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Posted on 04/16/2008 4:51:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
I'm not naïve. I know there are 12-year-olds in the world having sex. But it's not normal behavior. A 6th-grader seeking sex lives in a dysfunctional home. More likely she is being raped by an adult perpetrator. That's not what I say. That's what Planned Parenthood and Guttmacher Institute say:
The younger the mother, the greater the partner age gap. … Fathers are on average 9.8 years older than mothers 11 to 12 years of age.
I have never known or heard of a father, diligent or absentee, liberal or conservative, who pondered aloud that his 9-year-old daughter in three short years might have unprotected consensual sex, so we must make contraceptives and abortion available to her.
Such a father would be creepy, close to a pedophilia promoter.
Such a father would be Barack Obama, who indicated such at Sunday's Compassion Forum.
As backdrop, everyone is by now familiar with Obama's infamous March 29 statement:
Look, I got two daughters – 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
That is an erroneous statement as it stands. But it depends upon how normal is defined. It's normal from a biological point of view for pubertal mammals to have sex. Other points of view (religious, parental, etc.) may disagree.
Absolutely correct. There is no "normal." It's an illusion. The freest, most prosperous, productive civilzations in most of our history have been ones that declared a Judeo-Christian ethic. The most barbaric and cruel societies, where innocents including children are sacrificed, where females are supressed to sub-human status, where slavery either by law or by socialism, is okay -- not a one of them declares the Judeo Christian ethic.
Our Judeo-Christian foundation is the key that we turn and open the door to our lives, progress, pursuit, and freedom. When we allow its tenets to be rejected, we suffer the consequences and it should come as no surprise. It isn't as if there haven't been plenty of examples over the centuries.
To equate smoking cigarettes with homosexuality shows me the depth of your intellect.
I don’t smoke, but posts like yours make smoking seem attractive, if only for the “GET STUFFED” quotient.
My apologies if you're gay, no offense intended.
Yeah, right, okay.
If you had a brain cell, it would be quite lonely.
Good day.
I am totally at a loss as to what it is in this commentary that you disagree with.
But if it’s another Hildy’s a horrible person comment, save it.
I have NEVER said that you are a horrible person. I have always been very open about the areas where I disagree with you; however, I can see where this may have at times come across as being a personal attack, if this is the case then I sincerely apologize.
What I was saying was that my daughters are 9 and 6. And so if, at the age of 12 or 13, they made what I would consider to be a mistake, in having sex or unprotected sex, and ended up getting pregnant...
To say, "...what I would consider to be a mistake..." implies two things:
Others could validly consider it NOT to be a mistake.
It would be an error, but not an evil, in his opinion if his 12 year old daughter had sex with some guy.
How does this NOT give tacit consent men having sex with 12 year olds? His refusal to judge condones the behavior - statutory rape in most states.
Really? I hadn't noticed! Shucks...I must be one of those poor naive religious folks.
You seem to be adopting the idea--and correct me if I'm wrong--that "normal" is defined by what actually occurs in human populations. So if people do it...then it must be normal.
But is that really accurate? So if, say, a culture evolves that promotes statutory rape...then that behavior is normal?
There isn't a society alive that works that way though...every society has a system of "ought". Though of course there are people that go against that system, the system doesn't go away because of those who buck it. And I've never heard of any culture, frankly, that basis said system on what it views in the animal kingdom.
If you listen carefully to his answer,
you’ll hear that he wanted to make sure that he didn’t say that having sex at 12 or 13 was a mistake, but qualified it with “unprotected”.
Obama’s stated, verbalized opinion is that it would be OK, even for his daughters, to have “protected” sex at 12 or 13. To state otherwise would probably be too judgemental for the lefties.
Also notice, conspicuously absent from his response - the “A” word - ADOPTION.
"they made what I would consider to be a mistake, in having sex or unprotected sex"
I'm pretty sure that I heard a "corrective pause" instead of an "or" there, indicating that having sex at that age wouldn't be the "mistake", but having "unprotected sex" would be. Wouldn't want to cast judgement on 12-13 yr olds having "responsible sex".
He’s been taking them to Trinity United all their lives in order to be taught the values that he agrees with.
consequences are so judgemental...
we must do everything we can to avoid ANY consequences for sexual behavior - this is the ONLY freedom that the left promotes.
Why not? After all, we all evolved from a common ancestor and there’s nothing special about humans, right?
In a leftist society,
those who can get the most people behind them to put them in power “define normality”.
Great point - this needs to be expounded upon and shoved in the faces of all the "multicultural" crowd.
Nor did he acknowledge that the girls parents are often willing and financially able to take care of their grandchild.
Once you get beyond the liberal "nuances" of a baby being a "choice" or a "blob of cells," most parents are not willing to say that they want to kill their own grandchild.
"'You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve,' said Aslan. 'And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor in earth.'"
-C.S. Lewis, Prince Caspian
check the definition of pedophilia and you will have your answer
I can honestly say I never expected to read that from you. I accept your apology.
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