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TN: Hispanic community rocked by plant raid [Pilgrim's Pride Ping]
Chattanooga Times-Free Press ^ | 4/17/08 | Erin Segroves

Posted on 04/17/2008 7:27:32 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Anxious phone calls poured in early Wednesday morning.

Friends and relatives of the morning-shift workers at Pilgrim’s Pride chicken plants called Esteban and Netchie Lopez, co-owners of the Latin American Consulting Co., even before the immigration sweep started at 8:15 a.m.

“There are many families that already knew that at any moment there would be raids,” Mr. Lopez said in Spanish.

Tension and fear burned through Chattanooga’s immigrant community Wednesday after federal agents arrested more than 100 people at the downtown Pilgrim’s Pride plants. One second-shift worker at the company, worried that his aunt was caught in the raid, called about his three young cousins, Mr. Lopez said.

“I told him to take responsibility of the children temporarily,” said Mr. Lopez. “(He) said to me, ‘I’m not going back to work’.”

Some businesses in the area surrounding Main Street, where immigrants live and work and many businesses are Hispanic owned, locked their doors.

“You can see it is affecting a lot of business in the area — most of them are closed,” said Rene Hernandez, who runs Taco Rico, a Salvadoran restaurant near the Pilgrim’s Pride plant.

Juan Hernandez, owner of Centro Azteca, a business on Main Street that offers services such as money transfers and translation assistance, said workers would lay low.

“Nobody will come to work tonight,” he said.

Others said the fear in the immigrant community was palpable after the arrests.

“Everyone’s just really scared,” said Stacy Johnson, board chairman for the referral center La Paz de Dios. “They don’t know what’s going on.”

Reacting to that fear, many businesses locked their doors in the Main Street area.

People called Latin American Consulting Co. all day Wednesday to get lawyer referrals and leave information so Mr. Lopez said he kept a running list of workers’ false names, real names, children and emergency phone numbers.

Phone lines also buzzed all day Wednesday at WDAL-AM, a Spanish-language radio station in Dalton, Ga. Deejays provided details about the federal raid and gave frequent updates on what was happening. Listeners called in with questions, worried about friends and families and wanting information, said David Hernandez, the station’s program director.

Until this morning, all rumors about an immigration raid pointed to Dalton, Ga., where 200 Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are being trained, he said

“We were not sure what they were doing here until today when we found out about the raid,” Mr. Hernandez said.

As the day wore on, some members of the Main Street community worried about the mothers, fathers and children affected by the raid.

“They are separating families,” said Felipe Ayala, a clerk at Carnicerias Loa, a Hispanic grocery and meat store. “The government tries to help people with education, but a kid who doesn’t have parents won’t be well educated. He’ll be a future gang member.”

Mrs. Lopez said she sees both sides of the issue.

“I know that it is a difficult decision that the government has to do to put in place a good (immigration) program,” she said. “On the other hand, there are so many that are coming that we need them to stop.”

Mrs. Lopez said she often encounters immigrants with false documents.

“They pay for these papers,” she said. “In their hearts, they really think that it’s OK because they bought it.”

Sophia Martín, owner of Signs by Sophie on Main Street, was angered by the arrests, seeing only hard-working people being treated unfairly.

“Why don’t they go after the people that are committing crimes? After the ones who steal? After the ones who assault?” she said in Spanish.

The Hispanic community has come together to ensure that children whose parents are arrested are safe, even if it means feeding many new mouths on an already tight budget, said Mike Feely, executive director of the St. Andrew’s Center, a resource for Chattanooga’s multi-cultural communities.

“The positive thing we’ve seen out of this — if you can call it that — is that you really see people watching after each other,” he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigration; pilgrimspride
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1 posted on 04/17/2008 7:27:32 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Tough sh*t. Now do that all over America, build the fence and let us get about our normal lives again.


2 posted on 04/17/2008 7:33:37 PM PDT by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I hope they are all so afraid that they go back to their countries.


3 posted on 04/17/2008 7:33:50 PM PDT by sheana
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To: kiriath_jearim

“Sophia Martín, owner of Signs by Sophie on Main Street, was angered by the arrests, seeing only hard-working people being treated unfairly.

“Why don’t they go after the people that are committing crimes? After the ones who steal? After the ones who assault?” she said in Spanish.

... Illegals steal from the American taxpayer every single day.. and thats AFTER they committed the criminal act of sneaking into our country. This lady should be deported simply on the basis of stupidity.


4 posted on 04/17/2008 7:36:36 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: sheana

Im with the Pres and McCain on Immigration.
This is a loser for the conservatives.


5 posted on 04/17/2008 7:39:44 PM PDT by Selmore (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Such a shame. Now they might have to hire actual citizens and pay better wages.


6 posted on 04/17/2008 7:40:36 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Why don’t they go after the people that are committing crimes?

Like illegally entering the country? Committing identity fraud? Tax evasion?

7 posted on 04/17/2008 7:40:43 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (This is an Obama-nation!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Mr. Lopez said he kept a running list of workers’ false names, real names, children and emergency phone numbers.

I believe this would be called "identity fraud"...

8 posted on 04/17/2008 7:41:40 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (This is an Obama-nation!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Chickens coming home to roost?


9 posted on 04/17/2008 7:41:49 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: kiriath_jearim

The “Hispanic community” is rocked by a raid on illegals?

So it is, a Hispanic thing then?

/racial profiling


10 posted on 04/17/2008 7:44:17 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: kiriath_jearim
Others said the fear in the immigrant community was palpable after the arrests.

That's the illegal immigrant community. Attention all illegal aliens BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID!!!
11 posted on 04/17/2008 7:47:10 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
“Why don’t they go after the people that are committing crimes?

They are going after criminals since all illegal aliens are violating immigration.
12 posted on 04/17/2008 7:49:35 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
iSophia Martín, owner of Signs by Sophie on Main Street, was angered by the arrests, seeing only hard-working people being treated unfairly

I wonder how she would feel if one of these hard working people first steals her social security number, ruins her credit and then plows drunk into her car WITH her family inside.
13 posted on 04/17/2008 7:51:47 PM PDT by steel_resolve (I stand with the Tibetans.)
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To: Selmore

Don’t really care. Illegal immigration is a loser for me. It is not all about politics.


14 posted on 04/17/2008 7:52:57 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Selmore
Im with the Pres and McCain on Immigration. This is a loser for the conservatives. you're kidding right? this is an absolute win for conservatives what, are you falling for this sob story?
15 posted on 04/17/2008 7:55:14 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: kiriath_jearim
Sophia Martín, owner of Signs by Sophie on Main Street, was angered by the arrests, seeing only hard-working people being treated unfairly.

Sophia, you are free to sell out and drive some of them back to wherever they came from.

16 posted on 04/17/2008 7:55:40 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Onelifetogive
I believe this would be called "identity fraud"...

Isn't there a law about having knowledge of a crime and not reporting it. Anyone suffering a loss from Identify thief should feel free to file against Mr. Lopez. He has admitted his part.

17 posted on 04/17/2008 7:58:32 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Selmore
This is a loser for the conservatives.

No this is a loser for the republicans that are to be soon voted out of office. And that is why insane mccain is running as a demorat lite.

18 posted on 04/17/2008 8:01:00 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Tension and fear burned through Chattanooga’s immigrant community Wednesday..."

Go back to where you belong. Then you wont have to be afraid of being taken to account for breaking our laws by entering our country illegally. Simple huh?

19 posted on 04/17/2008 8:07:21 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
“Why don’t they go after the people that are committing crimes? After the ones who steal? After the ones who assault?” she said in Spanish.>

They're going after those who are breaking the law.
Law breakers = Criminals

20 posted on 04/17/2008 8:07:58 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: Selmore

You’re not with the best of company when you reference Bush and McCain.


21 posted on 04/17/2008 8:09:53 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Sophia Martín, owner of Signs by Sophie on Main Street, was angered by the arrests, seeing only hard-working people being treated unfairly.

“Why don’t they go after the people that are committing crimes? After the ones who steal? After the ones who assault?” she said in Spanish.

"If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one what got hit." (I forget whose quote that is, but it fits well here).

Sophia is either an illegal herself, or she's a legal resident who is enabling/employing illegals.

22 posted on 04/17/2008 8:15:48 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: navyguy

Chattanooga is a nice city, and I stayed at the Read House during Navy Week last year. The employers are cheating and they are getting them from Atlanta and Nashville.


23 posted on 04/17/2008 8:23:59 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: politicalwit

Not sure about McCain but I’m with Bush 100%. I’m the last of the Mohecians. I’m a proud 27%’er.
Now back to deporting people. Ok fix the boarders and get a handle on immigration, but it’s impossible to deport 10-20 million people.
In the 30’s the U.S. deported 600,000 people. The same arguments were used then. It didn’t work worth a flip.
I’d rather toss welfare cheats and people that are a drag on society.
I ain’t gonna change any minds here so it’s useless to try.
I do think that the most Mexicans are more likely to be conservative than liberal (Church, Family, Antiabortion) UNLESS we alienate them with the “bubba” wing of the Republican party.


24 posted on 04/17/2008 8:33:48 PM PDT by Selmore (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Others said the fear in the immigrant community was palpable after the arrests.

Fear? Since Pilgrim’s Pride just lost over 100 workers, it seems like a good time for a legal immigrant worker to ask for a raise!

25 posted on 04/17/2008 8:34:37 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Selmore
"I'm with the Pres and McCain on Immigration. This is a loser for the conservatives."

A loser for "conservatives"? Conservatives of what sort? "Conservative" Mexican nationals who ignore the border?

I notice that like most apologists for this rotten policy you conveniently leave off "illegal" when the subject concerns illegal aliens rather than legal immigrants.

Bush and McCain are open border radicals with policies no different that what is pushed by race activists like La Raza. The illegal aliens you're infatuated with will be having a big march here in LA on May Day. Maybe they'll let you carry one of their Mexican flags in the big parade, and you can tell them that you're not one of the Mean Conservatives, you're one of the Compassionate ones, and that you're more than willing to reward them for breaking immigration law.

26 posted on 04/17/2008 8:41:17 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Geez. It is so much easier to just obey the laws. These people are panicking, as if we put people up against a wall and shoot them, or something else gross.

Must be the government propaganda from back home, that we gringoes are mean and vicious.

Yes, I know about the Hate Museums in Mexico!


27 posted on 04/17/2008 8:49:14 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: Selmore
Im with the Pres and McCain on Immigration. This is a loser for the conservatives.

So is believing that illegals are going to break less than 90% for the liberal Democrats.

In these days of razor thin election margins, importing 20 million new Dem voters is Republican suicide.

28 posted on 04/17/2008 8:52:01 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Selmore

Don’t have to deport any except criminals.

Just make it impossible for people without the right credentials to get a job, housing, or medical care. NO FREEBIES!!

They will go back home. Hell, the Mexican economy is growing much faster than our, and workers from Guatemala and Honduras are being enticed into temp jobs in southern Mexican states, for Gods sake!


29 posted on 04/17/2008 8:52:30 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: navyguy
“Why don’t they go after the people that are committing crimes? After the ones who steal? After the ones who assault?” she said in Spanish. (My emphasis)

Not "broken English" mind you - they are making no attempt to learn. That tells me they don't want to become Americans, just live like them.

30 posted on 04/17/2008 8:57:54 PM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Selmore
Fine, go to a non-conservative website where you and your ideas are more popular.

They're certainly not desired around FR. We believe that if Americans must follow the law, why in the world should illegal aliens come here and ignore and defy our laws -- worse yet, get by with it and be favored by our own government?

This crap will not continue forever, my friend but don't try to peddle your "open borders" tripe here.

Have a nice day!

31 posted on 04/17/2008 9:00:59 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Oh the horror!


32 posted on 04/17/2008 9:07:05 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Selmore
Damm son, you've been here about 6 months and already insulting about 90% of the membership. Maybe you just walked into the wrong house.
33 posted on 04/17/2008 11:43:38 PM PDT by Peacekeeper357 ("I can no more disown him, than I can disown the black community." Obama)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Adios! Throw the owner in jail too.


34 posted on 04/18/2008 12:10:14 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: Selmore; sheana; hercuroc; org.whodat; politicalwit; Pelham; RJL; SatinDoll; zerosix; ...

OK Selmore, lets you and I make an arrangement...

I want you to send me your exact home address. Here’s why...

I want to implement the Bush/McCain policy at your level. Not nationwide... just at your level... Once I have your home address I will show up at your home at a time you’re are not informed of (could be 3:00 AM) and break into your home. Once inside I will basically setup a small camp in the living room. I will then search your house for a social security number. Once I find one (maybe yours) I will go to my friends and purchase false documents with this social security number. Once I’ve done that I will start working, but I will return, each day, to my camp in your living room. I will demand that you share all household resources with me (food, water, money, etc...). I will only speak to you in Spanish and I will make all of my demands in Spanish. If you do not comply I will call La Raza and file a civil rights lawsuit accusing you of racism, violation of my civil rights and human rights violations. I will organize a march by people in the same situation as me... we will picket your house (even though I live there) and go on TV and call you a racist. Remember... WE are the victims, NOT YOU. After the march I’ll be back in your living room. I’ll have the ACLU on board in no time.

Pffffft... What... ? You don’t like this idea? Oh... I get it... It’s Ok if people break into our country.... JUST NOT ***YOUR PART*** OF THE COUNTRY. Is that right, Selmore? As long as I’m not breaking into ***YOUR*** house its OK, right? As long as I break into the ‘national house’ then it’s OK. Is that right?

You have some splaining to do...


35 posted on 04/18/2008 1:00:45 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: Charles Martel

Yup, and Sophia doesn’t have a clue as to the RICO statues. The plant manager should be arrested too and if more than 5 workers are illegal, he needs to do at least 6 months in the county jail.


36 posted on 04/18/2008 2:53:52 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Selmore
Simple means to deport the illegals. No jobs whatsoever, punish business owners for hiring illegals, and no government handouts....Period. Many will then self deport.
37 posted on 04/18/2008 2:56:45 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Selmore

Yep. You would think they would realize that by now since John McCain is our nominee.


38 posted on 04/18/2008 12:13:46 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Hispanic” is not a racial classification. It is interesting you would try to make it into one, however.


39 posted on 04/18/2008 12:16:53 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: RSmithOpt
A more realistic solution would be to allow all family members of illegal immigrants to stay if one member of their family agrees to serve in the military.

John McCain is planning on vastly increasing the size of our military and since not enough native born Americans are willing to serve their country, illegal immigrants should be given an incentive to do so.
40 posted on 04/18/2008 12:28:52 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Selmore

Boy you walked into it...

I’m vaguely with the deport ‘em all crowd, but I’m willing to negotiate after the borders are secure. At a minimum, anybody who committed a crime, misdemeanor or felony (beyond their presence here), returned after being deported, has membership in gang, etc., should be deported.


41 posted on 04/18/2008 12:36:00 PM PDT by Little Ray (McCain, Obama, and Hillary: I HATE THEM ALL.)
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To: Selmore
I do think that the most Mexicans are more likely to be conservative than liberal (Church, Family, Antiabortion) UNLESS we alienate them with the “bubba” wing of the Republican party.

You mean those of us with morals and stand on the principles of what is right or wrong? I don't think your liberal ways are going to be well viewed on this site.
42 posted on 04/18/2008 12:37:28 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: Antonio C
I disagree completely.

If one breaks the law, they break the law and coming here unscreened depending upon taxpayers for free medical, WIC, and education is wrong.

The problem isn't the people as a whole, it's not having them screened for TB, etc, not being immunized, and the criminal element.

Besides how many other countries have such lax open border policies. Britain and Europe are already reeling from the consequences and it's draining their economies.

43 posted on 04/18/2008 1:25:15 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: TexasGunLover

Don’t quote our President on your byline if you don’t support him.
He has enough work fighting the liberals on every single issue, now he has the immigration fight on both sides too.
I suppose Ronald Reagan was wrong too.
My position IS the conservative position.
I do have morals and stand on principles of what is right and wrong. You think it’s right to randomly round up people? No warrant? Just a random drop by arrest-a-thon? What if I forgot my drivers license and was hauled off and deported?
Maybe someday they will decide to come for you.
This my position for the bubba wing knuckle draggers:
1. close the boarders 2. deport the criminals 3. make the others pay a fine and get in back of the line.
Besides, since when did states WANT the feds in their state. That don’t seem too conservative to me, I like state rights.


44 posted on 04/18/2008 4:47:08 PM PDT by Selmore (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.)
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To: Selmore

BTW I’m not really a fan of the government action in Tejas. A “girl” makes an anonymous call to the police and all hell breaks loose. I’m glad no one was hurt.
You expect a bunch of keystone cops to be able to pull this off? Not all cops are bad, but it only takes a few.
Many have more faith government solving problems than I do.
Let me know how it works out.


45 posted on 04/18/2008 5:48:27 PM PDT by Selmore
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To: Selmore
What a joke, you don't even know the meaning of conservative or how to correctly classify a criminal.

People in the country illegally are by the very definition of the word, criminals. So in your points you then obviously support this action and contradict your previous statements.

You know as well as I do, forgetting your drivers license would never result in a legal American citizen being deported. Extending arguments beyond logic just solidifies your liberal stance, just as Bush has adopted a liberal position on the illegal immigration. Just remember, all illegals are criminals, without exception and this point, by the very definition can not be argued.

Bush is beyond reproach in the WOT, however, he has failed miserably by not securing our borders and not deporting criminals (people in the country illegally).

I think you'll find the crowd over at DU much more accepting of your views than the "knuckle draggers" here... Just remember, the "knuckle draggers" aka Angry White Men, win in the end game.
46 posted on 04/18/2008 6:54:19 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: TexasGunLover

All I know is whenever I took those Presidential test online I always scored for Huckabee. Thats pretty conservative.
The President is the decider and I support him.


47 posted on 04/18/2008 7:11:32 PM PDT by Selmore
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To: Selmore
All I know is whenever I took those Presidential test online I always scored for Huckabee.

LOL... good one. Huckabee is conservative compared to Hillary and McCain. But is by no means a conservative.

Huckabee was a big spender and taxer as a governor. He is anti business and has attacked CEO's and big business. He only believes in deporting criminals that commit crimes other than illegally invading the country. Fred Thompson also did not consider him a conservative.
48 posted on 04/19/2008 5:32:04 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: kiriath_jearim; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...

Separated Families Ping!


49 posted on 04/19/2008 10:35:20 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: manic4organic

They need to be educated about the LINE and LEGAL way to become a citizen. Texas is almost tipped over to Mexico right now and if we didn’t have oil and ag, we’d be a welfare state.

I hope the recession tightens the pockets of the fed, state and local govts. as well as the half ass jobs these folks do.


50 posted on 04/19/2008 10:46:49 AM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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