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Wal-Mart to film gun sales in bid to fight crime
Reuters ^ | April 14, 2008 | Reuters

Posted on 04/15/2008 5:24:32 AM PDT by captjanaway

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc, the world's largest retailer, unveiled plans on Monday to film its gun sales in the United States and create a computerized log of purchases in a bid to stop guns falling into the wrong hands.

Wal-Mart, which is the largest seller of firearms in the United States, agreed a 10-point code, which also includes rigid inventory controls, with a bipartisan coalition of Mayors Against Illegal Guns led by New York's Michael Bloomberg.

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How many criminals go to WalMart to buy their guns? I don't see how this is going to do anything to lower crime. It will give them a record of what legitimate gun owner owns what gun..... I think I'll stick to buying mine at the local gun shop.....

1 posted on 04/15/2008 5:24:32 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: captjanaway

Agreed, this is feel good nonsense.


2 posted on 04/15/2008 5:26:37 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: captjanaway

My thought, exactly. These “Mayors” want to know who have the guns; and it’ll be law-abiders.

I sure wish people would understand that the Second Amendment was written to give the PEOPLE the RIGHT to ARM THEMSELVES against THE GOVERNMENT.

It’s obvious those in elected office know this; too bad ‘We The Sheeple’ don’t have a clue! Grrrrr!


3 posted on 04/15/2008 5:27:43 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: captjanaway

WalMart falling on its sword in the name of PR. Nothing will happen by filming gun purchases at the point of sale because such purchasers are not criminals. Criminals get their guns from home invasions/burglaries of law abiding citizens - among other sources.


4 posted on 04/15/2008 5:28:58 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: captjanaway

If they want to get out of the gun business there are ways to do it without insulting their customers.


5 posted on 04/15/2008 5:29:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: captjanaway

Bye-bye WalMartinez, not that you and I are old friends anyway...


6 posted on 04/15/2008 5:29:21 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: captjanaway

Bloomberg is bound and determined to do “what’s right for us little people”, even if it enslaves us...

I don’t think criminals buy their guns on the open market. They get them from people who steal the guns.


7 posted on 04/15/2008 5:29:34 AM PDT by Edgerunner (At the heart of every absurdity, lies a liberal lie)
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To: captjanaway
A presumption of guilt before a crime?

I wonder how long it will be before the BATFE decides on it's own hook or the ANTI's try to legislate cameras as a good idea for ALL gun shops and FFL's.

8 posted on 04/15/2008 5:29:44 AM PDT by Pistolshot (When you let what you are define who you are, you create racial divisiveness.)
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To: captjanaway
You're right, of course. It sidesteps the government's laws against the federal government creating a permanent record of gun purchases...

I wonder what would happen if a similar plan were to be proposed for libraries or book stores? Not for every book, mind you, just dangerous ones, like Mein Kampf, the koran, and anything by Karl Marx. Just how much screaming and gnashing of teeth from those on the left would we be subject to?

Mark

9 posted on 04/15/2008 5:30:39 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: captjanaway

“I think I’ll stick to buying mine at the local gun shop.....”

Yeah, for sure. Or, at the local gun show.

However, I doubt that any business lost by Walmart will even amount to a rounding number as Walmart has not stocked handguns for several years and their long gun inventory is now minimal. It’s my guess that Walmart did it’s homework on this before announcing...


10 posted on 04/15/2008 5:31:06 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: captjanaway
create a computerized log of purchases in a bid to stop guns falling into the wrong hands

Sooooo, unless the buyer of the gn turns around & hands it to another.....HOW are they going see them "fall into the wrong hands"?

11 posted on 04/15/2008 5:35:46 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: captjanaway

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2001600/posts


12 posted on 04/15/2008 5:35:58 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: Gabz

Wow! A “two-fer!” A Wal-Mart/Nanny-State Ping! And it’s only Tuesday, LOL!


13 posted on 04/15/2008 5:38:23 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: captjanaway

What if I wear my burka?


14 posted on 04/15/2008 5:42:13 AM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: captjanaway

F.ing surveillance state. Stop looking at me!!@!@!


15 posted on 04/15/2008 5:42:34 AM PDT by Impy (The democrat party, "Ridin' Dirty" since puberty.)
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To: Puppage

Some areas require a spent shell casing that’s matched to the firearm to be sent in so that they’ve got something they can use to compare ballistics. Does Wal-Mart even sell pistols? How many criminals go to Wal-Mart to buy a long gun?

Not that I ever considered Wal-Mart a good place to buy firearms before, but this is good way to make sure I don’t bother. All the extra cost in implementing the system and extra checks has to come from somewhere.


16 posted on 04/15/2008 5:43:46 AM PDT by faloi
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To: captjanaway

At least they still sell guns, besides they have to record the sale anyway, so it’s not like no one knows you bought a gun.


17 posted on 04/15/2008 5:45:53 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

I didn’t know Wally World sold handguns.

This sounds like a deliberate end to gun sales at Wal-Mart. Sales will surely take a dive, and then Wal-Mart can quit selling guns and ammo and use the sales decline as the excuse.


18 posted on 04/15/2008 5:48:26 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: stuartcr

How are they going to match their gun sales to guns used in crimes? The only way is to send in a monthly SN report to the police, I guess.


19 posted on 04/15/2008 5:50:15 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: snoringbear
Walmart has not stocked handguns for several years and their long gun inventory is now minimal

Ya buy ammo at the same counter what with the camera running the entire time and all. It would be interesting to note if there are now some really good deals on ammo...

20 posted on 04/15/2008 5:51:28 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: captjanaway

Exactly!! The only ones buying their guns from Walmart would be the folks you read about having SHOT an intruder to their home!


21 posted on 04/15/2008 5:51:42 AM PDT by J40000
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To: captjanaway

Buy your ammunition at WalMart, but please patronize your local gun shop. In additional to a far greater variety of firearms, you are likely to get a wealth of advice and information you’d never get from a WalMart clerk. Besides which, I always find it enjoyable to speak with other customers, who are quite likely to share similar political views and more than willing to offer their own advice on gun-related matters.


22 posted on 04/15/2008 5:52:16 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: captjanaway

Doesn’t Wal-mart video tape sales already? I know in Lubbock, TX, they found a woman’t body in a suitcase at the landfill.

They caught her murderer by looking at tapes from Wal-mart, finding the guy buying a suitcase, then looking at the credit card transaction from the register at the time the video was taken.

I think his trial is going on or just ended in Lubbock.


23 posted on 04/15/2008 5:54:15 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: captjanaway

You are already on camera from the moment you walk into a Walmart (and many other stores) and it’s a safe bet that includes when you buy a gun or ammo. Probably includes when you buy underwear for that matter.


24 posted on 04/15/2008 5:54:54 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: ltc8k6

They don’t sell handguns here in the Norfolk area. I don’t see how it would affect anything. When someone buys a weapon at Wal-Mart, the required paperwork is filled out, and a store manager has to carry the weapon outside to the parking lot. Since they only sell long guns, the security cameras will see the buyer and the weapon go out the door together anyway. Here where I live, Wal-Mart has the best prices on new weapons, and they sell lots of ammo and gun/hunting related items. I doubt they want their sales to be reduced.


25 posted on 04/15/2008 5:56:09 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: ltc8k6

If it’s a shotgun, I don’t see how anyone could trace it, a rifle will have a spent cartridge on record. I believe the govt gets a record of each sale anyway.


26 posted on 04/15/2008 5:58:30 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: snoringbear

The Wal-Marts around here have a pretty good selection of both rifles and shotguns.


27 posted on 04/15/2008 5:59:33 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: captjanaway
NEXT------------------

The Pharmacy (DEA-Cam).......assuming it's not already there....

28 posted on 04/15/2008 5:59:45 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: gracesdad

Since they are already filming with the security cameras, why the touchy-feely press release about filming gun purchases? As much as I enjoy shopping at WalMart (I admit it..... I’ll get into therapy ASAP), stuff like this is wearing thin.
Besides, they just broadcast that they are filming gun sales, like the local criminal is going to rush over there to buy a gun now.........


29 posted on 04/15/2008 6:00:07 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: cbkaty

I’m sure the pharmacy is at least recorded by security cameras.

Have you bought Sudafed lately, by the way? It’s allergy season and I hate to go in buy it. Have to show my driver’s license and “register” my purchase (you are only allowed so many boxes in a given period) because dope dealers are making meth out of the stuff.


30 posted on 04/15/2008 6:02:17 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: andy58-in-nh

i’ve got no reason to buy at walmart.
90% of what i shoot is stuff they never heard of. “.38 super? you mean .38 special, right?” “cast lead? they make that?” “.32 WHAT?”
heck, half the time even going to the local gun shops if i ask for .32 h&r and .32 winchester special they look at me funny.


31 posted on 04/15/2008 6:07:07 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: captjanaway

I assume that they will actually be filming gun sales more closely and, I guess, keeping the record longer. But make no mistake, you’re already on camera. In fact, if you live in a moderately large city, you might be on camera hundreds of times a day.


32 posted on 04/15/2008 6:08:14 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: captjanaway
I’m sure the pharmacy is at least recorded by security cameras.

We are all on camera all the time......The Orwellian century has arrived.....The innocent are filmed and the guilty continue to thrive.....

33 posted on 04/15/2008 6:10:28 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: captjanaway

Good. Maybe customers will go to their local gunshop instead of RedChinamart


34 posted on 04/15/2008 6:11:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ltc8k6

The already stopped selling guns in their Illinois stores. They said it was because of dropping sales. But everybody knows the real reason is the hassles with Illinois regulators.

Just not worth the headaches.


35 posted on 04/15/2008 6:14:31 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I sure wish people would understand that the Second Amendment was written to give the PEOPLE the RIGHT to ARM THEMSELVES against THE GOVERNMENT.

No, it wasn't. It was written to spell out the God-given right to bear arms to protect ourselves, from any threat. It was written to show that government was to be limited and was not allowed to infringe upon that right. The Constitution doesn't grant rights. Neither does the government.

36 posted on 04/15/2008 6:17:11 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: captjanaway

Just when you think things have hit rock-bottom on stupidity......


37 posted on 04/15/2008 6:23:58 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Bill Clinton: HILLARY!'s other big ass)
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To: captjanaway

It sounds like WalMart is doing what Bloomingijit and Mumbles Menino want: putting itself out of the retail gun business.


38 posted on 04/15/2008 6:31:09 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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“According to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 46 percent of its criminal gun trafficking investigations involved cases in which someone who is not legally allowed to purchase a firearm does so through the use of a proxy, known as a straw buyer.”

This is an interesting statement and needs to be examined.

First of all, how many criminal gun trafficking investigations are conducted?

Second, what do the other 54% of such cases involve, if not straw buyers? And this is a very important question. What kinds of criminal gun trafficking is going on in the United States?

Would that be gun smuggling? Sale of stolen guns? Sale of illegally modified guns? Sale of guns without the proper paperwork or background check?


39 posted on 04/15/2008 6:33:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: captjanaway
How many criminals go to WalMart to buy their guns?

It's just feel-good actions to get the anti-gunners off Wal-Mart's back. Brilliant IMHO.

40 posted on 04/15/2008 6:35:19 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: captjanaway

Okay, now that everyone knows they are being filmed at Walmart when they go and buy a gun it just means Juan, who sells them out of his trunk with no questions asked, will look even better to deal with.

Did anyone ever sit these idiot mayors down and explain to them how well prohibition worked out???


41 posted on 04/15/2008 6:35:52 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Pistolshot
Then people will buy their guns from their weed dealer or their meth dealer or their tobacco dealer. Ok, maybe not the tobaccanist.

Dylan's line about honest men living outside the law. Interesting times.

42 posted on 04/15/2008 6:42:45 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: absolootezer0

Good point. If you want more standard types of ammunition (9mm Luger, .45ACP, .22LR, .38 special), their prices are pretty good. Same for shotgun loads. But for specialized and exotic ammo, they won’t know what you’re talking about.


43 posted on 04/15/2008 6:48:41 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: TLI

I know a guy who regularly buys ammo at Walmart each payday.

I wonder if this new policy is gonna affect the ammos sales too.


44 posted on 04/15/2008 6:57:17 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I only buy 22 cal. Got 2 Dillon SquareDeals and a Lee Turrent that takes care of .38 & .357, .40, and .45. I also have a MEC 9000 for the shotgun


45 posted on 04/15/2008 6:59:30 AM PDT by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (Better to have and not need than to need and not have...my theory on gun control)
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To: captjanaway

I heard this on the way to work this morning, on ABC radio news.

I’m actually kind of upset about this, but not for the reasons you think.

At least one of the local Walmart’s here does NOT sell guns, and thought they have ammo, they are pissy about selling ammunition to just about anyone. I don’t buy it there now.

But, certainly this is another attempt to stop people from buying guns.

Walmart has the highest number of sales of guns in the US according to ABC news. They want to get out of that business, I’m certain - so, let’s help them.

Stop buying ANYTHING from them. Start buying from local stores, owned by local people.


46 posted on 04/15/2008 7:02:21 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: gracesdad
You are already on camera from the moment you walk into a Walmart (and many other stores) and it’s a safe bet that includes when you buy a gun or ammo. Probably includes when you buy underwear for that matter.

No you're not. I happen to know the security company that runs the stuff in MY area, and all those cameras up there.... 90% are fake, they don't have anyone who watches anything, and if they HAVE to do it, they will cooperate with police if someone steals something and they get caught, usually they don't bother.
47 posted on 04/15/2008 7:04:46 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: stuartcr

“The Wal-Marts around here have a pretty good selection of both rifles and shotguns.”

Hmmm, guess it must vary from locale to locale. The two Walmarts near where I live don’t even carry a very good mix of ammunition - except for the period leading up to dove season, then they have shells stacked out in the aisles for that. Anyway, I mostly buy my guns and ammo needs at the local gun shows. More fun as there are alwasys some interesting characters to talk to at these shows. Not to say that there aren’t interesting characters in the Walmart stores. There’s plenty but not really sure I want to talk to them...


48 posted on 04/15/2008 7:12:35 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: captjanaway

This may be an effort to appease the gun grabbers and reduce corporate liability but it will do nothing to actually prevent crime.

All the video will show is that the Walmart employee complied with the law when they sold the firearm.


49 posted on 04/15/2008 7:18:25 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: gracesdad
You are already on camera from the moment you walk into a Walmart (and many other stores) and it’s a safe bet that includes when you buy a gun or ammo. Probably includes when you buy underwear for that matter.

Sure but retaining & archiving the video is a deliberate step that goes beyond the general security surveillance camera systems. Walmart has been searching for a way to sooth the soccer moms' sensibilities since Rosie O'Donuts dropped her spokesman role over the gun flap. As others have pointed out this is not an effective step toward limiting gun crime.

50 posted on 04/15/2008 7:18:42 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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