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Dem Debate: Obama’s Waterloo
HotAir ^ | April 17, 2008 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 04/17/2008 4:55:08 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

The last Democratic debate has finally concluded, and perhaps the last chances of ending the primaries early. Thanks to a surprisingly tenacious set of questions for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton from ABC moderaters Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous, Barack Obama got exposed over and over again as an empty suit, while Hillary cleaned his clock. However, the big winner didn’t even take the stage tonight.

The first 45 minutes of the scheduled 90-minute debate (which went 15 minutes over) wound up focusing on the series of gaffes and stumbles from both candidates. Hillary more or less defused the Tuzla Dash by admitting she essentially lied about it, trying at one point to use the “sleep deprivation” defense. Obama, however, never did figure out the First Rule of Holes. Once again, he described religion as a refuge people use when government doesn’t work — a fatal misreading of religious faith in America. He not only came up with bad answers, he looked lost and tentative throughout the entire period.

Hillary didn’t let him off the hook, either, not when it came to Crackerquiddick or on the Wright Stuff. Noting that “you choose your pastor, not your family,” Hillary once again pounded Obama for not doing anything about Wright when he had the chance. She also jumped at the chance to note that former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers was more than just a “neighbor”, as Obama described him. Hillary pointed out that Obama and Ayers worked on a foundation together for years, even after 9/11, even after Ayers said publicly that he didn’t regret his terrorism.

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KEYWORDS: abcnews; debate; demdebates; hillary; obama; pa2008
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1 posted on 04/17/2008 4:55:08 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I thought the debate was great, but democrats around here where I live in PA don’t care what Obama or Hillary say. They love them anyway...


2 posted on 04/17/2008 4:58:38 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I was very much heartened by last night’s debate. Obama is unstoppable. He can’t lose the nomination. The Annointed Queen is toast. McCain is going to go up against the stupidest leftist since Mike Dukakis. McCain is one lucky SOB.


3 posted on 04/17/2008 5:00:09 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Seems the more he talks the more he changes, into a politician like all the rest.


4 posted on 04/17/2008 5:00:15 AM PDT by benjamin032
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The penguins were in the process of winning the first round of the playoffs in 4 last night. NOBODY west of Harrisburg watched this debate. Did the Flyers play?


5 posted on 04/17/2008 5:00:18 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
She also jumped at the chance to note that former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers was more than just a “neighbor”, as Obama described him.

Bet Hil didn't mention her early association with the Black Panthers
6 posted on 04/17/2008 5:01:29 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I thought the debate was great, but democrats around here where I live in PA don’t care what Obama or Hillary say. They love them anyway...

Yep

Just like Eric Hofer's TRUE BELIEVERS

And the description that liberalism is a mental disease becomes more evident every day
7 posted on 04/17/2008 5:03:26 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Would he really try to use religion as the explanation for the Revolution?


8 posted on 04/17/2008 5:03:28 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: samtheman
McCain is going to go up against the stupidest leftist since Mike Dukakis. McCain is one lucky SOB.

Unfortunately the American electorate is also the most stupid brainwashed in history
9 posted on 04/17/2008 5:04:51 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I didn’t watch it. The article is not surprising. I think McCAin and a good VP candidate will clean either one’s clock. I mean can you picture Obama trying to get votes from the Nascar crowd?


10 posted on 04/17/2008 5:06:44 AM PDT by nikos1121 (typical white person)
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To: uncbob

Unfortunately, both comments are true.


11 posted on 04/17/2008 5:08:37 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: samtheman
I think you're very accurate on this. Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's the emperor without clothes....His views are so 180degrees from what we believe in, it's astounding that he's got this far. Hillary, I think would be the tougher candidate, but I can't see how she'll get it unless they match them together on a ticket...which would be even more disastrous...for them...
12 posted on 04/17/2008 5:08:59 AM PDT by nikos1121 (typical white person)
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To: uncbob

I love the writings of Eric Hoffer. I wish someone had video of his interviews with ERic Severied...Surely someone hasthem...

These people are blind fanatics. They jumped on Obama’s wagon early. Only, it’s clear that he is NOT his own man...He caters to many special interests esp thosewith the black ideology....


13 posted on 04/17/2008 5:11:01 AM PDT by nikos1121 (typical white person)
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To: Soliton
Did the Flyers play?

Don't know, but I watched the Phillies lose.

14 posted on 04/17/2008 5:14:46 AM PDT by randita (I'm a "typical white person" and I voted for Lynn Swann.)
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To: nikos1121
unless they match them together on a ticket

A match made in hell...

Who would be on top?

ME! me! ME! me!

Would YOU want to stand between Hillary and the Oval Office?

I'd sooner stand in front of Michael Moore in the Dunkin' Donuts line...

15 posted on 04/17/2008 5:17:47 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Here in North Carolina. The Democratic Gov and party leaders want another debate and Obama won’t debate again.


16 posted on 04/17/2008 5:19:17 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The last Democratic debate

Hillary has agreed to a debate in North Carolina in the next couple of weeks.

So far, she's the only participant, though.

17 posted on 04/17/2008 5:21:54 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Koolaid does that to you.


18 posted on 04/17/2008 5:24:25 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: SMARTY

Stephanie LaCapra listening to Obama at Penn State on March 30...

19 posted on 04/17/2008 5:28:31 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: nikos1121

An article I just read elsewhere, slammed the monitors and called the debate superficial in that old news questions were reiterated and was preoccupied with non-issues. It also said that Evit took him apart.


20 posted on 04/17/2008 5:29:35 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: nikos1121
I didn’t watch it.

Too bad...I had a lot of fun watching Gibson and Stephanopolous go after them...

21 posted on 04/17/2008 5:30:30 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

That is just sad.


22 posted on 04/17/2008 5:31:50 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Rush on McCain: "We're so screwed.")
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To: uncbob

Bill Clinton just spoke in Easton, and evidently, the people waited in a long line and treated him like a rock star. My daughter works with a clinton supporter, and she says you can’t discuss politics with the woman. She’s so brainwashed...


23 posted on 04/17/2008 5:33:06 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Heil Obama!

An old German lady who used to be my neighbor, said that she attended an Adolph Hitler rally. She admitted that he was a psychopath, but said that he ‘moved’ everyone who saw him... she couldn't explain how but said that his presence was ‘commanding’ and impressive. She was almost 100 years old when she told me this and her eyes lit up when she said it... just like it happened yesterday.

She scared me.

24 posted on 04/17/2008 5:33:31 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It got worse when Gibson asked about capital-gains tax rates, which Obama has pledged to raise. When Gibson repeatedly pointed out that decreasing the rates actually increased the revenues, Obama simply couldn’t come up with an answer, stammering while trying to change the subject.

Why, that's the Laffer curve!

Anybody? Anybody?

...Bueller?

25 posted on 04/17/2008 5:34:02 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, weÂ’re still retarded.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Obama’s the Big Man on Penn State Campus: “Oh, my God! I love you, Barack! Look at me!”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1994321/posts


26 posted on 04/17/2008 5:34:48 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I believe you live in the Easton/Bethlehem area? I’m slightly west, but yep, as long as it’s a dem, it’s true love.


27 posted on 04/17/2008 5:35:27 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: nikos1121

You really think McCain will do that? He’s too much of a wuss. I can only think of Jack Kemp vs Gore in 96- pathetically weak and unsure.


28 posted on 04/17/2008 5:36:44 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, weÂ’re still retarded.)
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To: stevio
I believe you live in the Easton/Bethlehem area? I’m slightly west, but yep, as long as it’s a dem, it’s true love.

We're seeing a group of people on Friday night. One of the guys owns a small business and hunts. He is a huge Hillary supporter. Go figure...

29 posted on 04/17/2008 5:39:23 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: ovrtaxt

The EMPTY SUIT is blowing in the wind and the WITCH has long been dead!


30 posted on 04/17/2008 5:40:36 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: nikos1121

Parade-goers in Scranton Adore Hillary: “Girls Screamed like when the Beatles Arrived”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1989330/posts

*****
Democrat voters here in PA LOVE Hillary too...


31 posted on 04/17/2008 5:41:57 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Isn’t it amazing that you can point out all the stupid obvious lies, the failings of all their proposals,

and leftists just shrug and say “I like him/her”.


32 posted on 04/17/2008 5:42:17 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: samtheman
McCain is one lucky SOB

Say what you will about him, he's stuck at it, stayed in the game. I think he'd have beaten Kerry also. The DEMs are off the deep end.

33 posted on 04/17/2008 5:42:32 AM PDT by Huck (Watching the DEMs come down the stretch is like watching the Mets come down the stretch!)
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To: uncbob

Well, the left is, at least.

They’ve been well trained in group think.

And that’s all their looking at here - two victim group representatives.

Based on that, “black” trumps “woman”, so Obama wins the popular vote, which is what we’re seeing.

But Hildy will steal the nomination - hopefully fracturing the dhimmirats beyond redemption.


34 posted on 04/17/2008 5:44:06 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Hillary has agreed to a debate in North Carolina in the next couple of weeks.

So far, she's the only participant, though.


Considering here large number of positions on the issues she could always debate herself....
35 posted on 04/17/2008 5:44:45 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: MrB
Isn’t it amazing that you can point out all the stupid obvious lies, the failings of all their proposals, and leftists just shrug and say “I like him/her”.

I've learned not to discuss politics with friends and relatives unless I know they're Republicans because you end up in an argument. It's pointless because democrats won't listen to reason....

36 posted on 04/17/2008 5:45:27 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: SMARTY

Well, and you have to admit, the swastika is a hell of a logo. The Nazis provided amazing theater. The flaming torchlight, the giant romanesque eagles, the big red nazi banners, and finally ole Adolf ranting and raving. I can see how people got swept up in it.


37 posted on 04/17/2008 5:46:19 AM PDT by Huck (Watching the DEMs come down the stretch is like watching the Mets come down the stretch!)
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To: samtheman

I think calling Obama stupid is vastly underestimating him. The guy came out of nowhere with practically no experience at all to stop the expected coronation of Shrillary.

He is in fact more dangerous than Dukakis. He really believes in the marxist variant of materialism and that religion is an opiate of the people. (Of course he excludes his own church for black liberation reasons.)

But that he got this far without any of it being exposed shows that he is anything but stupid.

McCain needs to run a focused, disciplined race. We do not know if he can do that as he gets too caught up with himself.

Both Rat candidates are out and out socialists. The question remains only which one is more true to Saul Alinsky. I think Obama wins by a nod, but Shrillary gets bonus points for supporting radical killers in the Black Panthers.

These people are dangerous and a cyst in our country. They will bring their polluted views to all of America and the world.


38 posted on 04/17/2008 5:49:24 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: Huck
I don't. But then of course, I am adept at detaching myself from ALL forms of hysteria. I feel like I became an adult the day I learned I did not HAVE to give myself up to my feelings and motions.
39 posted on 04/17/2008 5:51:26 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: SMARTY

That’s ‘emotions’ and it works the same way.


40 posted on 04/17/2008 5:52:21 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: ovrtaxt

Yeah, they were lying bigtime, blaming Bush’s “tax cut for the rich” for the state of Social Security,

when the revenues increased, and the rich actually paid a BIGGER PERCENTAGE of the tax burden due to the decreased rates.

This is the line I use against libs on this topic -
Since revenues have been shown, every time, to increase whenever the rates are reduced, your argument for higher taxes must not be about revenue. It must be about your need for control, or some sort of childish jealous vindictiveness that you’ve been brainwashed into by the democrats.
Got another explanation? errr stammer uh...


41 posted on 04/17/2008 5:53:46 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: SMARTY
I I I I I . My point was that the Nazis made expert use of theater, imagery, hooplah, and that it's understandable that people could be swept up in it. I wasn't arguing whether or not you personally could have withstood it.

There are sometimes when anyone can get swept up in the emotions of a ritual. The Nazis took full advantage. Yesterday Rush Limbaugh was swept away by the US Army band playing "Battle Hymn of the Republic" for the Pope. When my father was laid to rest at Arlington, and the finely dressed soldier handed the folded American flag to my mother, I was blubbering like a baby. The Nazis tapped into the power of ritual, mysticism, theater, and swept away quite a lot of folks with them. It is understandable, even if you personally are able to remain stoic.

42 posted on 04/17/2008 5:58:09 AM PDT by Huck (Watching the DEMs come down the stretch is like watching the Mets come down the stretch!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Morrissey is right - for almost the first time in a Dem debate, the moderators asked a few tough questions.

But the media whores who're in the tank for Obama (Tom Shales etc.) are screaming this morning! Worst I've heard so far is Don Imus.

Imus, after committing the unforgiveable sin of admitting the truth about Obama a few days ago ("he's a phony") has been pussy-whipped back into line.

Imus apparently got a whuppin' from his lefty Obama-worshipping wife Deirdre and his new black female sidekick, Kerith Foster, for that little slip-up. (Kerith is also on the warpath against Monica Crowley, who as a guest on Imus program dared to criticize Obama - Kerith vows she'll "scratch Monica's eyes out.")

Now in penance Imus has taken a page (literally) from the Rev. Wright's sermon book, labeling anyone who brings up the Wright or Ayers stories as "stuck on stupid." Particularly Sean Hannity.

Imus finds Wright's "stuck on stupid" phrase so clever, he's rechristened the Hannity & Colmes show "Stuck on Stupid & Colmes." (Imus thinks that's so witty, he's made the joke about 50 times in the last two days.)

43 posted on 04/17/2008 5:58:38 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: shhrubbery!

You listen to Imus?


44 posted on 04/17/2008 5:59:57 AM PDT by Huck (Watching the DEMs come down the stretch is like watching the Mets come down the stretch!)
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To: uncbob

Didn’t Bill also pardon a bunch of FARC terrorists?


45 posted on 04/17/2008 6:00:37 AM PDT by TexasMatty (Stay away from my bacon, food nazis!!)
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To: TexasMatty
Didn’t Bill also pardon a bunch of FARC terrorists?

FALN terrorists. It should help Hill in the Puerto Rico primary.

46 posted on 04/17/2008 6:02:37 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (El Conservo Tribe, tribal name "Avoids Fort Marcy Park" Watching the Rat Fight. typical white person)
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To: Huck
Yeah. Nothing else to listen to on morning radio after WABC booted Curtis & Kuby to make room for Imus.

I thought of getting satellite radio so we could hear Bill Bennett instead. Never got around to it though.

47 posted on 04/17/2008 6:05:27 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: NeoCaveman
FALN terrorists. It should help Hill in the Puerto Rico primary.

He did it so that she'd get the Puerto Rican vote in New York during her senate run.

48 posted on 04/17/2008 6:07:25 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: shhrubbery!

That’s the typical leftist method of “debate” -

if you don’t agree with my leftist position on everything, you must be stupid, because only stupid people don’t understand and take my “enlightened” viewpoint.


49 posted on 04/17/2008 6:08:41 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Huck

Sorry I said anything. Somehow, I mistook this for a place to exchange thoughts, and ideas.


50 posted on 04/17/2008 6:11:17 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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