Jill Stanek: Obama and the sex life of 12 year olds

WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/16/08 | Jill Stanek

[wagglebee]

I'm not naïve. I know there are 12-year-olds in the world having sex. But it's not normal behavior. A 6th-grader seeking sex lives in a dysfunctional home. More likely she is being raped by an adult perpetrator. That's not what I say. That's what Planned Parenthood and Guttmacher Institute say:

The younger the mother, the greater the partner age gap. … Fathers are on average 9.8 years older than mothers 11 to 12 years of age.

I have never known or heard of a father, diligent or absentee, liberal or conservative, who pondered aloud that his 9-year-old daughter in three short years might have unprotected consensual sex, so we must make contraceptives and abortion available to her.

Such a father would be creepy, close to a pedophilia promoter.

Such a father would be Barack Obama, who indicated such at Sunday's Compassion Forum.

As backdrop, everyone is by now familiar with Obama's infamous March 29 statement:

Look, I got two daughters – 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information.

[wagglebee]

You're welcome. I know we generally agree, but I sense that you have a good heart and I do admire your willingness to stand firm on what you believe when many disagree with you.

If you want to see something that is beyond twisted, take a look at this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2002865/posts This leftist student at Yale has repeatedly had herself impregnated, then taken drugs to induce abortion/miscarriage and then turned the "waste" into "art."

[wagglebee]

Here’s a better link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2002865/posts

[Rudder]

You seem to be adopting the idea...that "normal" is defined by what actually occurs in human populations.

Uh, well, yeah. But, of course, the collective force of the society and culture within any given human culture shapes the definition of normal as well as individual behavior. (See my posts:33,37,39,40)

And there is this long-standing "notion of perfectibility" which has been introduced by Judeao-Christian religions which has systematized certain ideals to which humankind strives. And, finally, there's the notion of a duality: Animal-Man, or Beast-Noble, or Mind-Body (whatever you call it) that has also characterized mankind since...well, forever.

Is there an ultimate definition of "normalcy" and, if so, what is it?

Some people presume there is, others disagree...and on it goes.

[Rudder]

"In a leftist society, those who can get the most people behind them to put them in power “define normality."

What society does not do this?

[Army Air Corps]

Sick. Some “people” do not deserve to be called Human.

[MrB]

What society does not do this?

The society that the founders set up in the Constitution. Government was denied the power to define "normalcy".

[Rudder]

Government and society are not synonymous and society has power beyond the government's. I think what you say is true, and the constitution and its resulting government is an effort to establish a society wherein the individual has well-defined rights. Nevertheless, society still is not limited to government---it has other behavioral-shaping powers beyond those of the government, and all societies attempt to define and delimit the conduct of human affairs.

[Antoninus]

It's normal from a biological point of view for pubertal mammals to have sex.

It's also normal for mammals to eat their own feces.

Remind me never to eat at your house.

[Antoninus]

Tell that to Margaret Mead.

Uh, you do know that those "docile natives" that Mead was studying were having a go at her expense. She has been pretty thoroughly discredited these days:

Margaret Mead Hoax

Pacifist Hoax

The Fateful Hoaxing of Margaret Mead

[Antoninus]

I've heard it said that Samoans are...shall we say...not exactly thrilled with Mead's portrayal of them.

Uh, it's more than that. She's been almost completely discredited in the scientific community. Only cultural marxist Anthro professors and their students still hold her up as any kind of authority.

[Antoninus]

But if it’s another Hildy’s a horrible person comment, save it.

How about this: You're not pro-life, so please don't deign to speak for those of us who are.

Fair enough?

[Antoninus]

Yes, you're correct---societies, in an effort to modify normal human behavior, institute a variety of means of control, including laws and social disapproval. They wouldn't have to do that if human beings would just straighten up and behave "normally" would they?

This rhetoric is a classic example of what the cultural marxists hoped to achieve by indoctrinating students with their relativist pablum. You have bought their notion that "normal" human behavior should be defined as "any" human behavior, no matter how sick or depraved.

Realize this: Most of what they taught you in school to arrive at this conclusion was not based on science. It was based on lies. Promoting it only promotes the lie.

[MrB]

Hey, that might be true for you, but it’s not true for everybody else.

:)

I’m teaching my kids to avoid and disbelieve anyone with this worldview. After all, if there is no such thing as objective truth to these people, why would they tell you the truth?

[Antoninus]

After all, if there is no such thing as objective truth to these people, why would they tell you the truth?

Excellent point. Never trust anyone who believes that the truth is relative.

[wagglebee]

Citing Margaret Mead as an expert on sexual norms is like citing Walter Duranty as an expert on Stalinism. They were both agenda-driven frauds.

However, what is most troubling is that people who consider themselves to be conservatives ACCEPT the premise of cultural relativism. I’m curious though if they accept this across the board or only when it comes to sexual immorality. For instance, do they accept as “culturally equal” the “right” of Muslims to cut off the heads of non-Muslims? Because if one is to accept Margaret Mead’s cultural relativism as legitimate, we have no right to criticize the Muslims for living the way they have been living for well over a thousand years.

[wagglebee]

God’s laws for morality are just as inflexible as God’s laws for nature. They are true whether we believe in them or not.

The next time someone suggests that they can “opt out” of God’s laws ask them if they are willing to prove it by trying to defy His law of gravity.

[litehaus]

"Walter Duranty as an expert on Stalinism"

Another blast from the past" of Award Winning Journalists///Make that "Urinalists"

[wagglebee]

I’m sure in Dan Ratherbiased’s mind, if Duranty had had a word processor, Photoshop and a Kinkos he would have gotten away with it.

[MrB]

It struck me recently that God’s laws are not just to “restrict” us or for us to show our obedience.

This realization hit me when I saw the statistic of the average American having a $5k credit card balance and 40% of Americans spending more than they earn.

“Thou Shalt Not Covet” is not a restriction, it is a PROTECTION.

Follow God’s laws, and you will have a good life.
Oppose/ignore them, and your life is much harder than it needs to be.

[wagglebee]

Very true. The idea that He wants our lives to be any more difficult than we already make them through our own selfishness is absurd.