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Warmer seas, over-fishing spell disaster for oceans: scientists
Terra Daily ^ | 04/11/2008 | Staff Writers

Posted on 04/14/2008 11:10:23 AM PDT by cogitator

The future food security of millions of people is at risk because over-fishing, climate change and pollution are inflicting massive damage on the world's oceans, marine scientists warned this week.

The two-thirds of the planet covered by seas provide one fifth of the world's protein -- but 75 percent of fish stocks are now fully exploited or depleted, a Hanoi conference that ended Friday was told.

Warming seas are bleaching corals, feeding algal blooms and changing ocean currents that impact the weather, and rising sea levels could in future threaten coastal areas from Bangladesh to New York, experts said.

"People think the ocean is a place apart," said Peter Neill, head of the World Ocean Observatory. "In fact it's the thing that connects us -- through trade, transportation, natural systems, weather patterns and everything we depend on for survival."

Marine ecosystems and food security were key concerns at the Global Conference on Oceans, Coasts, and Islands, an international meeting of hundreds of experts from governments, environmental groups and universities.

"There is a race to fish, but in wild capture fisheries right now we can catch no more," said Steven Murawski, fisheries chief science advisor at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

"We catch 100 million metric tonnes per year, and that's been very flat globally. Our only hope is if we conserve and rebuild stocks," he said, adding that sustainable aquaculture could help make up the shortfall.

The current plunder is risking long-term sustainability with "too many fishing boats taking too many fish and not allowing the stocks to regenerate," said Frazer McGilvray of Conservation International.

"Once the oceans are gone, we're gone. The oceans sustain the planet."

The world has already seen the effects of over-fishing, experts said.

North Atlantic cod fisheries collapsed in the 1990s, anchovies previously disappeared off Chile, herring off Iceland and sardine off California.

Sixty-four percent of ocean areas fall outside national jurisdictions, making it difficult to reach international consensus or to stop illegal fishing -- a growing concern as high-tech ships scour the high seas.

"It's the Wild West. It's a very small number of boats but the technology allows them to take enormous amounts of fish," said Neill.

"They take only the high commercial product and they throw the bycatch overboard. The waste is extraordinary."

Marine life is also being harmed by climate change, said Murawski.

"We've seen that fish populations go up and down with variations in the climate," he said. "Increasingly we are starting to see long term change affect the productivity, the distributions, the migrations."

The trend is speeding up, Murawski said.

"Our forecasts are wrong," he said. "The melt-off is much faster than has been forecast in the models."

Meanwhile land-based pollution puts heavy strain on oceans, said Ellik Adler of the UN Environment Programme.

"Rivers of untreated sewage, factories, refineries, oil industry discharge their effluent into the marine environment, and this causes huge damage," he said. "Marine pollution has no political borders."

There are few easy fixes, experts said, but one initiative now being considered is setting up a global network of marine protected areas.

"You've got to get agreements between countries," said consultant Sue Wells, whose has worked in coastal East Africa. "Some developed countries have already closed some areas, and most coastal countries are now considering it."

Satellites could monitor no-catch areas, she said, while inspiration could come from South Pacific fishing communities.

"They have taboo areas, coral reef sanctuaries, where fish would be saved for bad weather periods or major festivals and feast," she said. "They know if they leave an area and don't fish there, they'll have much better stocks."

It is a view that has been lost in modern times, she said, where the common view now was "if I don't go and fish it, someone else will."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: climate; coastalenvironment; danger; environment; fisheries; globalwarming; marinebiology; marineenvironment; oceans
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I heard or read recently that salmon fishing off California has been banned this year; I posted that Russia is proposing a moratorium on Caspian Sea sturgeon; countries are banding together to cut way back on the bluefin tuna catch; and the harvest of Chesapeake Bay blue crabs will probably get knocked way down too; perhaps a complete ban on females.

It's that time, apparently.

1 posted on 04/14/2008 11:10:23 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Warmer seas? Do these clowns ever read the latest temp measurements? What loons.


2 posted on 04/14/2008 11:13:52 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: cogitator

It is a shame that the global warming that IS going on, which we are not responsible for, will get all the press that this REAL problem should be getting. We really do need to take better care of the oceans. Now, if we can get CHINA to stop polluting....


3 posted on 04/14/2008 11:15:22 AM PDT by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: cogitator

I guess I must be an optimistic fisherman. Seems there is still 25% of something or other out there to exploit for profit, change bait and lets go fishing.


4 posted on 04/14/2008 11:16:15 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Da Coyote

I was watching “Dangerous Catches” on TV the other night, and the crab and cod fishermen in the Bearing Sea were complaining how the winter of 2007 was the worst in a few decades. Also, the icecap was moving south at a faster rate than normal, cutting off some prime fishing grounds.


5 posted on 04/14/2008 11:16:29 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: cogitator

The ocean temperatures have been dropping, despite computer models which say otherwise. Oh well, I am sure cooling temperatures are just as disastrous. Either way, we are all gonna die and it is our fault.


6 posted on 04/14/2008 11:17:21 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Da Coyote

Indeed. The oceans are NOT getting warmer.


7 posted on 04/14/2008 11:18:59 AM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
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To: cogitator; xcamel
Warming Seas? Where????




8 posted on 04/14/2008 11:20:06 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: cogitator
[I]nspiration could come from South Pacific fishing communities. "They have taboo areas, coral reef sanctuaries, where fish would be saved for bad weather periods or major festivals and feast," she said

I think that if 21st century industrialized societies can model themselves after oceanic societies from the South Pacific, we'll all be better off. A little head-hunting, a little cannibalism, a little "throw the virgin in the volcano" and before you know it the human population on the planet will be down to a manageable level.

9 posted on 04/14/2008 11:20:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: cogitator
Warming seas are bleaching corals, feeding algal blooms and changing ocean currents that impact the weather, and rising sea levels could in future threaten coastal areas from Bangladesh to New York, experts said.

What a crock. See this:

The Mystery of Global Warming's Missing Heat

(Enjoyable read; the scientists can't really accept the oceans are NOT warming and actually show some cooling!!)

10 posted on 04/14/2008 11:22:00 AM PDT by CedarDave (John, When will you respect conservatives the way you do fellow senators Barack, Hillary and JohnK?)
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To: cogitator

South China Sea is not looking well these days. Could be trouble with the fish. They have to go farther out and the fish they catch are smaller.


11 posted on 04/14/2008 11:23:02 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: cogitator

So the Russian trawlers will leave the U.S. coastal waters, and China will institute pollution control. Right?


12 posted on 04/14/2008 11:23:46 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: CedarDave

Maybe we could start feeding the fish and crabs #2 Feed Corn from the Midwest so they will grow faster and we won’t starve.


13 posted on 04/14/2008 11:24:20 AM PDT by sitkaspruce
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To: cogitator

Just realized that it was you that posted the article. Forgot for a moment that you are FR’s biggest Al Gore supporter and Kool-Aid drinker when it comes to global warming. I’d suggest you re-educate yourself by reading some of the articles here:

http://www.icecap.us/


14 posted on 04/14/2008 11:25:13 AM PDT by CedarDave (John, When will you respect conservatives the way you do fellow senators Barack, Hillary and JohnK?)
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To: cogitator

Over fishing for sure.

They are talking about closing Salmon season up here in the PNW too.

The other thing the article fails to mention is we have fished all the higher trophic fish down to where all we have left is the shrimp and other tiny lower trophic marine life

Haven’t had a crab season here on the Oregon coast for a couple of years.

It is all imported from Canada/Alaska and you’ll see King Crab legs.

And in place of USA prawns it is all Asian stuff and frog legs in the fish window (I don’t get that) frog legs from China.

So all the tourist coming through think they are getting local fish not.

The Indian Casino buffets have the only seafood buffet and it is nothing to write home about.

Tuna here in the PNW was shown to be actually growing in population according to the Marine Scientists.


15 posted on 04/14/2008 11:27:04 AM PDT by Global2010
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To: qam1

Post the SST anomaly maps again in July, so we can see how La Nina’s doing then.


16 posted on 04/14/2008 11:32:18 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: CedarDave

Sea level rise since 1994, based on global satellite measurements (radar altimetry). Main cause of this trend; thermal expansion of the oceans, augmented a bit by increased ice melt from continental ice masses.

Regarding the link; the upper 200 meters are a bit variable, as demonstrated most notably by the El Nino and La Nina phenomena. Give it time. 4 years isn't enough time.

17 posted on 04/14/2008 11:40:41 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Salmon fishing is to be reduced 80 percent (I recall) off the coast of California, Oregon and Washington.


18 posted on 04/14/2008 11:41:52 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: RightWhale
South China Sea is not looking well these days. Could be trouble with the fish. They have to go farther out and the fish they catch are smaller.

That news matches the global trend. Why do you focus on the South China Sea in particular?

19 posted on 04/14/2008 11:41:58 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

More Chilean Sea Bass Senator Kerry?


20 posted on 04/14/2008 11:44:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: CedarDave
I’d suggest you re-educate yourself by reading some of the articles here:

Thanks for the suggestion. It may be useful to some people to to reconfirm their misperceptions. I, on the other hand, don't need it.

FR’s biggest Al Gore supporter and Kool-Aid drinker

Name-calling and aspersion casting is a poor replacement for reasoned discourse. But I'm used to it. Do you think calling me names is going to do anything about the bluefin tuna?

21 posted on 04/14/2008 11:47:36 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Lets see. No more fish. Bread too expensive ‘cause of ethanol.. we’re all doomed! Government..especially world government..hurry up and save us. BWAAAAAA!/sarc


22 posted on 04/14/2008 11:52:14 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: cogitator

You mean the oceans aren’t dead?!

Ted Danson said they would be dead by 1998.


23 posted on 04/14/2008 12:02:24 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: cogitator

I am convinced that all of the human race must soon die, or we are not going to survive.


24 posted on 04/14/2008 12:06:02 PM PDT by Gator113 (Hey Obama, "I drink your milkshake.")
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To: 50sDad

Muahahah China will rake the oceans clean! The Lilliputians and Luddites in this country are crippling us. China has no problems like that, because 1)they don’t care,.2) All dissenters are carved up and sold for their organs!3) they don’t care.


25 posted on 04/14/2008 12:09:09 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: Don Corleone
Government..especially world government..hurry up and save us.

The problem with most of the oceans is that once outside the 200-mile coastal zone, there is no governing authority. It's every ship for themselves. And poaching is a serious problem a lot of places that do have a legal authority, but not much money to spend on enforcement. So the alternative would have to be economic; tariffs, import bans, trade sanctions, etc. to get countries to police and control their own fleets and coasts.

26 posted on 04/14/2008 12:11:10 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

I have a fishing trip planned off Gulf Shores, AL next month...Does this mean I can’t go???


27 posted on 04/14/2008 12:14:49 PM PDT by Boonie
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To: cogitator

The atmosphere and the oceans have been in a decade long cooling trend. It’s that time... apparently.


28 posted on 04/14/2008 12:20:55 PM PDT by avacado
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To: cogitator
Name-calling and aspersion casting is a poor replacement for reasoned discourse.

Perhaps you could pass that comment on to Doc Hansen and his media hit men as well.

29 posted on 04/14/2008 12:21:04 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: cogitator

The tragedy of the commons. Perhaps the solution lies in bidding out the right to fish up to legislated limits, with the proceeds funding enforcement. This might drive up the cost of seafood, albeit to its true market level.


30 posted on 04/14/2008 12:23:06 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: cogitator
"Post the SST anomaly maps again in July, so we can see how La Nina’s doing then."

SST anomaly maps are in respect to a certain period which is generally from 1960-1990 which was a cool period. That's called smoke and mirrors for the uninformed and easily duped.

31 posted on 04/14/2008 12:27:55 PM PDT by avacado
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To: cogitator

The salmon are not there because the Environmental Imams killed all hatchery salmon. Saying that they were not “natural.” So again the Environmentalist caused a problem where none existed before.


32 posted on 04/14/2008 12:31:52 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: cogitator
There is a race to fish,

Oh, great! Now they are bringing race into this. Affirmative action for fishies, anyone?

33 posted on 04/14/2008 12:57:19 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: CedarDave

I was just about to post the same thing. The most amazing thing about that report is that the “scientists” think that maybe the heat is going down so deep they can’t find it....kinda like their - well, you know :)


34 posted on 04/14/2008 1:24:40 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org freeevanvela.com)
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To: cogitator; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; Delacon; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; ..
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

35 posted on 04/14/2008 1:36:22 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Always Right
"Either way, we are all gonna die and it is our fault."

No it isn't. It's George Bushes fault.

36 posted on 04/14/2008 1:37:15 PM PDT by Vio24
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To: cogitator
Thanks for the suggestion. It may be useful to some people to to reconfirm their misperceptions. I, on the other hand, don't need it.

Geez, no wonder you get laughed at so much. Well, never one to abandon a FReeper in need, I'll give you a quick synopsis of what the 3000 scientific robots currently plying the worlds oceans have discovered in their attempt to map out the waters that have warmed the most ~ they couldn't find ANY oceans that have warmed at all, so the snooty as thou scientists concluded this is due to one of 2 things;

a)The scientists cannot read a thermometer, or;

b)The ocean's heat has changed course and is now going deep, deeper than the robots can dive, instead of the "old science" type of heat, which always rises!

Ain't that cool!

37 posted on 04/14/2008 1:48:45 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org freeevanvela.com)
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To: avacado
SST anomaly maps are in respect to a certain period which is generally from 1960-1990 which was a cool period.

That's irrelevant right now. The current anomaly maps show large cool areas attributable to El Nino. There are, of course, currently related meteorological effects happening, too. When La Nina fades, the surface waters will warm up. Whether that's normal or higher than the base period temperatures, the oceans won't look nearly so cold then, because the surface waters will be considerably warmer.

38 posted on 04/14/2008 1:58:39 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Those SST anomalies are still gauged against the cool period of 1960s-1990s, so yes, an El Nino year will look even warmer. That’s is to be expected if meausred against a known cool period.


39 posted on 04/14/2008 2:01:41 PM PDT by avacado
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To: cogitator
Why do you focus on the South China Sea in particular

It's an intensely political region where trouble is never more than a day away. China would like to gain the region but Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, and some others have a problem with that. Might be oil, too. Pure dynamite.

40 posted on 04/14/2008 2:03:54 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Ditto
Perhaps you could pass that comment on to Doc Hansen and his media hit men as well.

Passions are certainly high on this issue. That's why I'd prefer people to try and stick to the science. A media report is a very poor place to evaluate the scientific merit of anyone's scientific contributions. Dr. Singer doesn't exactly take the high road with regard to Hansen and Oppenheimer. All of this detracts from reasoned and non-emotional evaluations.

41 posted on 04/14/2008 2:15:58 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: avacado
The atmosphere and the oceans have been in a decade long cooling trend.

That's what the skeptics want you to think. If we're in a cooling trend, why are the average temperatures of the period 2000-2008 higher than those from 1990-2000?

Read my profile, point #4, paragraph beginning "Quote from the above". If you wish to defer telling me that I'm wrong until 2013, that's fine with me. As it stands, I am confident that the average global temperature of the years 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 -- when calculated -- will be higher than the average global temperature of 1998. The only things that I think would render this prediction inaccurate are: a) a major Pinatubo-class or bigger volcanic eruption; b) another La Nina similar to the one this year or bigger; c) a major asteroid strike, or d) significant nuclear war. If (c) or (d) happen, we won't be worrying about climate change for a few years. Please note that I am unworried by anything the Sun does.

In February 2014, feel free to evaluate my statement. Evaluating climate trends requires patience. That's just the way it is.

42 posted on 04/14/2008 2:25:43 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: 4woodenboats
See post 17. Explain the observed sea level rise without referring to the effects of thermal expansion and increased melting of continental ice masses.

Good luck (insert Spockian eyebrow raise here).

43 posted on 04/14/2008 2:28:03 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: avacado
Apologies, I miswrote. I should have written:

The current anomaly maps show large cool areas attributable to La Nina.

44 posted on 04/14/2008 2:29:26 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator
"That's what the skeptics want you to think. If we're in a cooling trend, why are the average temperatures of the period 2000-2008 higher than those from 1990-2000?"

A cooling trend simply means that the temperatures are trending downwards. They have been for the last 10 years. If you plot the temperatures from 1998 to 2007 and do a linear fit you'll have a straight line that is trending downward. We certainly are not trending upward and that is their entire hypothesis of global warming as CO2 increases is for a CONSTANT upward trend. The empirical data does not support the global warming hypothesis.

45 posted on 04/14/2008 2:30:20 PM PDT by avacado
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To: cogitator

I think you should not post on this topic until 2014.


46 posted on 04/14/2008 2:31:55 PM PDT by tongass kid
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To: cogitator
"The current anomaly maps show large cool areas attributable to La Nina."

Just as the 1998 anomaly maps show large warm areas attributable to one of the biggest and most extreme El Ninos ever.

47 posted on 04/14/2008 2:32:26 PM PDT by avacado
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To: cogitator

http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/letters/IPCC_letter_14April08.pdf


48 posted on 04/14/2008 2:44:34 PM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: tongass kid; avacado
I think you should not post on this topic until 2014.

I wasn't the person that brought up global warming. This thread was about an article describing the current imperiled state of the oceans. While I've posted about global warming topics in the past numerous times, I've decided not to post on global warming topics anymore myself. However, on occasion I will respond when the subject is brought up, and if someone posts something inviting a substantive response, I will attempt to provide that.

Speaking of which:

You will find all of the years in the 1990s, except for 1998, ranked below the years 2001-2007. I misstated the period earlier because 2000 was still influenced by the big 1999 La Nina. Because of the La Nina this year, the global average temperature anomaly for 2008 might drop into the 1990s range.

We'll just have to see what happens in 2009, won't we? (However, when La Nina fades to normal, average monthly temperatures will return to the basic decadal average characteristic of this decade. Just watch.)

49 posted on 04/14/2008 2:47:30 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: avacado
Just as the 1998 anomaly maps show large warm areas attributable to one of the biggest and most extreme El Ninos ever.

And you're stating the obvious why?

50 posted on 04/14/2008 2:48:26 PM PDT by cogitator
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