Skip to comments.MAHER LIES ABOUT THE POPE
Posted on 04/14/2008 1:14:50 PM PDT by NYer
On his April 11 HBO show, Real Time with Bill Maher, the comedian went into an extended assault on Pope Benedict XVI and the Catholic Church. For a transcript, click here.
Catholic League president Bill Donohue responded as follows:
Mahers obsession with the Catholic Church continues, only this time there isnt enough material for him to use as a club, so he literally makes things up. His lies include the following statement: When thewhen the current pope was in his previous Vatican job as John Pauls Dick Cheneyhe wrote a letter instructing every Catholic bishop to keep the sex abuse of minors secret until the statute of limitations ran out.
A similar lie was floated by an angry ex-Catholic bigot, Rosie ODonnell. The fact is that before he was named pope, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger had absolutely nothing to do with policing allegations of sexual abuse until 2002, after the scandal erupted that January. And he certainly never counseled bishops to keep sexual abuse secretthis is a bald face lie. Indeed, a week before Pope John Paul II died, he addressed the scandal by saying, How much filth there is in the church, even among those who, in the priesthood, should belong entirely to God.
Maher also lied when he said the pope used to be a Nazi. Like all young men in Germany at the time, he was conscripted into a German Youth organization (from which he fled as soon as he could). Every responsible Jewish leader has acknowledged this reality and has never sought to brand the pope a Nazi. That job falls to Maher.
In 2005, after complaining about another bigoted outburst, I was told by Richard Plepler of HBO that its a free country, and people are free to say silly thingseven on HBO. Last year, after another assault, I was told by Jeff Cusson (replying for Time Warners CEO Richard Parsons), that Mahers anti-Catholic remarks were a matter of creative freedom. Well, folks, no one has the freedom to libel someone.
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I think Maher is mentally ill and I don’t understand how he has a show at all.
Well, it's not his looks . . . maybe he has something on someone . . . ;-)
He is a tool and gets away with it because he says what the elitists and Gay Mafia like.His condescension and arrogance is always directed towards flyover country.
His run on HBO has just about run it’s course. He has to stir this kind of crap up to stay in the headlines and hope he can be thought relevant. I can’t imagine his silly a$$ show has any ratings.
90% of the show revolves around BDS, and the remaining 10% isn't funny, either.
In the few times I've watched the show, I've never seen a conservative, or a Republican, call him on his BS. They're too busy kissing his rear, presumably in the hope of getting a return gig.
A little man lies about a great man, and is made even smaller in the process.
I’m no fan of Bill Maher. But Donohue is splitting hairs. The Roman Church has still not come clean on the issue of sodomizing young boys. And it is an objective fact that priests were moved from parish to parish — by the Roman Church hierarch — when said priests were known to have sodomized little boys.
I have called my cable company and demanded an explanation as to how this anti-Catholic bigot can be part of their programming.
I would have cancelled HBO, but I already do not allow that trash into my home.
In the first place, almost all of the sodomizing was done by fag priests with teenage boys. And it was the American bishops who covered it up-not the Pope.
Accusing the Pope for the problem is like accusing Bush for Abu Graibe-gratifying for the haters but ultimately dishonest.
“The Roman Church has still not come clean on the issue of sodomizing young boys?”
Well then you have apparently not been paying attention.
It has been well documented and publicized that the Roman CATHOLIC church was led to believe by psychologists that these priests could be rehabilitated.
Once it was realized that such “rehabilitation” was not to be. The Roman CATHOLIC church proceeded to remove these priests.
In the future, I suggest you “google” before you make false accusations.
Every one of us has the freedom to not subscribe to HBO, which is a freedom I intend to continue exercising for a very, very long time.
I saw this sad paparazzi video where Bill Maher dressed in a leather bomber jacket and jeans like some raving mid-life crisis viagra addict was hanging out in front of some L.A. club at closing time trying to pick up tramp girls in their early 20’s as they walked out.
He probably hits them with the “I’m Bill Maher. You know from HBO. I’m someone famous. Are you drunk or a gold digger? I’m not picky.”
It always astonishes me that Ann Coulter is actually friends with Bill Maher! Does he kiss his mother with that mouth?! >:-(
And where did the Roman Church find these psychologists? Did they kiss the pope's ring?
Seriously, that's the biggest cop-out I've ever heard. Ever.
I find it very interesting that Maher’s rhetoric sounds an awful lot like some of the Evangelicals on FR. Do you think he converted?
What is a “Roman Church”?
And sodomizing little boys. Where are you getting that from? Do you know what false witness is? Because making false and misleading statements is a form of false witness.
Thanks for this article. I just cancelled HBO after having it for ten years..... (sent in my thoughts on the whole thing to the CEO too) Most of it is garbage....I’m just not going to be part of it anymore....Our society is really breaking down before our eyes...
Tell that to Don Imus or Trent Lott.
Has he ever told the truth?
bingo!!! this hits the proverbial nail on the head of that atheistic anti american leftist doofus, masquerading as a comedian/commenatator..
wonder why he never rips on the religion of pieces???
Exactly. The majority of molestations were of a homosexual nature. These were not Catholic crimes, but homosexual offenses.
But some people like to pretend it’s Catholic doctrine to molest children, because they dislike the Catholic Church more than they dislike homosexuality.
And sodomizing little boys. Where are you getting that from?
I'm sorry. The issue was pedophile priests. Is it your contention that these Roman priests were raping girls exclusively? Provide a link, and I'll withdraw the comment.
There might be some excuse for Mayer being on the air if he were, say, funny... but he’s not.
nothing but hate and nastiness from the obnoxious little weasel.
In all fairness, Maher has an obsession about all religion, not just Catholics. When it comes to matters of faith, he's equally bigoted towards all.
There is no Church of Rome. There is the Catholic Church which has many rites, one of which is the Latin Rite and its bishoprics is in Rome. The Bishop of Rome is also Pope.
No. You are repeating the false witness generated by the MSM to obfuscate the problem of homosexual sexual abuse in the Catholic priesthood (and society in general). The MSM incorrectly calls them “pedophile priests” instead of homosexual priests because homosexuals are a protected class. Pedophilia involves sexual abuse of pre-pubescent children. The abuse by priests back in the late 1960s and 1970s was almost exclusively priests with late teen males...hardly ever cases of pedophlia.
By aligning yourself with the MSM you are bearing false witness against priests and Catholic Church and allowing the homosexual agenda to proceed unchallenged. It takes the focus off of the real problem...homosexuality.
Hopefully you will educate yourself and stop being a useful idiot for the MSM and radical homosexual movement.
Well, he has mentioned the ROP but only in terms of equating them to our founding fathers and freedom fighters.Thats how his first show got canceled. Only because of course it was a little to close to 911.I think if he had made those comments a year later, the “bosses” would have ridden it out, maybe even given him some more Hookers and Coke for being so “inciteful and prescient”.
I find few things more loathsome than Hollywood Media types spewing their toxic Dogma upon the “great unwashed”.
Its like getting lectured on the sanctity of Marriage by Bill Klintoon and Britney Spears. However I think I could make a fortune organizing an event like that, think how much money “BILLYBOB” would pay to get near to putting his sweaty hands on Britney!
oh yea...we Catholics wanted priests to sexually abuse our children.
Your anti-Catholic skirt is showing, “Gurn.”
10 Myths About Priestly Pedophilia
by Deal Hudson
Myth #1 - Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.
This is just plain false. There’s absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia. In the recent Boston scandal, only four of the more than eighty priests labeled by the media as “pedophiles” are actually guilty of molesting young children.
Pedophilia is a particular type of compulsive sexual disorder in which an adult (man or woman) abuses prepubescent children. The vast majority of the clerical sex-abuse scandals now coming to light do not involve pedophilia. Rather, they involve ephebophilia homosexual attraction to adolescent boys. While the total number of sexual abusers in the priesthood is much higher than those guilty of pedophilia, it still amounts to less than 2 percent comparable to the rate among married men (Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests).
In the wake of the current crisis in the Church, other religious denominations and non-religious institutions have admitted to having similar problems with both pedophilia and ephebophilia among the ranks of their clergy. There’s no evidence that Catholic prelates are more likely to be pedophiles than Protestant ministers, Jewish leaders, physicians, or any other institution in which adults are in a position of authority and power over children.
Myth #2 - The celibate state of priests leads to pedophilia.
Celibacy bears no causal relation to any type of deviant sexual addiction including pedophilia. In fact, married men are just as likely as celibate priests to sexually abuse children (Jenkins, Priests and Pedophilia). In the general population, the majority of abusers are regressed heterosexual men who sexually abuse girls. Women are also found to be among those sexual abusers. While it’s difficult to obtain accurate statistics on childhood sexual abuse, the characteristic patterns of repeat child sex offenders have been well described. The profiles of child molesters never include normal adults who become erotically attracted to children as a result of abstinence (Fred Berlin, “Compulsive Sexual Behaviors” in Addiction and Compulsion Behaviors [Boston: NCBC, 1998]; Patrick J. Carnes, “Sexual Compulsion: Challenge for Church Leaders” in Addiction and Compulsion; Dale O’Leary, “Homosexuality and Abuse”).
Myth #3 - Married clergy would make pedophilia and other forms of sexual misconduct go away.
Some people including a few vocal dissenting Catholics are exploiting this crisis to draw attention to their own agendas. Some are demanding a married Catholic clergy in response to the scandal, as if marriage would make men stop hurting children. This flies in the face of the aforementioned statistic that married men are just as likely to abuse children as celibate priests (Jenkins, Pedophilia and Priests).
Since neither being Catholic nor being celibate predisposes a person to develop pedophilia, a married clergy wouldn’t solve the problem (”Doctors call for pedophilia research,” The Hartford Currant, March 23). One has only to look at similar crises in other denominations and professions to see this.
The plain fact is, healthy heterosexual men have never been known to develop erotic attractions to children as a result of abstinence.
Myth #4 - Clerical celibacy was a medieval invention.
Wrong. In the Western Catholic Church, celibacy became universally practiced in the 4th century, beginning with St. Augustine’s adoption of the monastic discipline for all of his priests. In addition to the many practical reasons for this discipline it was supposed to discourage nepotism the celibate lifestyle allowed priests to be more independent and available. This ideal also called diocesan priests to live out the same witness as their brothers in monastic life. The Church hasn’t changed her directives for celibacy, because over the centuries she has realized the practical and spiritual value of the practice (Pope Paul VI, On the Celibacy of the Priesthood;, Encyclical letter, 1967). Indeed, even in the Eastern Catholic Church which includes a married clergy the bishops are chosen only from unmarried priests.
Christ revealed the true value and meaning of celibacy. Catholic priests from St. Paul to the present have imitated Him in their total gift of self to God and others as celibates. Although Christ raised marriage to the level of a sacrament that reveals the love and life of the Trinity, He was also a living witness to the life of the world to come. The celibate priesthood is for us a living witness to this life in which the unity and joy of marriage between a man and a woman is surpassed in the perfect, loving communion with God. Celibacy properly understood and lived frees a person to love and serve others as Christ did.
Over the past forty years, celibacy has been an even more powerful witness to the loving sacrifice of men and women who offer themselves in service their communities.
Myth #5 - Female clergy would help solve the problem.
There’s simply no logical connection between the deviant behavior of a tiny minority of male clergy and the inclusion of women in their ranks. While it’s true that most statistics on child molestation show that men are more likely to abuse children, the fact is that some women are also child molesters. In 1994, the National Opinion Research Center showed that the second most common form of child sexual abuse involved women abusing boys. For every three male abusers, there’s one female abuser. Statistics on female sex offenders are more difficult to obtain because the crime is more hidden (Interview with Dr. Richard Cross, “A Question of Character,”, National Opinion Research Center; cf. Carnes). Also, their most frequent victims (boys) are less likely to report sexual abuse, especially when the abuser is a woman (O’Leary, “Child Sexual Abuse”).
There are reasons why the Church cannot ordain women (as John Paul II has explained numerous times). But that is beside the point. The debate about women’s ordination is completely unrelated to the problem of pedophilia and other forms of sexual misconduct.
Myth #6 - Homosexuality isn’t connected to pedophilia.
This is plainly false. Homosexuals are three times as likely to be pedophiles as heterosexual men. Although exclusive pedophilia (adult attraction to prepubescent children) is an extreme and rare phenomenon, one third of homosexual men are attracted to teenage boys (Jenkins, Priests and Pedophilia). The seduction of teenage boys by homosexual men is a well-documented phenomenon. This form of deviant behavior is the most common type of clerical abuse and is directly connected to homosexual behavior.
As Michael Rose shows in his upcoming book, Goodbye! Good Men, there’s an active homosexual sub-culture within the Church. This is due to several factors. The Church’s confusion in the wake of the sexual revolution of the 1960s, the tumult following the Second Vatican Council, and the greater approval of homosexual behavior in the culture at large created an environment in which active homosexual men were admitted to and tolerated in the priesthood. The Church also came to rely more on the psychiatric profession for screening candidates and for treating those priests identified as having problems. In 1973, the American Psychological Association changed its characterization of homosexuality as an objectively disordered orientation and removed it from the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual IV (Nicolosi, J., 1991, Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality, 1991; Diamond, E., et. al., Homosexuality and Hope, unpublished CMA document). The treatment of deviant sexual behaviors followed suit.
While the Church’s approach to those who struggle with homosexual attractions has been compassionate, she has been consistent in maintaining the view that homosexuality is objectively disordered and that marriage between a man and woman is the proper context for sexual activity.
Myth #7 - The Catholic hierarchy has done nothing to address pedophilia.
While we can all agree that the hierarchy hasn’t done enough, this claim is nevertheless false. When the Church’s Code of Canon Law was revised in 1983, an important passage was added: “The cleric who commits any other offense against the sixth precept of the Decalogue, if the offense was committed with violence or threats, or publicly or with a minor who is under 16 years [now extended to 18 years], must be punished with just punishments, not excluding expulsion from the clerical state” (CIC 1395:2).
But that certainly isn’t the only thing the Church has done. The bishops, beginning with Pope Paul VI in 1967, issued a warning to the Catholic faithful concerning the negative consequences of the sexual revolution. The pope’s encyclical letter, “On the Celibacy of the Priests,” addressed the question of a celibate priesthood in the face of a culture crying out for greater sexual “freedom.” The pope affirmed celibacy even as he called on bishops to take responsibility for “fellow priests troubled by difficulties which greatly endanger the divine gift they have.” He advised the bishops to seek appropriate help for these priests, or, in grave cases, to seek a dispensation for priests who could not be helped. In addition, he urged them to be more prudent in judging the fitness of candidates for the priesthood.
In 1975, the Church issued another document called “Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics” (written by Joseph Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) that explicitly addressed, among other issues, the problem of homosexuality among priests. Both the 1967 and 1975 documents addressed kinds of sexual deviancy, including pedophilia and ephebophilia, that are is especially prevalent among homosexuals.
In 1994, the Ad Hoc Committee on Sexual Abuse issued guidelines to the nation’s then 191 dioceses to help them develop policies to deal with the problem of sexual abuse of minors. Almost all dioceses responded and developed their own policies (USCCB document: Guidelines for dealing with Child Sexual Abuse, 1993-1994). By this time, pedophilia was recognized as a disorder that could not be cured, and a problem that was becoming more prevalent due to the increase of pornography. Before 1994, bishops took their cue from experts in the psychiatric profession who believed pedophilia could be successfully treated. Priests guilty of sexual abuse were sent to one of several treatment facilities across the United States. Bishops often relied upon the judgments of experts in determining whether priests were fit for ministry. This doesn’t mitigate the negligence on the part of some in the hierarchy, but it does offer some insight.
In response to the recent scandals, some dioceses are setting up special commissions on child abuse, as well as victims’ advocacy groups; and they are officially acknowledging that any legitimate allegation of abuse must be dealt with immediately.
Myth #8 - The Church’s teaching on sexual morality is the real problem, not pedophilia.
The Church’s teaching on sexual morality is rooted in the dignity of the human person and the goodness of human sexuality. This teaching condemns the sexual abuse of children in all its forms, just as it condemns other reprehensible sexual crimes such as rape, incest, child pornography, and child prostitution. In other words, if this teaching were lived out, there’d be no pedophilia problem at all.
The notion that this teaching somehow leads to pedophilia is based on a misunderstanding or deliberate misrepresentation of Catholic sexual morality. The Church recognizes that sexual activity without the love and commitment found uniquely in marriage undermines the dignity of the human person and is ultimately destructive. As far as celibacy is concerned, centuries of experience have proven that men and women can abstain from sexual activity while living fulfilling, healthy, and meaningful lives.
Myth #9 - Catholic journalists have ignored the pedophile problem.
As any reader of CRISIS knows, this claim is patently false. Our October 2001 cover story featured “The High Price of Priestly Pederasty,” an expose on the scandal that wouldn’t erupt into the mainstream press for another three months. You can read our full article at: http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2001/index.html.
And we weren’t the only ones who have covered the pedophilia/pederasty problem. Charles Sennot, author of Broken Covenant, Rod Dreher of The National Review, CRISIS co-founder Ralph MacInerny, Maggie Gallagher, Dale O’Leary, the Catholic Medical Association, Michael Novak, Peggy Noonan, Bill Donohue, Dr. Richard Cross, Philip Lawler, Alan Keyes, and Msgr. George Kelly have all covered the issue exhaustively.
Just because the mainstream media have chosen to ignore our work doesn’t mean the work hasn’t been done.
Myth #10 - Requiring celibacy limits the number of men as candidates for the priesthood, resulting in a high number of sexually unbalanced priests.
First of all, there isn’t a “high number of sexually unbalanced priests.” Again, the vast majority of priests are normal, healthy, and faithful. Every day they prove themselves worthy of the trust and confidence of those entrusted to their care.
Secondly, those who do not feel called to a life of celibacy are ipso facto not called to be Catholic priests. Indeed, most men are not meant to be celibate. However, some are and of those, some are called by God to the priesthood.
A priestly vocation, like a marriage, requires the mutual and free consent of both parties. Thus, the Church must discern that a candidate is indeed worthy and fit mentally, physically, and spiritually to commit to a life of priestly service. A candidate’s desire for the priesthood does not constitute a vocation in and of itself. Spiritual and vocation directors are now even more attuned to the character flaws that would make an otherwise qualified man an unfit candidate.
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a survey of Roman Catholic church records of abusive clergy, to be completed by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. The survey is one component of the Dallas Charter, a plan developed by the bishops in 2002 to respond to allegations of widespread child abuse by priests, and of extensive cover-ups by the church. CNN.com obtained a draft copy of the report and posted a summary on their web site on 2004-FEB-17. 1 The final version was released on 2004-FEB-27.
Some of the raw data contained in the report:
Years covered: 1950 to 2002.
Percentage of bishops who provided information: 97% 3
Total number of allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests: 11,000. Number substantiated: 6,700 (61%).
Number unsubstantiated: 1,000 (9.1%).
Number which were not investigated because the allegations were made after the priest’s death: 3,300.
Number of priests who served during the interval: 110,000. Number of priests alleged to have abused children: 4,450.
Percentage of abusive priests: 4.0%
Number of priests who are currently serving: 44,000
Number of cases of abuse per priest:
Most priests were accused of a single event
1,112 priests (25.0%) had two or three allegations
578 priests (13%) had four to nine allegations.
133 priests (2.9%) had ten or more allegations.
Age of the victims:
Almost 6% were 7 years of age or younger.
16% were 8,9 or 10 years old.
78% were 11 to 17 years old.
Not true... As a previous poster has observed, he's never ripped into Islam, which is quite telling...
Why don’t you crawl back under your rock?
Not true. He took on Islam in this Link
Was a time that "comedian" implied somebody who said funny things to an audience, in return for money.
The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.
Protestant numbers have been harder to come by and are sketchier because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic church; indeed, many congregations are independent, which makes reporting even more difficult.
The following site provides a collection of news reports on ministers who have sexually abused children.
We would all do well to heed the words of our Lord.
Accusing me of going along with the MSM and some queer agenda is as big a joke as your Roman church.
Whatever, papist. The tenets of your theology are taken out of whole cloth, and your priests dig little boys. If that makes me a bigot, oh, well.
Thank you, Bob, for recognizing what the media often overlook in their witch hunt against anything Catholic. Sadly, sex abuse is not limited to the Catholic Church but is also found in the Protestant denominations, as well. According to Insurance Journal:
Protestant numbers have been harder to come by and are sketchier because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic church; indeed, many congregations are independent, which makes reporting even more difficult.
In their animosity towards the Catholic Church, the media have actually done us a great favor. We have forced ourselves to clean up this problem - who is watching out for the children in public school?
Every once in a while, I hear some backwater preacher who spends his radio show ranting about the ‘Roman church’ and how the Pope is actually the anti-Christ described in Revelation. I checked out the preacher. Sure enough, he is a fallen-away Catholic. Methinks he doth protest too much.
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