Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Polygamist Sect Mothers Deny Allegations of Abuse
Fox News ^ | April 16, 2008 | FoxNews

Posted on 04/16/2008 1:39:51 PM PDT by MissouriConservative

Several women from the polygamist retreat raided more than a week ago defended their lifestyle Wednesday in an exclusive interview with FOX News, calling it "a wonderful pure life," and saying government officials deceived them when they raided the ranch where they live.

***SNIP***

"I want the world to know that our children have been torn from us and that they need us," said Sally, a mother of nine.

"They told us that they were going to put us on a bus and take us to where it was a bigger, better place to be — where our family could be together," she added.

***SNIP***

On Monday, officials began separating women and some of their offspring without warning, members of the sect said.

***SNIP***

Texas Children's Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said officials decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.

"I can tell you we believe the children who are victims of abuse or neglect, and particularly victims at the hands of their own parents, certainly are going to feel safer to tell their story when they don't have a parent there that's coaching them with how to respond," Meisner said.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: concentrationcamps; jeffwarren; sect
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-259 next last

1 posted on 04/16/2008 1:39:51 PM PDT by MissouriConservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

“Texas Children’s Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said officials decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.

“I can tell you we believe the children who are victims of abuse or neglect, and particularly victims at the hands of their own parents, certainly are going to feel safer to tell their story when they don’t have a parent there that’s coaching them with how to respond,” Meisner said.”

Seems to me that I remember a time when some daycare people were destroyed because the children made up a bunch of lies and were encouraged by child services. I wonder how much coaching Ms. Meisner is giving the kids about what to say. One woman in the story said....

“I have an 18-year-old daughter that has been taken and isolated, and they’re trying to interrogate her and trying to get her to say that she is the victim,” Amy told FOX News. “And she’s been isolated and interrogated through the whole night and then several days and the abuse is absolutely terrible.”

Sounds like grilling a suspect instead of interviewing a “victim”.


2 posted on 04/16/2008 1:42:32 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Conservative looking for a true Conservative candidate to support)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

I watched the interview this morning as I was getting ready for work; gave me the creeps. All 3 of the women interviewed seemed like they just weren’t quite all there.


3 posted on 04/16/2008 1:43:51 PM PDT by SoKatt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SoKatt

Stepford wives


4 posted on 04/16/2008 1:44:22 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
Where are the MEN from the compound?

Right now all we see are fresh-scrubbed mothers in their missionary garb.

Looks like a modern attempt at PR manipulation.

All of the photos I've seen are of females, where are the males?

5 posted on 04/16/2008 1:45:05 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
Saw these ladies on FOX this morning.

Obviously don't know much about the *outside* world.

Reminded me of some prairie stepford wives or normal wives on Prozac.

6 posted on 04/16/2008 1:45:27 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

I wonder if the mothers are speaking the accepted responses because they are threatened with the loss of their children.

Which, in most cases, a mother could be coerced into saying whatever her captors wanted.

The cult leaders could be threatening the women by telling them if the authorities didn’t like their lifestyle the children could be removed from the mothers forever.


7 posted on 04/16/2008 1:45:32 PM PDT by imintrouble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: wolfcreek

The Friends spent a lot of time on these gals this morning...it was disturbing indeed.


8 posted on 04/16/2008 1:46:55 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
Maybe they can borrow that quack psychologist from Utah who was busted in a set up with children of a chief of police posing as being from another family . She was caught outright imposing false “memory’ testimony .
9 posted on 04/16/2008 1:48:28 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SoKatt
None of the women I saw would answer at what age girls in the cult are getting married. Very evasive.

And they all spoke as if they were using a falsetto, instead of having voices of mature women. That's part of their gentle and meek countenance, I suppose, but I found it very disturbing.

These woman "have" to believe this cult crap, or they would realize how stuck they were with no future for themselves and their children. No education. No friends on the outside. No freedom. No independence. They'd have to face what their parents let happen to them. So the cycle continues.

10 posted on 04/16/2008 1:48:52 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: imintrouble
Or the state could be overstepping their rights ... An 18 year old is an ADULT and has the right to counsel if charged or the right of release if no charges are being brought forward.

This situation needs to be monitored very closely. There is an obvious pre-judgment that is occurring here. I'm of the opinion that court ordered advocates for the children should be the NORM in this situation with all contact between social services and the children being recorded and conducted in the presence of the child advocates.

11 posted on 04/16/2008 1:49:19 PM PDT by taxcontrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

Where did all their teenaged sons go?


12 posted on 04/16/2008 1:49:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
I want the world to know that our children have been torn from us and that they need us," said Sally, a mother of nine.

Well, Sally, that's because they need to determine whether there was abuse and what your level of complicity in that abuse has been.

By the way, Sally, how old were you when you married your husband? How old was he? Have any underaged daughters that were forced to marry an older man?

13 posted on 04/16/2008 1:51:41 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

“They told us that they were going to put us on a bus and take us to where it was a bigger, better place to be — where our family could be together,” she added.

Shades of the trains to Auschwitz


14 posted on 04/16/2008 1:51:56 PM PDT by acoulterfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SoKatt
“seemed like they just weren’t quite all there.”

Would you be if your children were taken from you and placed in the “care” of social workers? I sure as hell would not be. I have seen cases where social workers have abused their power for “the good of the children”. I am not saying that something did not happen there, but to take hundreds of kids away from their mothers based on an “anonymous” tipster they can not find is also very frightening. It could have been some teenager that thinks the whole group is just weird and decided to stir things up. Or perhaps the government made the call themselves. Is this really all the level of proof we need to rip families apart.

And we all know that children can be manipulated to say what ever the “interviewer” wants. This whole thing smells.

15 posted on 04/16/2008 1:52:25 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative
I don't mind Fox giving the mothers a forum--actually a good idea. Why did they return to the compound?

It does draw attn to the fact that we don't get to hear from the horny old goats, only the meek little sheep. This is so Stockholm Syndrome.

16 posted on 04/16/2008 1:53:08 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MEGoody
“Well, Sally, that's because they need to determine has been.”

And would you feel the same if the nice social workers showed up at your door to pull your kids out of your home to check on “whether there was abuse and what your level of complicity in that abuse”? Especially when there is no evidence of abuse except an anonymous tip?

I doubt it.

17 posted on 04/16/2008 1:56:23 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: MPJackal
Bump. After 11 days I wonder how spiffy anyone one would be.
18 posted on 04/16/2008 1:56:28 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: MEGoody

Well in Texas it says....

What is the age with parental consent in Texas?

Male: 14 – parental consent and/or permission of judge required. Below age of consent parties need parental consent and permission of judge, no younger than 14 for males and 13 for females.

Female: 14 – parental consent and/or permission of judge required. Below age of consent parties need parental consent and permission of judge. No younger than 14 for males and 13 for females.

So as long as mom or dad gives consent, as long as the girl was at least 14, it passes the state law test.


19 posted on 04/16/2008 1:58:26 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Conservative looking for a true Conservative candidate to support)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Texas_shutterbug
None of the women I saw would answer at what age girls in the cult are getting married. Very evasive.

I must've seen the same interview. It's a very simple, straight-up proposition: either underaged girls have gotten pregnant and had children, or they have not. If they have, the law was broken and these women did nothing to protect their children. In a small community, any one of the women would have to know. I lived in a much larger small town and everyone knew everything. And we weren't FLDS; just plain old small-town Americans.

And they all spoke as if they were using a falsetto, instead of having voices of mature women. That's part of their gentle and meek countenance, I suppose, but I found it very disturbing.

That part was weird, agreed. My immediate reaction was similar; that their husbands may have wanted them to talk that way, because it is meek and child-like.

These woman "have" to believe this cult crap, or they would realize how stuck they were with no future for themselves and their children. No education. No friends on the outside. No freedom. No independence. They'd have to face what their parents let happen to them. So the cycle continues.

But at some point, like every woman and man who have done the brave thing and left, they know it is wrong. They at least have to know it is illegal, because they are told not to talk to the public or law enforcement, at least according to reports of those who have left, for fear of arrest. I don't hold them as responsible as the men, but darned close.

20 posted on 04/16/2008 2:01:35 PM PDT by mountainbunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: MPJackal
but to take hundreds of kids away from their mothers based on an “anonymous” tipster they can not find is also very frightening.

Exactly. And it may backfire on them.

If there is a crime, and solid probable cause, investigate and prosecute that crime. But don't act on what may well be a ruse and then do so in a manner that looks more and more like a big fishing exercise.

These officials acted on a very thin (it seems to me) phone call that wasn't even recorded about a man who does not even live at the compound or in the state of Texas.

By acting so percipitously, if they do not locate this girl and have her story corroborated by facts, Texas may end up looking at huge law suits that fill this cult's coffers, and discourage future investigation.

I hope I ma wrong...but it's nonetheless always best to strictly follow constitutional guidance in such local matters. IMHO, they have (for what they consider to be the best of underlying reasons) stepped over their constitutional mandate if this girl turns out to be a ruse or disaffected member...and may jeopardize propoer investigation and prosecution in the future.

21 posted on 04/16/2008 2:02:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: acoulterfan
Shades of the trains to Auschwitz

Shades of drinking the cool-aide. This press thing was a lame attempt at PR and you seem to have bought it.

22 posted on 04/16/2008 2:02:42 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative
Where did all their teenaged sons go?

To Cal Farley's Boys Ranch.

http://www.calfarley.org/Pages/default.aspx

To which one post on the net is as follows:

http://texaslastfrontier.com/prairie_fire_journal/blog1.php

The state of Texas dispersed two dozen of the FLDS boys to the remote Cal Farley Boy's Ranch compound located in the northern Texas panhandle county of Oldham, approximately 400 miles north of Eldorado Monday night. In effect, placing the boys in a foster care facility without a proper hearing. Cal Farley's Boy Ranch is an isolated compound located at the confluence of the Canadian River and U.S. Highway 385. It's a privately operated facility for troubled children that emphasizes an evangelical Christian perspective. Life at the ranch is highly regimented, highly supervised, and the children have very limited contact with the outside world. Communicating with outsiders is forbidden unless approved and supervised by ranch staff. Attendance at Sunday church services is mandatory. I don't know how they punish children at the ranch these days, but in the 1970s I witnessed brutal beatings of children by the staff. Stiff corporal punishment was the order of the day back then. Since access to the ranch is restricted, it's hard for the general public to know what really goes on in there. I thought that was the kind of place the state claims it was saving them from when it conducted a mass abduction at the FLDS ranch in Eldorado 12 days ago.

23 posted on 04/16/2008 2:02:51 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
I have serious concerns about the 18 year old being held without charges, or counsel. I hope that turns out to not be the case.

/johnny

24 posted on 04/16/2008 2:04:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: MEGoody

“Well, Sally, that’s because they need to determine whether there was abuse and what your level of complicity in that abuse has been.”

And will you take that answer when they come for yours?

So you admit there has NOT BEEN a determination of abuse, but you are not bothered by the state taking four hundred children from their mothers.


25 posted on 04/16/2008 2:05:11 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: MPJackal
Especially when there is no evidence of abuse except an anonymous tip?

Young children walking around pregnant isn't evidence in your world.

26 posted on 04/16/2008 2:05:40 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

Does the age of consent for marriage matter, since most of these marriages are a sham? Or can I really give consent for my thirteen year old daughter to be raped by a fifty year old guy? Remember - they aren’t legally married!


27 posted on 04/16/2008 2:08:49 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: kbennkc
Maybe they can borrow that quack psychologist from Utah who was busted in a set up with children of a chief of police posing as being from another family . She was caught outright imposing false “memory’ testimony

Holy smokes...
28 posted on 04/16/2008 2:08:53 PM PDT by firewalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
There have been several reports of these girls being underage and pregnant. I've heard "21 teenage girls"--That is ALL they need to proceed with an investigation.

Have you noticed how few of the Big Love-Daddy Prophets have come forth to talk to the world?

Aren't they supposed to be Preachers?

Instead, they hide behind the flowing pink dresses of their concubines.

Bah.

I find it unsettling how many here on FR flirt with apologias for the perquisites of old, goat perverts.

29 posted on 04/16/2008 2:11:00 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
"a wonderful pure life,"

I am sure it is a "wonderful" life for the 50 year old men that bed 14 year old girls.

30 posted on 04/16/2008 2:11:16 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
There have been several reports of these girls being underage and pregnant. I've heard "21 teenage girls"--That is ALL they need to proceed with an investigation.

Have you noticed how few of the Big Love-Daddy Prophets have come forth to talk to the world?

Aren't they supposed to be Preachers?

Instead, they hide behind the flowing pink dresses of their concubines.

Bah.

I find it unsettling how many here on FR flirt with apologias for the perquisites of old, goat perverts.

31 posted on 04/16/2008 2:11:46 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
The locals have been watching the FLDS build its camp for 4 long years and building a case that they haven't told you about.

With 6 women asking to NOT go back to the camp and instead stay with their kids in town, I'd suggest they have all the evidence they need that the group was violating Texas laws.

Reading through your front page I caught wind of your being in the intermountain West just past Idaho. Got some relatives in the area ~ Christmas Valley ~ all of 'em belong to the local Apostolic Charismatic Church of the First Born .... bet you know exactly where that is don't you!

32 posted on 04/16/2008 2:12:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: org.whodat

Give us a link, Please..


33 posted on 04/16/2008 2:12:49 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (My Tee shirt for 2009-2012:" I voted FRED don't you wish you did")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
So as long as mom or dad gives consent, as long as the girl was at least 14, it passes the state law test.

And what does the "state law test" say about abortion?

34 posted on 04/16/2008 2:13:18 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

“The women, who appeared on FOX News wearing similar high-collared dresses in pastel colors, said they agreed to speak to the media in the hopes of getting their children back.” . . . so they could hand them over to pederast freaks when they start their periods.

There, fixed it.


35 posted on 04/16/2008 2:13:44 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mamzelle
Why did they return to the compound?

It's a RANCH. It is not a "compound". A 'compound' by definition would be an enclosed area and the inference is that it is also a fortification. The ranch in question is surrounded by the kind of ranch fencing typical of the area and there are no fortifications whatsoever at the ranch.

The term 'compound' is being used by the Texas authorities and the media to propagandize and incite opinion against these people.

36 posted on 04/16/2008 2:15:05 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

“Seems to me that I remember a time when some daycare people were destroyed because the children made up a bunch of lies and were encouraged by child services.”

The differences I see in this case are:

1. Their official, published beliefs are that adolescent girls should have sex with whatever man they are told to have sex with.

2. There is a lot of physical evidence that they are acting on their beliefs (many pregnant teen girls).

3. There are many ex members of this cult who will testify that this indeed occurs regularly.

I can’t put this in the same league as McMartin preschool.


37 posted on 04/16/2008 2:15:35 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative

Wrong. The age of consent has been changed to 16 with a parent’s permission. This law was enacted when the FLDS set up shop in TX a few years ago, knowing their track record with little girls.


38 posted on 04/16/2008 2:16:30 PM PDT by rightazrain (Stop Obama/Clinton!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Texas_shutterbug

“These woman “have” to believe this cult crap, “

I read that over a hundred women chose to go to a women’s shelter rather than return to their wonderful home.


39 posted on 04/16/2008 2:16:37 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: acoulterfan

“Shades of the trains to Auschwitz”

Where is Auschwitz? In the shelters, or back at the Ranch.

I think these trains were LEAVING Auschwitz, to go with your analogy.


40 posted on 04/16/2008 2:17:40 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
Seems to me that I remember a time when some daycare people were destroyed because the children made up a bunch of lies and were encouraged by child services. I wonder how much coaching Ms. Meisner is giving the kids about what to say.

While what you are talking about is a real concern if the people asking the questions don't do their jobs properly, I'm pretty sure the solution isn't to just ignore accusations of abuse and never question children without their parents present.

Record the sessions, and allow the parents to make the argument that their children were coerced.

“I have an 18-year-old daughter that has been taken and isolated, and they’re trying to interrogate her and trying to get her to say that she is the victim,” Amy told FOX News. “And she’s been isolated and interrogated through the whole night and then several days and the abuse is absolutely terrible.”

Sounds like grilling a suspect instead of interviewing a “victim”.

So why isn't this adult child demanding to speak with a lawyer or be released? It's not like she's been prevented from talking from anyone else. If she has been, how does this woman know this is happening?

This is a close knit cult. These are the people from that group that have volunteered to talk to the press. It's possible that they are just defending themselves against the evil government that is out to get them. It's also possible that they are lying to gain sympathy.

Her claims that her adult daughter not only had been held in isolation for days, but has been questioned without sleep, and suffered abusive interrogation is incredulous. Even if you accept her claims as true, how would she know how her daughter has been questioned since she's been isolated from her?

41 posted on 04/16/2008 2:18:36 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Marie2

You might want to look up the definition of one of the words you used.


42 posted on 04/16/2008 2:19:06 PM PDT by wideminded
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: PeterFinn
This raid was handled by grownups. It's not the Branch Davidians.

And it is enclosed, by several rings of obstacles.

Eww.

I can't really believe what I'm reading, the impulse to protect the prerogatives of degenerate men. This whole thing plays into a sick fantasy of domination. You don't see the parallels with Sharia?

43 posted on 04/16/2008 2:19:09 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative; MissouriConservative

Most of the boys are run off when they get old enough to fancy girls. There’s another post today about the “lost boys.”


44 posted on 04/16/2008 2:19:37 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative; MEGoody
What is the age with parental consent in Texas?

Male: 14 – parental consent and/or permission of judge required. Below age of consent parties need parental consent and permission of judge, no younger than 14 for males and 13 for females.

Female: 14 – parental consent and/or permission of judge required. Below age of consent parties need parental consent and permission of judge. No younger than 14 for males and 13 for females.

Wrong! The minimum age to marry was raised to 16 a few years ago just after this group moved to Texas.

45 posted on 04/16/2008 2:21:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: muawiyah
With 6 women asking to NOT go back to the camp and instead stay with their kids in town...

All you have is proof that these women chose to stay with their kids. Bear in mind the children are not allowed to return to the ranch so if the mothers wish to stay with their kids they cannot return to the ranch, either. That they made the choice to stay with their kids is being spun to make it look like they want to leave the ranch when that isn't completely true.

46 posted on 04/16/2008 2:21:47 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: PeterFinn
Compound has connotations of being closed off and separate to the rest of society.

If the shoe fits.

It's a compound.

47 posted on 04/16/2008 2:21:52 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: MissouriConservative
You wrote:

Well in Texas it says....

is the age with parental consent in Texas?

Where are you finding your information? Citations, please. You may be citing marriage law, but since these are not legal marriages, the marriage laws do not apply; the age of consent laws, do. And the marriage laws can only apply where there is no abuse and where the child consents.

The age of consent laws in Texas are very different, and they are damning. They paint an an entirely different picture:

The age of consent in Texas is 17 {Texas Penal Code Section 21.11}. However , "...It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor...was not more than three years older than the victim and of the opposite sex...(and) did not use duress, force, or a threat against the victim at the time of the offence" and is not a registered sex offender {Section 21.11(b)}.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Texas

You wrote:

: 14 – parental consent and/or permission of judge required. Below age of consent parties need parental consent and permission of judge, no younger than 14 for males and 13 for females.

: 14 – parental consent and/or permission of judge required. Below age of consent parties need parental consent and permission of judge. No younger than 14 for males and 13 for females

Again, please cite your sources, since plural marriages are not legal, the marriage laws do not and cannot apply to these children.

No parent can give their permission for their child to be abused illegally, regardless of age.

48 posted on 04/16/2008 2:22:21 PM PDT by mountainbunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: SoKatt

...they just weren’t quite all there.


Like the Charlie Manson harem girls...remember them?


49 posted on 04/16/2008 2:22:33 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker
Most of the boys are run off when they get old enough to fancy girls. There’s another post today about the “lost boys.”

Well that fits one of the definitions of "abuse" doensn't it!

50 posted on 04/16/2008 2:22:55 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-259 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson