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2008 Election Prayer Thread for McCain/Conservatives: Day 1
April 20, 2008 | Vanity

Posted on 04/19/2008 10:30:29 PM PDT by topher

It is my opinion that we need to pray for our leaders this election.

Many Conservative are disappointed with the selection of Senator John S. McCain. But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values -- he has fought for campaign finance reform -- getting big money out of politics.

This should allow the little guy (or gal) more voice in what this country is doing.

In some religions, it is part of the church service to pray for the leaders of a country (Ukrainian Catholic, for example).

We must pray for our leaders and pray that the Congress that is elected in 2008 will serve our Judeo-Christian country and help restore traditional values.

We need to win back the HOUSE and SENATE.

Additionally, Senator John S. McCain may choose a Vice Presidental candidate that many conservatives will warm up to.

I have heard it once said: YOU GET WHAT YOU PRAY FOR.

Obviously, if we are not praying (and working) for the conservatives values this country needs for this election, then God will not help us.

We must be like the Old Widow who continually went to the Judge. Eventually, the Judge gave in the Old Widom because she continually asked the Judge to see her point of view.


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I have not seen this, and I think it is needed.

I welcome references from the Bible and Torah on this thread...

1 posted on 04/19/2008 10:30:30 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher

While not wanting to offend Freepers, this is a somewhat insulting idea to many other Freepers who don’t mix their religious doctrine with the dirty world of Federal politics.

I pray that McCain isn’t as much of a two bit snake oil carnival barker that he has shown himself to be over the last 12 years, that he finds God and nukes those damn Iranians, and he stops feeding the starving children of Gaza until the psychopaths in Hamas are destroyed, I pray that SCHIP isn’t expanded in the name of limited self government, and pray that hundreds of thousands of children don’t go without medical care because of it, I pray that Jon Corzine pushes through a nuclear plant in New Jersey, and pray that there aren’t any heathens like that guy from Minnesota reelected, and I pray that the Supreme Court reserves the natural born rights of men to defend themselves by any means they can carry in their two hands, I pray that the border fence is erected so all those poor people can’t invade our God given country, i pray that Mugabe and his 4000 closest associates die of starvation and torture, I pray that earmarks in the Senate don’t promote speech I object to....

Yeah, so why mix such as those two with a daily thread, it can only be bound toward lowest common denominator idiocy over the long term.


2 posted on 04/19/2008 10:39:43 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: topher
But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values -- he has fought for campaign finance reform -- getting big money out of politics.

You lost me in the first paragraph.

Either you are ignorant, mis-informed, or just plain lying.

His campaign finance reform bill, McCain-Fiengold, was about shutting down Pro-Life groups and groups like the NRA by limiting thier free-speech activities during the 60 days leading up to an election.

This was not a conservative bill, even Fred Thompson (one of the original sponsors of the bill), stated last year that the bill as enacted was a failure and needed to be repealed and replace with simple 24 hour reporting.

Don't pass off this monstrosity as something that is conservative.

And claiming that somehow McCain is a conservative is like putting lip-stick on a pig!
3 posted on 04/19/2008 10:45:37 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: topher
Furthermore,

McCain's History:

1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush's best judges from being presented for a vote)
2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life groups and Gun-rights groups)
3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
5. Total support for global warming scam, including carbo cap and trade system.
6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
7. Leaked top-secret information concerning CIA prisons in Europe
8. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.
9. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
10. C- grade from NRA.
11. 60% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
12. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money.
13. Voted against President Bush's tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
14. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.

4 posted on 04/19/2008 10:47:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: topher

Topher, sorry to see you got some hostile responses right away. I think what you’re getting at here is that we need to pray for our country, and specifically that God will intervene to help us elect moral, responsible leaders. McCain is not really the issue.

For those who believe in God, let’s recognize that blogging, writing letters, calling Congress, voting and campaigning are not enough to ensure the continued prosperity and goodness of our nation. WE NEED PRAYER.

Our country is rejecting God through abortion, the desecration of the family, and moral relativism. We need to ask God for his mercy and protection, and that the election will yield results in accordance with his Divine will.

Jesus, we trust in Thee, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
Our Lady of Guadalupe, patroness of the Americas, pray for us.
O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.


5 posted on 04/19/2008 10:53:40 PM PDT by baa39 ("God bless America" - Pope Benedict XVI, April 16, 2008)
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To: topher

I will join you in prayer, continuing to pray for our nation even as my Fathers did before me. If it was right for George Washington and George Patton to pray for this country, then it is still right to pray for our nation now...

Regardless of who is in the White House, God is still God - and we are still one nation, under God.


6 posted on 04/19/2008 10:57:58 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: topher

Some of us may smear some skunk oil under our noses and vote for the man to keep the riff raff out.

A Conservative, he’s not.


7 posted on 04/19/2008 10:58:19 PM PDT by papasmurf (Unless I post a link to resource, what I post is opinion, regardless of how I spin it.)
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To: SoConPubbie
You might want to add to your list:

* Equates the drilling of oil in Alaska with the drilling of oil in the Grand Canyon, and refuses to support it.

* Attacks CEO's for making too much money, though he doesn't seem bothered by massive wealth acquired by shareholders such as his wife.

* And he's the GOOD alternative in this election.
8 posted on 04/19/2008 11:00:50 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (There's more proof that Operation Chaos is working than there is proof that Global Warming is real.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
I was just going to say "when one comes along, I'll pray for him or her."

Thanks for making it clear.

9 posted on 04/19/2008 11:02:27 PM PDT by norton
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To: topher

God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops.


10 posted on 04/19/2008 11:12:10 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: topher

“But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values — he has fought for campaign finance reform — getting big money out of politics.
This should allow the little guy (or gal) more voice in what this country is doing”

Only someone completely ignorant or completely delusional as to what CFR really is would make that claim. McCain is a disgrace and worthy of contempt, not prayers.


11 posted on 04/19/2008 11:21:13 PM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: topher

I will go on record right now that I will fight the idea or a McCain day in prayer thread tooth and nail.

If someone wants to start a pray for the nation thread, I’m all for it.

The idolitry that has taken place on this forum over the last eight years has offended me intensely. Shrines to one person on this forum are offensive to the max.

If someone wants to start a shrine to an individual, I support them doing that on their own site, or participating on someone elses.

Christians, I have no problem with you praying for McCain at home. I encourage it. Starting a praise McCain thread here is an idea whose time crashed to the ground for the last eight years.

Never again IMO! Never!


12 posted on 04/19/2008 11:28:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It doesn't matter he isn't conservative. Now it doesn't matter if it's not Constitutional.)
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To John McCain and the rest of you RINOs... You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you can say to yourselves, “We have Ronald Reagan as the father of our movement”... The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good conservative fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.


13 posted on 04/19/2008 11:29:59 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (How many of your civil rights & liberties are you willing to sacrifice per election just to vote (R))
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To: Antonio C
God bless John McCain

Hopefully John McCain will accept of God's blessings of wisdom and come back to the right side of the aisle.

The first thing he(McCain) could do if he wants to accept God's blessing of wisdom is drop his support of the murder of unborn children by dropping his support of Embryonic Stem-Cell research.
14 posted on 04/19/2008 11:30:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: KantianBurke

I actually agree to praying for anyone. I do not agree to praying for them here.

I can’t tell you how much it grated me to see Bush make one dumb decision after another, then move down two threads to see Bush Day in Pictures or the Bush Prayer thread.

Please folks. Spare us...


15 posted on 04/19/2008 11:31:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It doesn't matter he isn't conservative. Now it doesn't matter if it's not Constitutional.)
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To: DoughtyOne

And the crowd said, “Amen!”


16 posted on 04/19/2008 11:32:27 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (How many of your civil rights & liberties are you willing to sacrifice per election just to vote (R))
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To: CounterCounterCulture

LOL... Sorry but I held that one in for the better part of eight plus years. Not no, but no fricken way in hell, HELL NO.


17 posted on 04/19/2008 11:34:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It doesn't matter he isn't conservative. Now it doesn't matter if it's not Constitutional.)
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To: topher
But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values

He has betrayed conservative values at every step of the way. He is no conservative. he is against conservatives and especially Socons, who you now ask to pray for him. I will pray for his soul, but I will pray every day (right on these threads) that the good Lord sees fit to keep this treasonous, traitorous, unprincipled, self serving jerk out of the oval office forever.

he has fought for campaign finance reform -- getting big money out of politics.

Yeah, right. McCain-Feingold serves to keep CHRISTIANS from influencing elections.

But of course, it needn't apply to McCain and his scurrilous cohorts:

FR: "New McCain Fund Gets Around Donation Limits"

So much for "This should allow the little guy (or gal) more voice in what this country is doing".

We need to pray for this country surely, and we need to pray for deliverance from all the current candidates, that God will see to it that a strong and moral man of God can be lifted up in this election.

18 posted on 04/19/2008 11:36:10 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I can’t tell you how much it grated me to see Bush make one dumb decision after another, then move down two threads to see Bush Day in Pictures or the Bush Prayer thread.

Yeah, but just think of how bad he might have screwed the pooch if we hadn't been praying for him!

19 posted on 04/19/2008 11:37:19 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: topher

Campaign Finance Reform is one of the main reasons I will never vote for McCain. It is one of the most anti-American pieces of legislation ever enacted. I consider him an enemy of this country for coming up with it.


20 posted on 04/19/2008 11:38:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: rogue yam

That’s a scary thought I ought not contemplate as I prepare to go to bed tonight. :-/


21 posted on 04/19/2008 11:40:24 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (How many of your civil rights & liberties are you willing to sacrifice per election just to vote (R))
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To: rogue yam

NO SALE

Pray for him at home. Pray for him on another forum. Gather together with friends adn family to pray for him. Pray for him at church.

Please do not set up threads to talk about his shoe laces, his ties, his latest shirt, his top third tooth on the left from dead center, his belt, the color of his suit, how great Laura looks, what his daughter have done, how sexy he is with an axe in his hands, how you’d love to give him a peck on the cheek.

S-P-A-R-E U-S-!


22 posted on 04/19/2008 11:40:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It doesn't matter he isn't conservative. Now it doesn't matter if it's not Constitutional.)
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To: topher

Sorry, the only praying I can do concerning McCain is that some sort of miracle happen and he be replaced by a candidate that represents somewhat more than about 5% of my values.


23 posted on 04/19/2008 11:45:53 PM PDT by LegendHasIt (Noone/Nohow '08)
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To: topher

Hey, topher! It’s been a long time.

I know you will be flamed, and so will I, but I agree with you to a point...

We need to pray for this country, and it’s potential leaders.

I don’t like that McCain is our nominee...I don’t like it at all.

But, he will be much better than either of the other two.

For those reading, I don’t like McCain, but I would be more comfortable with him over Hillary! or Obama.

For those who flame you, just WHO would you nominate?
And, HOW would you fund them?

Sometimes the real world isn’t pretty.
I hope those who reject the real world...end up happy.


24 posted on 04/19/2008 11:47:06 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: topher

I might be interested in joining with this, but I will need sit back and see what really takes form.


25 posted on 04/19/2008 11:48:27 PM PDT by Gator113 (Hey Democrats, "I drink your milkshake.")
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To: DoughtyOne

I’d pray for God to lift McCain’s anger and hostility, except those are the only worthwhile qualities he offers as POTUS in these times.


26 posted on 04/19/2008 11:48:33 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: DoughtyOne
"I will go on record right now that I will fight the idea or a McCain day in prayer thread tooth and nail."


So will I!

Lordy...they downright worshiped the man!

I will be behind you all of the way.

27 posted on 04/19/2008 11:50:38 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: rogue yam

GOOD point. ;o)


28 posted on 04/19/2008 11:52:26 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: txflake

Well...now...that was to the point, and LOL funny. ;o)


29 posted on 04/19/2008 11:54:33 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: dixiechick2000

When the truth is called flaming I guess we’ve got doublespeak. 1984 came a little late but here it is.


30 posted on 04/19/2008 11:56:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: TigersEye
When the truth is called flaming I guess we’ve got doublespeak. 1984 came a little late but here it is.

They seem to think that by framing the discussion in this manner it will somehow diminish the efficacy of the statements of those who might disagree with them. Like some sort of magical shield.

One of the favorite tactics of the left.
31 posted on 04/20/2008 12:03:25 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: topher

I’m in. I will pray for John McCain and for God to grant him the wisdom to lead the US wisely.


32 posted on 04/20/2008 12:03:38 AM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: topher
Many Conservative are disappointed with the selection of Senator John S. McCain. But in one sense, he is the true conservative in values -- he has fought for campaign finance reform -- getting big money out of politics.

Are you insane? McCain-Feingold was all about protecting incumbent politicians and adding draconian restrictions on free-speech and the ability of the 'little guy' to get involved in politics. Real campaign finance reform would focus on increased transparency; instead McCain pushed for a regime that was almost the exact opposite of any known conservative principle (the fact that most far-leftists supported it should have been the first giveaway).

33 posted on 04/20/2008 12:04:26 AM PDT by eclecticEel (You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.)
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To: TigersEye

I don’t think speaking the truth is flaming.

However, I believe in the reality we live in...today.

Lordy! I don’t hate anyone, or anything, but I’m beginning to hate elections.


34 posted on 04/20/2008 12:06:22 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: topher; Jim Robinson

Perhaps you’d better refresh your memory:

“John McCain, you treasonous.....”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601416/posts

Hey, Jim! Did you know McCain proved he is conservative by forging that lovely “conservative” bill, McCain-Feingold?


35 posted on 04/20/2008 12:07:08 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The truth is the truth. Before adopting the tactics of the left they ought to look around and see how the left is imploding these days.


36 posted on 04/20/2008 12:09:06 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: TigersEye

I could not agree more.


37 posted on 04/20/2008 12:11:24 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Politicalmom; Jim Robinson; TigersEye

Late nite reminders.

Thank you!

I don’t like what he’s done.

Would you recommend someone else for whom to vote?

I’m at a loss...and am very conflicted.


38 posted on 04/20/2008 12:13:58 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: Politicalmom

Which version, McCain-Feingold-Thompson or McCain-Feingold-Cochran?


39 posted on 04/20/2008 12:15:04 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: dixiechick2000

I haven’t decided who to vote for. It won’t be any of the Three Stooges.

My family can’t believe it, but I WILL NOT vote for McCain. He isn’t even a decent man. At least I had that to cling to when I reluctantly voted for Dole.


40 posted on 04/20/2008 12:15:48 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: dixiechick2000

What hath light to do with darkness?


41 posted on 04/20/2008 12:16:00 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Witty.

If that was the ONLY mark against him, and if he didn’t still strongly support it, I would gladly vote for him. As it is, NO WAY!!


42 posted on 04/20/2008 12:16:58 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: dixiechick2000; DoughtyOne

Well the reality is that McCain is a pig that doesn’t look much better in lipstick. The reality is that he’s the Republican nominee. I see that as a reflection on the Republican party not elections. Politics has long been ugly and corrupt and that is how it is. That is the reality of it. Hating it seems like a waste of energy to me. But trying to deify this thoroughly repugnant candidate seems even worse. It’s a denial of reality. I have to agree with DoughtyOne’s take on this.


43 posted on 04/20/2008 12:17:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: topher

I believe you might want two threads: one to pray for McCain and his ilk and the other for Conservatives. Otherwise, you will face a lot of contention that will disrupt things.


44 posted on 04/20/2008 12:18:28 AM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: dixiechick2000

I am sorry that you are conflicted. I am not conflicted at all. There is no one, with a chance of winning, that I can vote for. That is a disappointment to me but not a conflict. I know where I stand.


45 posted on 04/20/2008 12:20:20 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Beijing 2008. Moscow 1980 Olympic Games for murdering regimes.)
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To: SoConPubbie
You sir, are what is known today as a hater. That's ok. Every player has haters. McCain is a player, you are a hater. Let's take your hate-points McCain's History:

1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush's best judges from being presented for a vote)

Got Janice Rogers Brown and others on the bench

2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life groups and Gun-rights groups)

Unconstitional so irrelevant.

3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)

This isn't law. In addition, you are either using a loose definition of criminal or are lying.

4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)

When did this become law?

5. Total support for global warming scam, including carbo cap and trade system.

Evidence?

6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).

No longer relevant as medical technology has advanced past the need for them.

7. Leaked top-secret information concerning CIA prisons in Europe

Evidence?

8. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.

Close gitmo yes, legal system you have no evidence of that

9. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.

who?

10. C- grade from NRA.

better than clinton and obama

11. 60% score from American Conservative Union in 2006

McCain is over 85% with the gop

12. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money. 13. Voted against President Bush's tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)

supports them

14. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.

More horse feathers. You have no idea what you are talking about. McCain campaigned hard for President Bush in '04.

46 posted on 04/20/2008 12:23:33 AM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: Politicalmom

You don’t think he’s a decent man? Nor, as good as Dole?
He’s more like Dole than you think.

How old are you?

Well, I’ll relate a story to you.

My husband participated in Linebacker II.

Look it up...

I don’t like some of his policies, but don’t ever think that he’s not a war hero.


47 posted on 04/20/2008 12:26:40 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: Ingtar; topher
I believe you might want two threads: one to pray for McCain and his ilk and the other for Conservatives.

"One to pray for McCain and his ilk"

"The other for Conservatives"

48 posted on 04/20/2008 12:27:19 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

LOL!

You’re a good person. ;o)

Man...or woman?


49 posted on 04/20/2008 12:28:09 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Renegade conservative, now registered as a 'Rat, in support of Operation Chaos.)
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To: dixiechick2000

I think he’s a vile, disgusting man.

He’s not trustworthy, and he’s not honest.


50 posted on 04/20/2008 12:30:16 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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