Posted on 04/15/2008 9:09:50 AM PDT by Loud Mime
Some guests are included in today's quotes - not all are founding fathers...
“The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is... legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay... If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.”
Frederic Bastiat
“An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation.”
John Marshall
“[April 15] is the last day for filing income tax returns—a day that reminds us that taxpayers pay too much of their earnings to the Federal Government. And Americans will continue to pay too much money to the Federal Government until the Congress acts on our proposals to reduce tax rates across the board... While April 15 serves as a reminder, the people of the United States truly do not need to be reminded. They are victims of inflation, which pushes them into higher tax brackets. They are robbed daily of a better standard of living. They are discouraged from work and investment... Taxes are much too high to deal in half measures... The choice before us is clear. I strongly feel that the great majority of Americans believe that nothing would better encourage economic growth than leaving more money in the hands of the people who earn it. It’s time to stop stripping bare the productive citizens of America and funneling their hard-earned income into the Federal bureaucracy. Today is a day when the people reaffirm their commitment to our system by contributing a portion of their income to the Government. Americans have always been prepared to pay their fair share, but today they should make it clear to all elected officials that government has gone beyond its bounds and that the people will not tolerate the ever-increasing tax burden they have experienced in recent years.”
Ronald Reagan
The above quotes are from today’s Patriot Post, which can be found here.
If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them.
Alexander Hamilton (Federalist No. 21, 1787)
It is a singular advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit, which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end purposed - that is, an extension of the revenue.
Alexander Hamilton Federalist No. 21
Has anybody noticed that there are over 200 days between tax day and election day? There's almost 6 months difference before and after election day....good planning on their part, I say.
Yes. I have long held the opinion that we need to:
a.) Eliminate fed withholding of taxes
b.) Move tax filing day to 1 week prior to fed elections
c.) Indicate incumbents on the ballot.
That’s the very best one.
All wars throughout history have been fought for essentially the same reason. Whoever wins gets to collect the taxes.......Red Badger
What never occurred to Alexander Hamilton is a government that deliberately wants to suppress consumption by excessive taxation. Oil, for example.
BUMP!
Alexander Hamilton Federalist No. 21
It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people.
. . . . . James Madison, speech, 5 December, 1810
My version of you thoughtful, and accurate, quote.
I have often thought about stopping the withholding of taxes, but think that’s not a good idea; here’s why.
Imagine what the feds would do if they could not hold your money...they would make sure that YOU held it and appointed an authority to guarantee that you held every penny that you should.
We could see IRS authorities in nearly every bank and more audits and seizures.
The feds will not give up their power. Perhaps we can create a voucher system where Joe Citizen has to sign all the money over to the government at the end of the year instead of incorporating it in the tax return and withholding signatures. As it is now the only check the citizen sees is the incoming...perhaps it would be best if there were an outgoing check as well.
What do you think?
I know. I am using it in my writings.
Thanks for the information on your local programs...I should have waited until after lunch before I read it.
and tobacco!
Good point!
Good quotes.....I’m bitterly (obamaized) after reading them.
I think we need to pare down the feds to what the Constitution allows them to do.
I am not sure the oversight you fear would happen for private citizens. Yes, the IRS would fear people would be unable to pay - just as they did before withholding. Let the IRS fear and let the citizens arm themselves.
I think we’re passed due for a little revolution.
The more I read Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense” the more I realize that his arguments of that day may apply to the problems suffered by the citizens of today’s government.
The distance between Members of Congress and the Citizens is increasing.
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 1359
To require Congress to specify the source of authority under the United States Constitution for the enactment of laws, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
March 6, 2007
Mr. SHADEGG (for himself, Mr. WESTMORELAND, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey, Mr. LAMBORN, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. FLAKE, Mr. GOHMERT, Mr. MARCHANT, Ms. FOXX, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. HERGER, Mr. AKIN, Mr. CONAWAY, Mr. BISHOP of New York, Mr. PAUL, Mr. MCCOTTER, and Mrs. MYRICK) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Rules, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
A BILL
To require Congress to specify the source of authority under the United States Constitution for the enactment of laws, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Enumerated Powers Act’.
SEC. 2. SPECIFICATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY FOR ENACTMENT OF LAW.
(a) Constitutional Authority for This Act- This Act is enacted pursuant to the power granted Congress under article I, section 8, clause 18, of the United States Constitution and the power granted to each House of Congress under article I, section 5, clause 2, of the United States Constitution.
(b) Constitutional Authority Statement Required- Chapter 2 of title 1, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 102 the following new section:
`Sec. 102a. Constitutional authority clause
`Each Act of Congress shall contain a concise and definite statement of the constitutional authority relied upon for the enactment of each portion of that Act. The failure to comply with this section shall give rise to a point of order in either House of Congress. The availability of this point of order does not affect any other available relief.’
(c) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 2 of title 1, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 102 the following new item:
`102a. Constitutional authority clause.’.
As citizens, we can only pray that this bill become law.
The tax deadline needs to be moved to the day before Election Day.
November 1st? I like it!
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Oh good, you get the connection between education and legal plunder then.
Second the motion on a good quote MamaTexan. I've always enjoyed Jefferson's letters to Kercheval.
"obamaized" Is that something like lobotomized? LOL!
hmmm....a prefrontal obatamy?
Thanks for posting. BUMP-TO-THE-TRUTH!
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LOL!
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IMHO, the truly disgusting/sad/discouraging thing is:
If the Constitution was adhered to as written, there would BE no personal income tax.
..and I'm not sure if the reason is an unconstitutional government or just legal and Constitutional ignorance on the part of the People.
(sigh)
the latter led to the former. The process in being reinforced by our "educators" and their indoctrination system.
From there I ask them why their opinion should mean anything when they don't
understand the foundations of our government.
If you'd like my answers to these questions, which have more information attached, please send me a freepmail.
Agreed...on both counts.
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I ask liberals three questions: 1. What form of government do we have?
LOL! Too easy.
(Although it IS fun watching them respond to the question)
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2. What is the only guarantee in our Constitution?
The few that know the answer probably don't comprehend what it MEANS.
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3. What are the Federalist Papers?
My only quibble with the Federalist Papers is that they were written during the time the Constitution was being written and they were written by different men, EACH expressing their own views.
You also have the anti-Federalist Papers , which, in all fairness, must be given equal weight, as all those men had a hand in the Constitutional construction.
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IMHO, the closer the source, the purer the stream of Constitutional thought. Thus, St. George Tucker is an excellent resource for determining the meaning of a 'Republican form of government'.
Particularly since both Tucker's Blackstone (and the more condensed View of the Constitution ) was written AFTER the Constitution had been solidified into a legal Compact.
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Another lack of Constitutional understandings comes from thinking that the Law of Nations from Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10 is just a phrase, when it is actually a treatise written by Emmerich de Vattel.
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[My apologies if you're aware of all this. There just aren't that many people who have any interest in discussing the Constitution, or the meaning behind the Founders' words.]
Also, we know that others read this. Posting instructional materials goes far beyond our own communications.
That being said....lordy, I'm writing like some talk show host....I believe the essence of the guarantee is found in to whom (dative case, right?) the guarantee is made.
What's fun is how the liberals stutter and stammer through their trying to answer the questions, especially when we preface them with the fact that they are the most basic questions on our government....which they are. Just yesterday some person refused to answer the first question. Her vote counts the same as mine.
...My only quibble with the Federalist Papers is that they were written during the time the Constitution was being written... My information is that they were written after the Constitution was written.
LOL! My bad. I meant to delete that part before I posted, leaving the statement that they were written by different men.
I can talk till the cows come home, but this computer-thingy sometimes throws me. :-)
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I believe the essence of the guarantee is found in to whom (dative case, right?) the guarantee is made.
Hooray! Somebody else understands that highly pertinent fact!
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Just yesterday some person refused to answer the first question. Her vote counts the same as mine.
Which is why we are where we are today. Just because the Founders believed all men were created equal doesn't give government a mandate to keep everyone that way.
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Generally, we're all constitutionalists first and put party second, especially this ping list.
I heartily agree!
I would also like to say "Thank you!" for keeping the Constitutional discussions going with your threads.
You’re welcome!
After all I endure in California and Colorado, these threads rejuvinate me and give me hope.
Loud Mime "... My information is that they were written after the Constitution was written."
FYI (and you've probably checked by now { 8^D) The Federalists Papers were written after the Constitution was adopted by the convention, but before it was ratified by the states. So were the Anti-federalist Papers.
If you read the papers, it becomes obvious that they were written after the Constitution. Ergo, the teacher had never read them in a studious manner.
I remember when I read the Papers for the first time. I had to read each sentence word-by-word to figure out what they were saying. There was great beauty in their communications; something that today's high schooler will not understand unless they have a home schooling program enhancing their public indoctrination courses.
Your teacher may have thought that, because he probably was told by someone that the Federalist Papers were constructed as a blueprint describing the contents of the Constitution (which was the intent of the author's labors). Produced primarily by two men, Hamilton and Madison, the papers did precisely what they were intended to do. From the very beginning, the Supreme Court has relied on the Federalist Papers as a primary source for interpretation of the meaning of the Constitution. The papers' contents are invaluable for that purpose.
You're right then, but not now. New York ratified the Constitution in 1788. At present they seem to want to destroy it.
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