that bad and then he screamed to me about Michael Moore and how he tells the truth, the 59 lies of Bush, and also that Moore tells the truth because he cites his sources. It is almost like a Social Worker or public educator to be so Liberal, but it surprised me because nobody I knew was that full of BDS. Even my Liberal History teacher and my Socialist teacher in Journalism were actually very thoughtful in what I was doing(even when I wrote an article on where Homosexuality came from he was OK)
This guy however screamed and screamed and I screamed also because I felt overpowered. I then ran out of the room(he screamed that I was going AWOL which I sort of took as another Bush bashing joke), crying(yes grown men can cry. Especially if it is one of the first times I had a group of people gang up on me because my views were unpopular) to see the school Psychologist(I saw a lot of them in the 10th grade BTW). I told her the whole story and I think she sided with me. Maybe another problem was that I didn’t talk to many like-minded people at that time(my first exposure to a public forum online was the Instabark at the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler blog)
However I had to go back to the room, apologize to Mr. Beers(I gave him the whole BS apology hand-crafted, I think even Mrs. Zanders realized that I was as stiff as stone but that was the only way I could escape penalty was to apologize) and walk out.
There are lots of Tipping Points approaching. Parent who “get it”—that Tipping Point is a long way off. But the supply of teachers who want to get stomped (stabbed, shot, killed) in Art Class is not endless. So that those who have died in government schools will not have died in vain: Abolish government schools.
They had an inkwell on each desh back then, too. So if we bring back inkwells, the schools would be much more orderly, also.
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