Posted on 04/16/2008 10:07:34 PM PDT by The_Republican
This was not a good debate for Obama, period. But it wasn't a great debate for Clinton either. Of course, that may not matter to Team Clinton. In a twp-way debate, it's not about which candidate narrowly wins -- but which candidate gets pummeled in the post-debate reviews. And Obama will get pummeled because well he did get pummeled, a little bit by Clinton and a little bit by the moderators.
In the first 40 minutes of the debate, most of the questioning was on Obama's negatives (except for a lone Bosnia-sniper question to Clinton) and that's what helped create what was a near disastrous performance by Obama in those first 40 minutes. He was weak in a lot of his answers on his personal negatives. (Did he really compare Tom Coburn to a one-time '60s radical/terrorist?) Clinton, meanwhile, piled on, particularly (and surprisingly, actually) on Ayers.
Many news organizations will feel compelled to do Ayers stories in the next few days. While some may question the fairness and relevancy of the Ayers issue, it's not going to be good for Obama.
This debate is going to lead a lot of Obama supporters to ratchet up the calls on Clinton to either withdraw or tone down the attacks. Clinton supporters will point to this debate as proof that he's not yet ready for the general, that's why she should stay in, and that's why superdelegates should overturn the winner of pledged delegates.
And as we've noted in "First Thoughts" quite a few times, whenever the spotlight is on one candidate, the other seems to benefit. Tonight, the spotlight was on Obama, and for a short period of time, I expect Clinton to benefit.
(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...
Obama is clever in the sense that he doesn't pile on and only states anything negative when he is absolutely forced to. On the other hand, Hillary can't complete a single sentence without launching a vicious hypocritical attack.
Today the moderators piled on Obama in unbelieveable way. It might as well have been Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly out there.
He took the blows but did what you could do with barrage like that.
He made one strong come back on Hildabeast and she was given the option to respond and she smartly passed on it.
Moderators piled on Ayers issue, Hildabeast piled on. Finally Obama said that President Klinton PARDONED Underground something Terrorist. What is more egregious?
That shut the effing witch up.
Actually, Hillary should have had an easy answer to that one. Clinton pardoned them after they had served long prison sentences. I’m not sure, but I assume they expressed regret and remorse as part of their pardon process, as is normally the case.
Ayers was never convicted, only because the evidence against him had to be thrown out. He not only doesn’t express remorse, he still says he wished he had done more.
What is more egregious?
Ayers.
Then Obama should have responded, Pandering to Puerto Rican voters didn’t have anything to do with it?
FALN Terrorists are the only ones who have shown remorse?
Obama doesn’t seem to really be very bright.
Agreed. Can’t believe MSNBC actually went this far. “Nightline” was half-weepy over Obama.
And part of the country is stupid enough to believe that OBama hung around Ayers and Jeremiah Wright and never nodded in agreement with their ideaology.
Well, anybody with an I.Q. over 85 ought to be able to figure it out ... one would think, anyways ...
All three Dem candidates, Obama, Clinton and McCain, are thin-skinned.
Hopefully that 85 IQ number is enough for people to realize that proven traitors can not be given command again.
I am merely paraphrasing because I cannot recall the exact quotes:
Moderator: Would you distance yourself from Jeremiah Wright?
Obama: I distance myself from his comments, not the racist himself. Reverend Farrakhan, change, George Bush, yadda yadda, Chicago
Moderator: Is the DC Gun ban a Constitutional law?
Obama: Yadda yadda yadda, not sure, hope, change, troubling, yadda yadda yadda, community organizer...
Clinton: I am going to bring back the Assault Weapons Ban, and I am going to get the 'illegal guns.' (She means all guns will be declared 'assault, illegal, troubling, or evil' guns, and at least she is open about her jackbooted plans).
It is NEVER good for Obama when he is confronted by questions or shares the stage with a competitor. That may be why his political life has no achievements to show. He does not interact well with others. His strong suit is giving lectures, but as someone who went to college when there were still a few college professors who knew how to lecture, I can say that Barry is not in their league.
I hope McCain didn’t eat the Early bird dinner and sleep at 6:00pm.
Hildabeast actually said in condescending tone that yeah the commanders and generals are there but what the buck do they know.....in the end I am going to decide whats gonna happpen in Iraq.
The moderators had to ASK that is she going to IGNORE the commanders on ground?
Then she changed her tune a bit.
Obama is too stupid to jump on that.
McCain SHOULD.
However, I think McCain’s people really believe that Hillary would be easier target. So at this time they appear to be helping her by ganging up on Obama.
Obama is far worse than Clinton.
McCain will beat Clinton, but I doubt he can beat Obama’s mindless cult. It will be old man versus youth.
Trust me, you don’t want that match-up ...
Unless you want Obama to be President of this country.
You are lost. Hildabeast would take 52% of the vote and annihilate McCain in Electoral Votes.
With her as Nominee, not a single Blue State would be flipped, but bunch of red would move to her column.
You are hung up on Obama’s associates, just like Limbaugh and others, and you guys are going to bring us another 8 years of Klintons.
Hopefully Obama’s cult can slay the witch.
Exactly. Nothing seems capable of getting through to the lemmings.
As I recall, the FALN terrorists didn’t even ask for a pardon, but Clinton gave them one anyway just to get votes.
With Hillary, one can fight her on the issues without being called a racist every 2 minutes.
With Obama, the Republicans will NEVER, everrrrrrrrr, challenge him on ANYTHING for fear of being called "racists."
The USA will be no more if The Black Racist gets into office.
Bank on it.
Far Worse? LOL! Women and Children burned at Waco beg to disagree.
I doubt that I’m lost. Obama won the majority of dozen plus contests but it is true he hasn’t won a big state. Yet. (Dem big state). Truth is we don’t know actually how things will go and polls aren’t that reliable. Half don’t agree with the other half.
It’s not just Obama’s associates. We’ve heard plenty from him on infants born alive, knocking off his daughter’s children if they’re a “mistake”, bitter Americans clinging to guns and religion ... blah blah blah
And yes, his associations as well ...
Personally I don’t want to take a chance with a man who sat under a man for 20 years like Jeremiah Wright.
A man who celebrated 9/11 five days after the attack and called for God to **** America in 2003.
But, hey, that’s me ...
Thank you both ...
There is NOTHING Obama can say or do to carry Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Klintons don’t lose and they certainly don’t lose to Republicans.
Giant Majorities that they would have in Congress, she is going to place her foot in every conservative’s butt, her first day in office.
Guranteed.
that’s it, you ssaid the Magic words.....Jeremiah Wright. That’s why you will be satisfied with President Klinton.
You will live to regret that. I gurantee you.
I agree on the horror of Waco. I blame that mostly on Reno but I do blame Bill Clinton for backing Reno *after* it was over and done. None of the senators had the guts to do anything about it, either.
We’ll regret Obama worse. Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
There is no mindless cult behind either McCain nor Clinton.
If an Obama rally comes to a college at your town, go, just to observe.
I haven’t been to one but most of my friends / work associates are college-age. None of them has any idea whatsoever is wrong with Obama. Blank stares ..........
see how we all believe what we want to believe. Poor Klinton got scrwed by Reno. Yeah right.
This is the same scumbag who blamed Rush Limbauh and conservatives after Okalahoma City bombing.
This guys offed Ron Brown.
He had memos from EVERY Secretary in his administration to NOT give the Missle Guidance Technology to China and he had the letter from his BIGGEST DONOR to give him permission. He went with the donor.
PROVEN MURDERERS AND TERROIST.
Another 8 years. They want to wipe out Conservatives and demonize them. Soon epithets like TALIBAN-REPUBLICANS would be used daily.
For you its only about Jeremiah Wright. Anything else, you can’t focus on.
“Poor Klinton got scrwed by Reno. “
Don’t write words I didn’t say. Twisting is childish.
Reno ordered the final assault. Now you know that to be true.
I didn’t let Clinton off the hook.
Both absolutely stood up and lied through their teeth.
God help this country should they be elected.
You are right - Cult behind Klinton is NOT mindless.
Blumenthal, Brock, Davis, Begala, Soros, Tenet, Carvell, Emmanuel, amongst others.......one thing they are not is mindless.
Brilliant, Canniving, Evil, Treasonous, Conservative Haters, whose goal in life is to wipe out the movement.
Mindless they are not.
“For you its only about Jeremiah Wright.”
Good grief. You’re just being silly and making straw man arguments now.
Hamas has goons in the Gaza Strip phoning Americans for Obama. Al Jazeera is proud to report.
Doesn’t that concern you even a little bit?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020315.php
You make good points, but I just don't know.
If the Obama people can continue to hide their hatred for whites and masquerade as "Christians," then I am not so certain how McCain can win this thing. McCain even puts stock in ridiculous superstitions. You would think a genuine Faith in God would override any need for such foolish nonsensical beliefs.
The Obama crowd also has more energy and money than the McCain crowd because McCain spent the past year booting Conservatives out of his court.
Hillary is practically out of money, which is why I want her to win. Her crowd is just as sporadic and fair-weather as McCain's crowd.
Neither Hillary nor McCain have the advantage against each other because they seem to alienate their base audiences respectively.
On one side, Hillary has the Kool-Aid guzzling atheists to court in order to win (think of the $$$ that they control). Plus she has to go through a major overhaul on physical image as McCain does. Obama has no physical image to worry about, and he has TONS of cashola.
On the other side, McCain has to court us Patriotic Christians in order to win this November. He is basically out of money, leaving him and Hillary with the same problem rather than a disadvantage to Obama's cash.
One is a guranteed loser, and other invincible to Republicans.
People think Klintons’ negatives can stop them.
They drive up their opponents negatives and cancel them out. They don’t lose. McCain would get blown out.
Obama as even his biggest enemies noted above, HAS NOT WON A SINGLE BIG DEM STATE.
He can’t and won’t connect with “small town people” in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
McCain would LOSE popular vote, but still win EASILY in Electoral College. ONLY way we don’t end up with Klinton as President, Harry Reid with close to 60 seats in Senate. Nancy Pelosi in House.
Yeah Conservatives, go ahead, stop Jeremiah Wright. Hillary has GREAT REWARDS planned for you.
So what? Osama Bin Laden personally issued endorsement for Kerry and ALL Democrats 3 days before last election.
If they are NOT for Obama, they are for Hillary.
She is the one who said she doesn’t give a buck about commanders on ground. Also Klintons have proven, that whoever PAYS them, even now most of their wealth has come from MIDDLE EASTERN donors. They will sell out to anybody.
They always get away with it. Obama at least said he would get advice from ground commanders.
Goodnight.
“Obama at least said he would get advice from ground commanders”
And I’m sure we can trust him as much as the Clintons.
Goodnight.
Just imagine how an Obama cabinet would respond to questions or reports from people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter?
To Obama's black base, it's all about "getting whitey." And if you challenge their behavior, then you are a racist.
There is nothing American about them at all.
It’s about time somebody “piled on” that scumbag Obama.
I take it that you’re an Obama supporter?
Yes, that was rich. So...how do you plan to eliminate gangstas getting guns/illiegal assault weapons, huh, either HRC or BHO? Interesting how they’re not yet pressed to answer that question.
I think more of the country gets it than we know, or that the MSM and polls reflect. I believe.
I sure hope so because the MSM seems quite bent on spinning it. ABC news seems to do well, even hard-hitting. Then backs off to an almost neutral corner.
It’s like they’re afraid of him or something. Very bizarre.
The pardoned Puerto Rican terrorists were a cause celebre in the PR communities in New York. This was a play for their votes for HRC’s run for the Senate. That gives you a little more perspective on who those supposedly “remorseful” terrorists were. There was a benefit in it for the Clintons, not a magnanimous grant of executive clemency to a deserving convict.
Well, on the Iraq question, BHO was MOST vocal about saying that the military shouldn’t “dictate the mission and policy” but that was for the president to do, and the military’s role is to carry out that policy. He said it at least twice. Our most formidable threat in Nov. is not Hillary, but B. Hussein Obama. You are right, though, about his weakness when confronted spontaneously on various issues, and it hasn’t even yet begun. His strengths are prepared speeces and teleprompters.
Even if they were pressed about the 2nd Amendment, all we would have heard was a bunch of massaged language and tired cliches like:
"hope, Bush, change, oil companies, believe, community organizer, father, coal miner, troubling, dreamed, concerns me, ideas, conversation, sometimes, not sure, cannot recall, not that I am aware of, plan to, assault weapons, not certain, look, understand, Republicans, etc..."
Never a direct answer. Only generalizations. I did enjoy the gaffes from Hillary regarding her refusal to listen to Soldiers on the ground, and I just love her unConstitutional plan to "ban assault weapons."
Like any of these d*mn Democrats will make American lives safer.
you’re absolutely RIGHT! People need to realize just how dangerous this guy is, and it’s almost supernatural.
Ref your Post #11.
YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, MY FRIEND, ON ALL POINTS; YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.
And what about a President Obama??? Kiss this country goodbye as we know it.
And thank you both, too.
In my hurry, I neglected to mention the Oprah-cult which is pushing Obama and Oprah’s money. A dangerous combination now that we’re finding out just how fruity Oprah is taking her new “religion” too. The fact that she once attended Trinity is relevant, too, I think. But she and Obama obviously share an ideaology for her to throw her weight behind him (so to speak).
Here’s a couple Oprah videos ...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pwGLNbiw1gk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA
The bottom one has had over a million hits since Saturday. I showed it a friend Sat. afternoon and noted it was at 3,695,000 or so, just shy of 3.7 million.
Now it’s over 4.7 million.
The other one has had almost 200,000 views in the same period.
Gotta hit the sack. ‘night!
Agreed. If the She-beast wins the White House, the biggest reason will be the mouth to mouth rescue continually given to her by Limbaugh on each day's show. He is practically hysterical in his trashing of Obama and supporting of Hillary. It isn't just a joke with him. That's his candidate, not McCain. I can't stand listening to it.
yes, yes, yes. Guys, this is not a chess game or amusement to watch, it’s the future and safety of our nation, our children, grandchildren and their children. It’s whether the United States of America continues, and we owe our founding fathers (most of whom ended up broke andor broken over what they fought for - check it out) so much more. Okay, guess I’m a flag-waver. But we’ve been divinely blessed and should never take it for granted. Why do most people not appreciate something until it’s gone?
Obama has an even greater agenda than Clinton, and given the chance, he will listen to no one. He’s dangerous and does NOT have this country’s interests at heart.
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