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Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 4/16/8 | Carla Marinucci

Posted on 04/16/2008 8:04:59 AM PDT by SmithL

The demolition derby that now defines the Democratic presidential primary race looks headed for another smashup tonight when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama meet for a debate in delegate-rich Pennsylvania, site of the nation's next big primary on Tuesday.

With the Democratic presidential hopefuls locked in open warfare as the last primaries wind down and the battle for delegates heats up, the questions now are: How much intra-party bashing will voters tolerate, and how much will the Republicans benefit?

Although past one-on-one debates between the New York and Illinois senators have been virtual lovefests, the terrain is different this time because Clinton is running out of room. Many political observers believe she must put the pedal down hard tonight if she hopes to convince all-important superdelegates that she alone has the muscle to take the Democratic fight on to the general election.

"It has been an enjoyable primary season," laughed Sacramento-based GOP strategist Rob Stutzman on Tuesday on the recent developments that have had Obama and Clinton pouring on the vitriol in the last week. Between the brouhaha over the "bitter" comments from Obama in San Francisco and the beer-and-gun-loving displays by Clinton as they have courted Pennsylvania voters, Stutzman notes, the Democratic presidential contest is "becoming the political equivalent of Vietnam. At some point, one of them catches a helicopter off the roof, but it's not clear who it will be - and how it will happen."

With just six days until voters go to the polls in Pennsylvania, Stutzman's obvious delight in tonight's debate (starting at 5 p.m. PDT on ABC) is a measure of just how much the presidential race has shifted - and just how impossibly tangled it looks for the Democrats right now.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: eatingtheirown; nobama; piaps

1 posted on 04/16/2008 8:04:59 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

wonder if any rat still wants a dreamteam ticket with both of these gascans on it at the same time? Hard for Her Thighness to praise BHO after the bitter issue.


2 posted on 04/16/2008 8:07:59 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: SmithL

Are they gonna helmets and kevlar vests?


3 posted on 04/16/2008 8:09:21 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: SmithL

4 posted on 04/16/2008 8:10:07 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: SmithL

Even his most ardent admirers in the MSM such as Chwissy Mathews of the tingling leg, admit that Obama’a debating skills are much less than his highly overrated speaking skills. We know Hillary can hold her whiskey and out shoot Barry, but when it gets down and dirty, can Barry hold up?


5 posted on 04/16/2008 8:11:13 AM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, let your Uncle Jeremiah speak publicly, so he can set the record straight himself.)
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To: SmithL
more than a quarter of Clinton voters say they will vote for McCain come fall if Obama is the party's nominee, while just 1 in 5 Obama voters say they will switch to McCain if Clinton is chosen.

I would take that with a large measure of salt. In the heat of battle, things are said that might not pan out.

I would seriously doubt that McCain gets 20-25% of the Dem vote.

6 posted on 04/16/2008 8:11:55 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I would seriously doubt that McCain gets 20-25% of the Dem vote.

You're probably right. But if he gets half of that in the right state or two, that could be enough to put him over the top. That's assuming he doesn't screw up his VP choice and the repubs don't stay home on election day.

7 posted on 04/16/2008 8:17:26 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: SmithL

Looks like Rush’s “Operation Chaos” is working like a charm—LOL!


8 posted on 04/16/2008 8:20:26 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I would seriously doubt that McCain gets 20-25% of the Dem vote.

I guess I need to work on my math; he purportedly would get 20-25% of the loser's share of the dem vote, which would be 10-12% of the dem vote altogether.

Still, it's a stretch.

9 posted on 04/16/2008 8:20:35 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SmithL

Girl fight! girl fight!


10 posted on 04/16/2008 8:24:17 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Dedicated to the preservation of American Exceptionalism.)
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To: epluribus_2

Why does anyone expect anything from these psudeo-debates? There will be no fireworks. As it was in every other debate, the two Socialists will try to “out Social” each other in a polite and civil way.

Bland and boring, just like both of them. They are not going to say anything to jeopardize the mediocrity of their campaigns.


11 posted on 04/16/2008 8:25:29 AM PDT by AnnGora (I am unique. Just like everybody else.)
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To: Biblebelter
Even his most ardent admirers in the MSM such as Chwissy Mathews of the tingling leg, admit that Obama’a debating skills are much less than his highly overrated speaking skills.

Barack Obama: The Troy McClure of politics. He doesn't have any ideas of his own but, if put him in front of a TelePrompter, his reading of other people's writing, no matter how meaningless, will bring a lump to your throat and a tear to your eye.


12 posted on 04/16/2008 8:32:31 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: SmithL
Are they gonna be supplied with water melon and pork chops?
13 posted on 04/16/2008 8:39:33 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: SmithL

I got stuck out of town a couple of days ago, had to get a room, and watch TV for the first time in years. It was non stop Obama and Clinton, with enough McCain thrown in to polish off the nausea. Most of it was on Obama’s ignorant, Pennsylvania remark, and the talking heads were framing it as class warfare. Not one of the them realized Obama was demeaning American culture, not class.


14 posted on 04/16/2008 8:40:27 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SmithL

Just another dog fight to see who can be a bigger socialist!


15 posted on 04/16/2008 8:48:48 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SmithL

Hopefully Clinton has this on her IPOD, to play thru the mic, by accident, of course;

Eric Clapton - Cocaine (Live Version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODLCQIBjNbc


16 posted on 04/16/2008 8:49:04 AM PDT by Son House (Democrat High Tax Rates Suppress Opportunity and Jobs..)
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To: SmithL
O were that it were so!

Two campaign buses colliding and bursting into flames ... with Algore receiving the nomination and being soundly defeated by McCain.

17 posted on 04/16/2008 8:55:29 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: SmithL

“becoming the political equivalent of Vietnam. At some point, one of them catches a helicopter off the roof, but it’s not clear who it will be - and how it will happen.”

interesting analogy. does it mean that one of them will allow a communist to win, due in large part to media manipulation?


18 posted on 04/16/2008 9:16:48 AM PDT by tm61
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To: SmithL
Sounds like a fun night with some freepers.


19 posted on 04/16/2008 9:20:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Support Rush's Operation CHAOS - Crush Hillary And Obama Simultaneously)
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To: McGruff

Let’s see, Barack vs Hillary or Red Sox-Yankees?


20 posted on 04/16/2008 9:36:24 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SmithL; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000; Grampa Dave; gonzo

THIS much separates the Stalinsky postions of my opponent and myself.

21 posted on 04/16/2008 9:43:11 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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22 posted on 04/16/2008 10:02:02 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: SmithL
What??? Another debate? What is this, debate #3,458.

Plus what the h*ll is there to debate between these two... who's the Marxist and who's the Trotskyite?

(IMO Obama is closer to the definition of a Trotskyite)

23 posted on 04/16/2008 10:11:43 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: SmithL
Tonight's debate should be a doozy. I'll wager that Hillary won't repeat her statement to be so proud to be on the stage with Barack Obama.

Both of their speechwriter teams must be in overdrive right now, having the candidates memorize lines that remind voters of the other's warts, while appearing to remain on the high road themselves. And there will no doubt be some below-the-belt knockout lines from Hillary. She has no choice. It should be a great cage match!

24 posted on 04/16/2008 10:40:36 AM PDT by Sender (Stop Islamisation. Defend our freedom.)
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To: massgopguy

Or Southpark.... screw the debate.


25 posted on 04/16/2008 10:44:28 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Sender

I hope she pops him with her broom.


26 posted on 04/16/2008 10:59:02 AM PDT by unkus
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To: SmithL

QUAGMIRE!!


27 posted on 04/16/2008 12:02:37 PM PDT by Uncledave
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To: unkus

Or see if her ashtray aim has improved.


28 posted on 04/16/2008 12:29:23 PM PDT by SmithL (Reject Obama's Half-Vast Wright-Wing Conspiracy)
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