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Trading Nude Photos Via Mobile Phone Now Part of Teen Dating, Experts Say
Fox News ^ | 14 April 2008 | AP

Posted on 04/14/2008 6:33:21 AM PDT by batter

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Forget about passing notes in study hall; some teens are now using their cell phones to flirt and send nude pictures of themselves.

The instant text, picture and video messages have become part of some teens' courtship behavior, police and school officials said.

The messages often spread quickly and sometimes find their way to public Web sites.

"I've seen everything from your basic striptease to sexual acts being performed," said Reynoldsburg police Detective Brian Marvin, a member of the FBI Cyber Crime Task Force of Central Ohio. "You name it, they will do it at their home under this perceived anonymity."

Westerville Central High School senior Jerome Ray said he's received such unsolicited messages, including one from a classmate while he was sitting with his girlfriend.

"A lot more girls are aggressive," said Ray, 18. "Some girls are crazy and they are putting themselves out there."

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We've had the same problem here in Utah. A Jr. High in Farmington had a bunch of kids busted for the same stuff. It would be a good idea to block picture and video messaging from you child's phone.

The end quote of the article sums it up well - "They don't see anything wrong with it," he said. "It leaves me speechless."

1 posted on 04/14/2008 6:33:22 AM PDT by batter
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To: batter

Hard core porn is becoming way too common and nearly acceptable behavior. You’ve come a long ways baby.


2 posted on 04/14/2008 6:35:17 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: All
Not only blocking the image stuff, put it would also be helpful if parents would act as parents (instead of being 'best friends') and talk to their kids about appropriate behavior (and consequences).

Seems a lot of kids just have no moral compass whatsoever.

3 posted on 04/14/2008 6:36:46 AM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: batter

Isnt this child pornography?


4 posted on 04/14/2008 6:37:25 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: batter
We hear about cases in which a kid in Kindergarten slaps a classmate's butt and is branded a sex offender (this just happened). I'm wondering when some Junior High kids will start serving time in prison for distribution of child pornography.

I don't like zero tolerance stupidity, but I fail to see how pictures of naked students can NOT be a legal violation.

5 posted on 04/14/2008 6:40:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Always Right

We are in the end times-—that’s all I can think of to explain something like this.


6 posted on 04/14/2008 6:40:31 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Since it is perpetrated by minors, prosecution depends on the jurisdiction. Posting the images on the web (or sending them to adults), however, would, probably, elevate the charges as your are then distributing the images to adults.


7 posted on 04/14/2008 6:40:32 AM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: batter

And we had to go to National Geographic for pics.


8 posted on 04/14/2008 6:41:09 AM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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9 posted on 04/14/2008 6:42:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: batter
Since it is perpetrated by minors, prosecution depends on the jurisdiction. Posting the images on the web (or sending them to adults), however, would, probably, elevate the charges as your are then distributing the images to adults.

As far as the enforcement of the law is concerned, you may be right. But I have a real problem with laws (any laws) which are applied to "some folks" while others are given a pass. If the statutes on child pornography specifically say that distribution to kids is A-OK, then fine. But I suspect that the statutes do not contain any age demarcation at which child pornography is OK.

One law for all the people. No special classes.

10 posted on 04/14/2008 6:47:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Isnt this child pornography?

Interesting question, isn't it.

Is it child pornography if the child in question takes the picture BY THEMSELVES, with no coercion, and then sends the picture UNSOLICITED to others?????

I'm against kiddie porn as much as the next guy, but if a 16 going on 25 Britney Spears wannabe starts sending pictures of her private parts to a bunch of hormone-soaked teenage boys, then no, I don't think the boys should be prosecuted for kiddie porn, regardless of what some idiotic overly-broad law says. The girl, OTOH, should be subject to whatever corporal punishment she DOESN'T find "exciting".
11 posted on 04/14/2008 6:48:49 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: batter

We have Hollywood and feminism to thank for the destruction of our society.


12 posted on 04/14/2008 6:49:00 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: batter
Westerville Central High School

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This is a very upscale area. Surely, their schools would be considered a “good” schools.

Isn't it amazing how almost all of these school outrage stories are from schools that would be considered “good”....BUT...we all know that this in **not** happening in the “good” schools of the government school defenders on this message board. ( sarc)

13 posted on 04/14/2008 6:49:03 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: SouthTexas

We had the Polaroid Swinger and a 8-cent first-class postage.


14 posted on 04/14/2008 6:49:21 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Also, I think here in Utah, the teens were charged with misdemeanors for lewdness (BUT, I don’t think any of the pictures were posted on the web or sent to an adult).


15 posted on 04/14/2008 6:50:08 AM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Isnt this child pornography?

Interesting question, isn't it.

Is it child pornography if the child in question takes the picture BY THEMSELVES, with no coercion, and then sends the picture UNSOLICITED to others?????

I'm against kiddie porn as much as the next guy, but if a 16 going on 25 Britney Spears wannabe starts sending pictures of her private parts to a bunch of hormone-soaked teenage boys, then no, I don't think the boys should be prosecuted for kiddie porn, regardless of what some idiotic overly-broad law says. The girl, OTOH, should be subject to whatever corporal punishment she DOESN'T find "exciting".
16 posted on 04/14/2008 6:50:36 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: batter

Kids don’t seem to care that many copies of these pics are kept in a variety of places. When they get to be adults, stuff like this will bite them.


17 posted on 04/14/2008 6:50:51 AM PDT by devane617 (My Kharma Ran Over Your Dogma)
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To: basil
We are in the end times-—that’s all I can think of to explain something like this.

Internet has made access to this kind of stuff just so easy. It is hard to believe just how many girls are willing to put themselves on tape doing this kind of stuff.

18 posted on 04/14/2008 6:50:53 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: batter

This is the post-Clinton generation. Their formative years were spent hearing about how sexual escapades are perfectly “normal”


19 posted on 04/14/2008 6:51:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SouthTexas
And we had to go to National Geographic for pics

We had the Polaroid Swinger. That made for some interesting mail calls.
20 posted on 04/14/2008 6:53:42 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: BikerJoe

“but if a 16 going on 25 Britney Spears wannabe”

What about 15 years old?


21 posted on 04/14/2008 6:54:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh; ClearCase_guy; All
I was able to find a semi-recent story on the Farmington Utah case and what happened here (looks like some will be hit with felonies):

Prosecutors taking action against teens accused of distributing porn

"The facts of these cases fit the felonies. We just determined we wanted to handle most of them at the misdemeanor level and try to make it fit there, because we felt that was the most appropriate for the ages of the children that we are dealing with," Rawlings said.

Prosecutors say the meetings have gone very well, with good cooperation from students, many of whom had no idea it was illegal.

The Davis County Attorney's Office could file charges against a handful of students who would then face second- and third-degree felony charges for manufacturing and distributing child pornography.

"Some of the differences can be factual: Was the person they sent it to over 14 or under 14? What was the nature of their involvement? What was the level of their conduct? What did it depict?" Rawlings said. "Some of these were merely photos. Some were actually memorializing sex acts taking place."

This also brings up another question. Should schools prohibit cell phones with image or video transfer capability? Apparently, in the Farmington case, some pictures were taken of kids changing in the locker room (victims were NOT willing accomplices).

22 posted on 04/14/2008 6:58:46 AM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BikerJoe

See post#22 for how it was handled in Utah. It depended on involvement. I don’t think just receiving the photos is going to land your kid in the hot seat - it depends what they do with it. A few kids made their parents and law enforcement aware of the problem - they were not prosecuted. If they would’ve been quiet about it and forwarded the images on, then they would have been in trouble.


23 posted on 04/14/2008 7:04:18 AM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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Ten years after Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades and his wife’s implicit approval, do these kids think of the Clinton’s attitude about sex when they’re doing this?

No.

Did the Clinton’s attitude about sex help usher in these strange, strange sexual days?

Yes.

I will say it without hesitation: The Clintons will rot in hell for what they brought upon this country.


24 posted on 04/14/2008 7:04:35 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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Here's one more quote from the Utah case (see post#22 for link) on why some were charged with a felony:

Davis County Deputy District Attorney Ron Dunn says some of the more serious cases possibly involve blackmail. "In that case we have a clear victim of an exploitive act; and in those situations, we're definitely looking at a felony," he said.

25 posted on 04/14/2008 7:06:44 AM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: duckworth

In order to “not judge” Clinton’s behavior, the left, the media, and the educational community have destroyed any sense of right and wrong when it comes to sexual matters.

Not sure that this is the only impetus, but it was a reason to further their agenda.

Think about it - there is no issue other than those related to consequence-free sexual activity in which “liberals” (rootword: liberty?) actually side with individual freedom.


26 posted on 04/14/2008 7:07:23 AM PDT by MrB (There is no problem we face today that isn't the result of a liberal policy.)
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To: batter

Man, I picked the wrong time to be a teenager.


27 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:11 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: BenLurkin
This is the post-Clinton generation. Their formative years were spent hearing about how sexual escapades are perfectly “normal”

They spent their formative years being told that stuff like this doesn't even have anything to do with sex.

28 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wintertime
I don't think this is a private-school vs. governmnent-school issue. (I am NOT a defender of government schools; our daughter is in Catholic school.) The local, “elite” private school is rife with casual sex, drug use, and a general defiance of authority - or so we are told even by the parents of children who attend school there. It is a widespread cultural problem, unfortunately.
29 posted on 04/14/2008 7:09:53 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Thrownatbirth

Come to think of it, we had some of those too, but that was later on, when there was more to photograph. :)


30 posted on 04/14/2008 7:11:50 AM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: batter
If I ever caught my daughter doing this, she'd lose her cell phone priviledges until she moved out of the house. (That's just for starters.)

It would be a good idea to block picture and video messaging from you child's phone.

Good idea.

31 posted on 04/14/2008 7:15:05 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: duckworth
Did the Clinton’s attitude about sex help usher in these strange, strange sexual days?

Yes.

Everybody was having sex with everybody when I went to high school during the Reagan years. Can't really blame this on Clinton. I'd say the internet is the number one factor in the normalization of pornography. Had Clinton's sex scandals never happened, we'd still be where we are today.

32 posted on 04/14/2008 7:17:37 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Can a child be guilty of child porn?


33 posted on 04/14/2008 7:18:49 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: batter
Should schools prohibit cell phones with image or video transfer capability?

I don't think such phones even exist anymore.

34 posted on 04/14/2008 7:18:52 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: SouthTexas
And we had to go to National Geographic for pics.

LOL

I saw Radar O'Reilly doing that on an episode of M*A*S*H.

35 posted on 04/14/2008 7:19:51 AM PDT by Dumpster Baby (“It’s not a lie if you believe it”)
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To: basil

There has always been something throughout history, that makes people think we are in the end times.


36 posted on 04/14/2008 7:22:16 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: riverdawg
and a general defiance of authority - or so we are told even by the parents of children who attend school there. It is a widespread cultural problem, unfortunately.

I keep hearing that the number one problem in schools is discipline. At some point, the feel-good social psychologists need to drop the "just love them more" and bring back "the board of education", and be willing to fight the ensuring lawsuits.
37 posted on 04/14/2008 7:22:41 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: riverdawg
I don't think this is a private-school vs. governmnent-school issue.( riverdawg)
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In message #13 I didn't say that it was.

It's just that parents make great sacrifices so that they can live in areas with “good” schools. Westerville is definitely an area that a parent would expect to find a “good” government school. I lived in the town for 2 years and my 9 year old son attended the local elementary school.

Yet...Have you noticed? It seems that there are far more school outrage stories from schools from areas that are middle to upper middle class.

I think parents who think that these things are not happening in their child's school are deluding themselves.

38 posted on 04/14/2008 7:22:51 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; wagglebee

See, this is what happens because kids believed old Slick Willie when he said “I did not have ‘sex’ with that woman.” They don’t consider oral sex as sex and now they don’t consider porn as porn.

What’s next: sending a cellphone image of new boy/girlfriend and self having nonsex after you break up?


39 posted on 04/14/2008 7:23:45 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: stuartcr
Can a child be guilty of child porn?

Yes. This has been successfully prosecuted.

There was a case in the last few months where two minors were charged with producing and distributing child pornography. The were boyfriend and girlfriend taking and emailing naked photos to each other. One of the parents found out about it and called the police to teach their child a lesson. The parents were a little shocked when the prosecution brought these children up on felony sex offenses. Oops! Lesson learned!

The story is around here somewhere. I'll try and find a link.

40 posted on 04/14/2008 7:23:48 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: riverdawg
My two kids were home-schooled, and thus were not "prepared" for the level of binge drinking and wanton sex in college. (If I had tried to prepare them for this at home, I'm sure I would have been put in jail.)

Animal House and Porky's are anachronisms. The world has moved beyond them.

41 posted on 04/14/2008 7:24:20 AM PDT by AZLiberty (Wipe the national hard drive and reinstall the Constitution.)
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To: stuartcr
There has always been something throughout history, that makes people think we are in the end times.

Well--one of these days one of us is going to be right--LOL!

42 posted on 04/14/2008 7:27:57 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: AppyPappy

I’m gonna swerve into the ditch here.A lot of times we work at high schools , the girls do not dress or act like they did when I was in school 20+ years ago.They DO not even look like the girls who graduated and came back the next year to visit. the sexualization is so overt it is mind boggling that their parents have let things get this way.
It is like a horde of Britney Spears or Paris Hiltons.In the Midwest, a woman I dated niece came to live with her for a while.She would act normal around us, but if the her phone rang it was Little Kim or Queen Latifah was being channeled through this blond hair, blue eyed 16 year old!

The” Bitch” word was both a noun , verb and adjective.
And interchangeably with insult and affection.


43 posted on 04/14/2008 7:28:38 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: BikerJoe
Is it child pornography if the child in question takes the picture BY THEMSELVES, with no coercion, and then sends the picture UNSOLICITED to others?????

I'm sure that some adult parent whose name is on a cellphone account used to transmit/receive those under-age nudie pics will end up in jail over this question.

44 posted on 04/14/2008 7:28:47 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: batter

10 or so years ago when I had a 15 year old foster child, kids were emailing each other topless pictures in chat rooms.

Don’t ask how I found out.

And secondly, the notes these girls passed to one another where XXX, and that’s saying a lot, coming from me! Most of my job was trying very hard to keep her from finding way to get pregnant.


45 posted on 04/14/2008 7:32:11 AM PDT by najida (On FR- Everyman is Brad Pitt, Everywoman is Aunt Bea)
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To: Drew68

They still exist. Now, they also have phones that limit calls to certain numbers. The phones can only make calls to parents’ cell phones, the home phone and 911. These are, typically, marketed as phones for children for those who don’t want to give their kid a feature rich phone and want to limit their child’s talk time when in school etc. (basically, it is intended as strictly an emergency and family phone).


46 posted on 04/14/2008 7:33:16 AM PDT by batter (The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: basil

In this issue, I certainly hope no one is right...but then again, there ain’t much we can do about it.


47 posted on 04/14/2008 7:37:34 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: batter
"A lot more girls are aggressive," said Ray, 18. "Some girls are crazy and they are putting themselves out there."

Watch your daughters around this one. At the tender age of 18 this one already knows that girls are much dirtier than boys. He's gonna be a predator.

48 posted on 04/14/2008 7:40:26 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: batter

I guess they would also have to ban cameras and internet access.


49 posted on 04/14/2008 7:40:52 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Isnt this child pornography?\

Perhaps. However, what do you do when the pornographer is the subject, director, producer, and distributer?

50 posted on 04/14/2008 7:42:06 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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