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For Democrats, worrisome divide along class lines
The Boston Globe ^ | April 20, 2008 | Peter S. Canellos

Posted on 04/20/2008 8:03:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

PITTSBURGH - The Lawrenceville neighborhood, with its car-repair shops and convenience markets giving way to coffee houses and yoga salons, represents both sides of the upscale/downscale electoral coalition that Democrats hope will carry them to the White House in November.

But Lawrenceville, like many Democratic precincts, is increasingly divided in its politics along class lines. Last week, while 27-year-old Bronwyn Loughren, co-owner of an art gallery called La Vie, was expressing disgust over Hillary Clinton's hardball political tactics, beautician Jenny Skrinjar, 53, of the Style North Hair Salon was fuming about Barack Obama. "He looks down on people," she said.

It is a division that seems to have widened as the pri maries moved to blue-collar states such as Ohio. And it's just one of several fractures in the Democratic coalition: Obama and Clinton have split the Democrats along age and some racial lines as well.

But the class issue looms the largest in Pennsylvania, which will go to the polls on Tuesday. And party leaders - including roughly 300 undecided "superdelegates" nationwide who will probably provide the winning margin for either candidate - will be looking at more than who wins and who loses: They will look for whether either candidate can penetrate a class barrier that has seen lower-income white Democrats go for Clinton while higher-income voters generally prefer Obama.

Increasingly, the fear among Democrats is that one group or the other might opt for Republican John McCain, should their favored Democrat not get the nomination. And in places like Lawrenceville, a section of Pittsburgh, preferences have only hardened as voters have gotten to know more about the candidates.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bluecollarvote; classwarfare; election; elections; elitists; hillary; obama; pa2008; racewar
If John McCain would capitalize on this, he'd be home free.
1 posted on 04/20/2008 8:03:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree. Obama and Hillary don’t care about the people. All they care about is power. I still can’t believe that the Democrats can’t find a good American out of 300 million people in this country.


2 posted on 04/20/2008 8:14:14 AM PDT by RC2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... lower-income white Democrats go for Clinton while higher-income voters generally prefer Obama.

Translation: OsamaObama gets more "white guilt" votes.

3 posted on 04/20/2008 8:14:18 AM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" White Guy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Hillary had found Reverend Wright early in the primaries it would have been smooth sailing for her. As it turns out McCain will be the beneficiary.

God works in mysterious ways.

4 posted on 04/20/2008 8:15:19 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: LiberConservative

He gets the white guilt votes now. It could be different in November.


5 posted on 04/20/2008 8:16:12 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: RC2

I still can’t believe that the Democrats can’t find a good American out of 300 million people in this country.
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There are no GOOD AMERICANS amongst radical liberal socialists. They want to redesign America, burn the Constitution, and turn it into a one-party socialist state with them (the goverment) in power and control of EVERYTHING.


6 posted on 04/20/2008 8:16:12 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

“There are no GOOD AMERICANS amongst radical liberal socialists. They want to redesign America, burn the Constitution, and turn it into a one-party socialist state with them (the goverment) in power and control of EVERYTHING.”

I agree with you. They are DOMESTIC ENEMIES of the Republic who MUST BE DESTROYED.


7 posted on 04/20/2008 8:26:27 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The problem with Mcshamesty is I, as a lifelong conservative, will NEVER vote for him. He bashes my beliefs like I am an idiot, than so be it. Other than the Iraq war, he and Obarama are the same. My vote will be for a right to life or a libertarian candidate.
8 posted on 04/20/2008 8:35:08 AM PDT by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy

McCain is a prolife candidate. Where do you get your information...from the NY Slimes? Go directly to McCain’s website and look it up for yourself.


9 posted on 04/20/2008 8:39:52 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: bronxboy
My vote will be for a right to life or a libertarian candidate.

I hope you enjoy the new socialist masters this strategy will bring you.

I am no fan of McCain, but I recognize how easily an Obama or Clinton Supreme Court could steal the freedoms I still have.

10 posted on 04/20/2008 8:41:56 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: LiberConservative

Exactly. There’s a whole lot of white guilt going on here. And bowing to the gods of the multi-cultis. Heaven knows why a bunch of hedonists seem to find great awe and respect for Buddhism, for instance, and its insistence that the essence of life is suffering, and yet attack Christianity. But back to the issue of race....

Further, when the white, entrenched, well-connected Yale lawyer becomes the champion of the lower class and the inexperienced upstart black man from Indonesia becomes the Messiah of the “elites,” it’s time to bury the hatchet on racial griping.

How completely backwards is all of this nonsense from what the media reports about race?


11 posted on 04/20/2008 8:47:00 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>a class barrier that has seen lower-income white Democrats go for Clinton while higher-income voters generally prefer Obama.

The real question here for America is why this is so.
I have theories, and none of them portend good things for the conservative positions.

>If John McCain would capitalize on this, he'd be home free.

Please. If McCain actually read that, he would denounce you in a millisecond.

12 posted on 04/20/2008 8:54:15 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: CurlyDave
Curly Dave, McCain Voted YES to appoint this to the Suprem Court.

stop using the SCOTUS fearmongering. - his record isn't great.

13 posted on 04/20/2008 8:56:36 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: CurlyDave

You are right. I figure Mcshamesty is going to attempt to get the same legislation as Obarama will, let the dummocrat take the blame. Than maybe we can get a true conservative elected.


14 posted on 04/20/2008 9:03:51 AM PDT by bronxboy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Increasingly, the fear among Democrats is that one group or the other might opt for Republican John McCain, should their favored Democrat not get the nomination. And in places like Lawrenceville, a section of Pittsburgh, preferences have only hardened as voters have gotten to know more about the candidates.

The Clinton democrats will break for McCain making for some interesting switches in states.

15 posted on 04/20/2008 9:04:08 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: America is the greatest country on the earth, Help me bring change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But Lawrenceville, like many Democratic precincts, is increasingly divided in its politics along class lines. Last week, while 27-year-old Bronwyn Loughren, co-owner of an art gallery called La Vie, was expressing disgust over Hillary Clinton's hardball political tactics, beautician Jenny Skrinjar, 53, of the Style North Hair Salon was fuming about Barack Obama. "He looks down on people," she said.

Could a reporter have found two names, occupations or ages which better symbolized the schism in liberal politics?

The contest has pitted Bronwyn's seriously superficial vs Jenny's absolute reality...

16 posted on 04/20/2008 9:16:47 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: bill1952
McCain Voted YES to appoint this to the Suprem Court.

There is a big difference between going along with the inevitable, and choosing your own nominee.

17 posted on 04/20/2008 9:17:53 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave; All
>There is a big difference between going along with the inevitable, and choosing your own nominee.

Same outcome, but with his vote on record as supporting the most leftist, liberal, ACLU member ever.

Face it, that sucks. - So does this:


Former Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Joe Lieberman says he might speak at the Republican National Convention that will assuredly nominate John McCain for the White House.

The senator from Connecticut told The Hill.com that he is willing to deliver an address at the September convention if McCain asks him to, and a Lieberman aide said that is a likely possibility.

Asked if there are pros and cons to McCain inviting Lieberman to speak, Newsweek's senior White House correspondent Howard Fineman told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC’s “Countdown”:

“I don't think there are that many cons for McCain. Probably if he had a big choice to make, it would be for somebody who could help him more in the Bible Belt, perhaps, but Lieberman can help him there too.

So, I think it's something he'll probably end up doing.
I think it will infuriate the Democrats, but I don't think it will help McCain all that much.”

http://news.newsmax.com/?Z6CRXHfF2bie5g29F7WeB3QKkXbktJR1Z

Just as Obama is, McCain is known by his voting record and the company that he keeps.
Thank you for your post. - bill

18 posted on 04/20/2008 9:41:27 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Democrats are all about division. That's what they do. That's how they appeal to people, not as freedom-loving Americans, but as workers against bosses, blacks against whites, women against men, etc., etc., etc. The only difference this time around is that their own primary has lasted so long that they've divided among themselves, instead of against the evil, rich, corporate, racist, bigoted, theocratic Repugnicans.

It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

19 posted on 04/20/2008 9:43:27 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“If John McCain would capitalize on this, he’d be home free.”

Yeah, but he’ll apologize to them, point out that they are both terrific candidates, and offer to campaign for them in the fall.

Old John has about as much fire in his belly as Bob Dole did.


20 posted on 04/20/2008 9:47:29 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: CurlyDave
"I hope you enjoy the new socialist masters this strategy will bring you."

How different is McCain? McCain's amnesty plan alone would radically change the country. McCain's support for Global Warming baloney would radically change the country towards total socialism.

It is impossible to argue for McCain that the others are socialist. He is too. One can make the case that it would be better to have the Democrats elect the socialist, then at least the Republican Party would be unified in opposition, if only for partisan reasons. Getting McCain the socialist elected President and as a faux conservative at that, will split the Republican Party and increase the chances that socialist legislation would be passed.

I haven't decided yet, how I'm going to vote. I've vote Libertarian in the past and I could do so again.

21 posted on 04/20/2008 9:51:09 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: RC2
I still can’t believe that the Democrats can’t find a good American out of 300 million people in this country

The problem is that they don't want a "good American". They want a good Marxist who hates the American way of life. If I were a Democrat, I'd have been looking at Evan Bayh. He's definitely a liberal but I don't think that he's a leftist.

22 posted on 04/20/2008 9:53:07 AM PDT by Eva (CHANGE - the new euphemism for Marxist revolution)
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To: LiberConservative
... lower-income white Democrats go for Clinton while higher-income voters generally prefer Obama.

Translation: OsamaObama gets more "white guilt" votes.

That is precisely correct.
Additionally, higher-income Democrats tend to be true liberals, ie., mentally defective.

23 posted on 04/20/2008 9:54:25 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bill1952

I don’t see anything new here.

The fact is, the Democrats have failed to win a majority of the white middle class vote since 1964. That’s right—1964. Clinton didn’t get a majority of the middle class white vote, neither did Carter. In fact, the Dems fail to get the majority of the white vote at all in most states and haven’t had a majority of the entire white vote in national elections since the 1970s.

The Democratic party has been the de facto black party in the US for decades precisely because the party leaders have done their math and believe that if they can bring out the black vote in the east, with machine politics like that in Philly, they will win. And they are right. Weather in Chicago, Philly, Detroit, etc. is a bigger factor in elections than any other; the dems depend entirely on their machine politics in big cities to bring out the vote. Bad weather, less black attendance—it is demonstrable fact.

That’s why the Reps have got to do something about bringing black and hispanic voters into the tent. Black population is increasing much faster than white and so long as the Dems are registering black voters at birth (practically), Reps will eventually be unable to win an election unless we bring black voters back to the party they had supported for sixty years and bring in socially-conservative hispanic voters.

Every US election for 40 years breaks down along racial lines. Upper class whites have been voting democrat for decades. The myth of rich republicans is just that—a myth. Leftist radicals have come from the white upper class for over an hundred years. The dem leaders are backing Obama not because they think he’s the best thing since sliced bread, but because his presence is expected to bring out the black vote in droves, which will drive home an electoral victory by winning the elector-heavy, urbanized states. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Their problem now is that Obama is turning out to be so incredibly leftist, he will drive away the 15-20% of white union workers they can usually depend on. Hillary knows this, they know it; hell—Obama knows this. That’s why Hil would be a fool to drop out now because she still has a good chance to swing the superdelegates her way.


24 posted on 04/20/2008 10:04:41 AM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: Luke21
....Old John has about as much fire in his belly as Bob Dole did....

But McCain has a far worse temper.

25 posted on 04/20/2008 10:31:20 AM PDT by GunsareOK
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To: Jabba the Nutt

“Getting McCain the socialist elected President and as a faux conservative at that, will split the Republican Party and increase the chances that socialist legislation would be passed”

The only thing going here is that McCain might actually nominate a conservative VP candidate. If you have a Mark Sanford, a Fred Thompson, a Mitt Romney on the ticket, you have the promise of 1) a conservative voice in his ear 2) a hope for a one-term McCain Presidency and a strong path to the White House for the VP.

If he nominates some piece of garbage RINO who doesn’t even play lip service to the conservative base, any motivation to vote for the loser goes out the window.

Should Obama win the Dem nomination, I might vote for McCain just out of the sheer fact that I have a very low tolerance for shallow, fake boobs like Barack.


26 posted on 04/20/2008 11:07:01 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Ilya Mourometz

>Every US election for 40 years breaks down along racial lines. Upper class whites have been voting democrat for decades. The myth of rich republicans is just that—a myth. Leftist radicals have come from the white upper class for over an hundred years.<

The existence of this myth has frustrated me for some time. And why the reality exists is even a greater mystery to me. Perhaps some form of class-inflicted guilt, but that’s about all I can make of it.


27 posted on 04/20/2008 11:09:40 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: perez24

“white guilt “

I’ll never understand why any white person w/ an IQ over 50 could be made to feel guilt for something that he despises and had no part in doing.

Indoctrination works...be careful where you send your kids to school.


28 posted on 04/20/2008 11:44:59 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: Ilya Mourometz

Good points. Thanks - Bill

Does your handle refer to the compatriot of Vlad, or Glière’s 3rd symphony?
Or that odd bomber of that name?
I know the aircraft because I worked at Sikorsky for a bit.


29 posted on 04/20/2008 12:26:51 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s what happens when you’re a political movement that lives and dies by class, race and gender envy and warfare.

I hear incoming chickens at DNC HQ.


30 posted on 04/20/2008 2:34:10 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: CurlyDave

I’m with you. I’ve voted third party but not this time. Can’t risk turning over the nation to a bunch of socialists/marxists.

Used to think that was overstatement but now I now it’s not. Just listen to Obama get twisted in knots trying to explain why raising taxes on capital although detrimental to revenues is a good thing.

It’s flat out socialist fiat.


31 posted on 04/20/2008 3:27:50 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: bill1952

Vlad’s pal and Gliere’s 3rd.


32 posted on 04/20/2008 5:46:59 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: LiberConservative
Yep, And Clinton gets more of the standard Democrat....

Clueless and been asleep at the switch for the last 20 years.

33 posted on 04/20/2008 6:14:08 PM PDT by HP8753 (Live Free!!!! .............or don't.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

McCAin campaign slogan: “He’s a bigger boob than I am.”


34 posted on 04/21/2008 4:01:13 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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