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1 posted on 04/20/2008 11:54:39 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

XM8


2 posted on 04/20/2008 11:59:30 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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They also tested the XM8 in 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel.

Incredible!

The 6.5 Grendel, (on the 5.56 case form factor!) has better down range ballistics than the 7.62 NATO!

3 posted on 04/20/2008 11:59:43 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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The XM8 would have been like handing an anvil to a soldier. Have never touched or seen the other two “competitors”.


4 posted on 04/20/2008 12:00:19 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
5 posted on 04/20/2008 12:00:49 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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ping


6 posted on 04/20/2008 12:01:15 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I always rely on God and Guns in that order)
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8 posted on 04/20/2008 12:03:15 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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Alexander Arms also put the .50 Beowulf through the same weapon. It drops off at more than 250 meters, but up close, it can take down The Incredible Hulk!

(PS, when referring to Incredible Hulk, I do NOT mean Dona Schalela on top of Janet Reno.)

9 posted on 04/20/2008 12:03:15 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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"Bullets that didn't feed through the rifles properly or became lodged in the firing chamber were the biggest problems."

"biggest problem"!

That's more than a "problem" -- that's a freaking death blow to the poor grunts relying upon the failed weapon.

11 posted on 04/20/2008 12:06:44 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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FN SCAR HK-416
M-4


12 posted on 04/20/2008 12:08:17 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Yes, yes, buy a new gun, got it.

No-

The M8, based on the AR18 is similar in operation to an M16 and provides nothing new other than a design that doesn't blow the carbon into bolt, giving a marginal advantage for the user. The rest is all show. Once someone can come up with something that brings a “significant” advantage to the table then we can start talking. Until then, the M4/16 is fine, and in fact it's still among the best standard issue weapons any Army carries.

Any weapon, new or old, can be made to fail under the right conditions. Most of these “tests” are intended to give predetermined outcomes. The DoD engages in this consistently when they try to justify new purchases.

15 posted on 04/20/2008 12:13:44 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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Colt executives can't account for the M4's poor showing. And they hinted that the M4s sent from Colt's plant in Hartford may have been mishandled after being delivered to the lab.

"There's no way they left the factory like that," says Phillip Hinckley, Colt's executive director of quality and engineering. "It does leave a major question mark in your head."

The M4s malfunctioned 882 times. The article doesn't say how many malfunctions the other weapons suffered.

Hinckley is making excuses for the poor quality he is palming off on the military. Maybe if he blames someone else he can keep his job.

I hate to say this but American Made doesn't always say quality anymore.

18 posted on 04/20/2008 12:20:50 PM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH either)
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Jesu Cristo! WTF? Why didn’t the fools include Klashnikov’s 7.62x39 Model of Nineteen-fricking-Forty-Seven in the test!?!? The 882 stops for the M4 pro’ly woulda been 88.2 stops for the 60-year-old-design AK!


19 posted on 04/20/2008 12:22:51 PM PDT by flowerplough (I suck at Photoshop)
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Tens of thousands of rounds were fired through the rifles. The M4s malfunctioned 882 times.

882 times out of "tens of thousands" may not sound like much but it sure matters to the 882 men whose rifles malfunctioned. Not good.

20 posted on 04/20/2008 12:23:12 PM PDT by hsalaw
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Look, just make the fit and finish on the M4 as lousy as you possibly can so that all the parts kind of flap and rattle about as you’re marching along. Then the gun will quickly and naturally slough off any gravel that gets wedged into its inner spaces and you can keep firing the damned thing all day long, through thick and thin... ‘Course, you couldn’t hit anything with it, sort of like the AK-47, but you’d have a legend on your hands.


26 posted on 04/20/2008 12:48:44 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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NOT ONE OF YOU HAS NOTCIED OR IDENTIFIED THE ONE BASIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL THE WEAPONS TESTED AND THE M4.

The M4 is NOT a gas/piston operated system. The rest are.

As with all military testing, the results have been pre-determined. Example: The original AR-15 Aberdeen tests against the M14, where the AR's were literally destroyed before a shot was fired, and they failed miserably because of it>

When the military wants something new, or more cash, they can create that illusion.

Now, the M16/M4 system is reliable within it's parameters af keeping it clean. This report has none of the real details, number of rounds between cleanings, ammunition, temperature, etc.

And why use some convuluted 'simulated' dist, instead of the real thing?

This does not pass the smell test.

27 posted on 04/20/2008 12:49:17 PM PDT by Pistolshot (When you let what you are define who you are, you create racial divisiveness.)
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I want one so that if a liberal sees me with one he will wet his pants.


39 posted on 04/20/2008 1:20:41 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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http://elementsofpower.blogspot.com/2008/01/extreme-dust-test-m4-and-others.html

This guy took the powerpoint briefing of this exercise and did an analysis. Many of the slides are included.


44 posted on 04/20/2008 1:26:04 PM PDT by james500
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ping


52 posted on 04/20/2008 1:53:54 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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Colt executives can't account for the M4's poor showing. And they hinted that the M4s sent from Colt's plant in Hartford may have been mishandled after being delivered to the lab.

Yea, blame someone else. It was a crappy design from the beginning and should have never been adopted. With the dirty gases blowing directly into the bolt and firing mechanism, it is a recipe for a jam.

66 posted on 04/20/2008 7:04:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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If it was up to me, I would’ve licensed H&K’s I think it’s the gas piston system? Give them a huge contract to manufacture the uppers in very large quantities.


71 posted on 04/20/2008 9:29:46 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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