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Hamas Offers Israel 10-Year Truce in Exchange for Border Reform
Trans World News ^ | 4/21/2008 | Staff

Posted on 04/21/2008 11:16:05 AM PDT by forkinsocket

Khaled Mashaal, the leader of Palestinian militant group Hamas, has said their organization would be willing to offer Israel a 10-year truce if Israel were to remove itself from the lands it seized during the 1967 Middle East War.

Mashaal has said he made the offer on Saturday while speaking with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter and while the Hamas leader hinted that a Palestinian state would be limited to the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem there was no outright declaration that they would recognize Israel.

During Carter’s talk with Mashaal the Hamas leader said his organization would not look to block a peace deal between Palestinian President Moahmoud Abbas and Israel so long as Palestinians favored the deal.

Israel has not responded to Mashaal and view Hamas as the United States does, a terrorist organization. Israel has recognized that a Palestinian state should exist they have never expressed a willingness to return to the borders created prior to 1967.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; hudna; israel; truce
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1 posted on 04/21/2008 11:16:06 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

“Border Reform”?????? That’s rich.


2 posted on 04/21/2008 11:17:50 AM PDT by craig_eddy (Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome)
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To: forkinsocket

tiqya


3 posted on 04/21/2008 11:18:38 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Guess what happens in 11 years?!


4 posted on 04/21/2008 11:19:40 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: forkinsocket

That’s sounds like a deal. NOT


5 posted on 04/21/2008 11:19:45 AM PDT by sappy
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To: forkinsocket

Ten year truce? Border “reform”? These jihadist ass-clowns are almost funny!


6 posted on 04/21/2008 11:20:04 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: forkinsocket

Hudna.


7 posted on 04/21/2008 11:20:35 AM PDT by pgyanke ("Huntered"--The act of being ignored by media and party to prevent name recognition)
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To: forkinsocket

“Israel has recognized that a Palestinian state should exist they have never expressed a willingness to return to the borders created prior to 1967.”

Nor should they.


8 posted on 04/21/2008 11:20:53 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Slapshot68

Why would you make a deal with a bunch of proven murderers and liars?


9 posted on 04/21/2008 11:21:39 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: forkinsocket

LOL. grrrreeeat deal.


10 posted on 04/21/2008 11:22:10 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: forkinsocket

Didn’t Muhammed offer a similar 10-year “Hudna” while he prepared to destroy the rival tribes?

Even if Hamas pretended to offer a real peace treaty and not this bogus “10 year” pause the Islamo-jihad scumbags cannot be trusted.

Jimmy Peanut is a dangerous nutjob.


11 posted on 04/21/2008 11:22:16 AM PDT by Enchante (Obama: All you dumb, bitter "typical white people" must learn to say "God D--n America!")
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To: forkinsocket
I wish one of our resident FR photoshopping experts would superimpose Carter's head on the Neville Chamberlain photo where he holds up a copy of the agreement signed with Hitler.

Carter has to be this generation's Neville Chamberlain.

12 posted on 04/21/2008 11:22:44 AM PDT by OB1kNOb ("We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election." - Ahmed Yousef, Hamas PM advisor)
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To: princess leah

“Why would you make a deal with a bunch of proven murderers and liars?”

Yup, and in one large respect, they’ve been very honest about their real goal of destroying Israel.


13 posted on 04/21/2008 11:23:17 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: forkinsocket

How can we tell if the Muzzies are lying?

Don’t need to.


14 posted on 04/21/2008 11:24:24 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: princess leah

Hamas is straight-up Islaamist, push-Israel-into-the-sea. They’ve always been honest about that.


15 posted on 04/21/2008 11:24:46 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: craig_eddy

Jimmuh Carter’s Peace Plan. Extra crispy, please. BTW, did I mention that Jimmy is a liberal/Marxist/Democrat?


16 posted on 04/21/2008 11:24:52 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: OB1kNOb
Oh Jimmah, Jimmah.... Peace in our time.

17 posted on 04/21/2008 11:25:04 AM PDT by shineon
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To: forkinsocket

I’m not sure what is more entertaining: the hubris of this demand or the cravenness of Carter.


18 posted on 04/21/2008 11:25:38 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: forkinsocket

Wow, what a deal!

Israel gives up a bunch of land PERMANENTLY and Hamas “promises” to not blow up Israeli citizens for 10 years, a promise they can’t keep, a promise they don’t want to keep, and a promise that doesn’t mean anything even if they could keep it, since the land is forever and 10 years is only 10 years.


19 posted on 04/21/2008 11:25:45 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: forkinsocket

My counteroffer for Hamas would be they would get one more day to consume oxygen for every day they stopped their attacks.


20 posted on 04/21/2008 11:28:46 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: forkinsocket

This is rich, Israel has been trying to get the ragheads to form a government to turn these crapholes over to since ‘67 and they can’t come up with one.


21 posted on 04/21/2008 11:29:28 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: Enchante
Didn’t Muhammed offer a similar 10-year “Hudna” while he prepared to destroy the rival tribes?

And then broke the truce after a few years, as soon as he felt he could win. Truces with Hamas are worthless, and always seem to follow the pattern "we'll promise peace in exchange for X, and as soon as we have X then we'll violate all our promises"

22 posted on 04/21/2008 11:29:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: OB1kNOb
Carter has to be this generation's Neville Chamberlain.

You insult the honorable PM Chamberlain. He eventually learned and declared war on Hitler, less than one year after holding up that paper.

Carter still doesn't get it.

23 posted on 04/21/2008 11:31:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: forkinsocket

Somebody’s got to step up and be a great politician and get things straightened out between Israel and Palestine. It may take a man of the greatness of Gandhi, representing the Palestinians, to pull it off. But something’s got to give. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict generates more ill will amongst the Muslims than anything else. Until it’s resolved, there will be no end to suicide bombers targeting Israel, Europe and America.


24 posted on 04/21/2008 11:32:30 AM PDT by onguard
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To: forkinsocket

“”According to Umdat as-Salik, a medieval summary of Shafi’i jurisprudence, hudnas with a non-Muslim enemy should be limited to 10 years: “if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud” (’Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).””

Mohammad also broke that truce after 2 years.

Carter is an ass, no question about it.


25 posted on 04/21/2008 11:32:43 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Vigilanteman
the honorable PM Chamberlain.

(snicker!) ;-)

26 posted on 04/21/2008 11:36:40 AM PDT by OB1kNOb ("We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election." - Ahmed Yousef, Hamas PM advisor)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Hamas” might agree to no more attacks for ten years, but what about all the splinter groups supported and encouraged by Hamas? Israel would be insane to agree to this. Unfortunately, that pretty much describes much of their present leadership.


27 posted on 04/21/2008 11:36:42 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (<----- Typical White Person)
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To: forkinsocket

BAD DEAL


28 posted on 04/21/2008 11:38:05 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: forkinsocket

Someone has confused days with years.

Any truce will be broken in days, and we know who will break it.

Any respite will be used to re-arm.

Rockets will fly before the ink is dry.


29 posted on 04/21/2008 11:38:30 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Abathar

Someone needs to start engraving ol’ Jimmah’s name on the Nobel Peace Prize. They love to award it to morons and traitors.


30 posted on 04/21/2008 11:38:53 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: forkinsocket

A- You can’t trust anything a Muslim says in negotiations because they have the moral leeway to lie if it serves their interest.
B- Why only 10 years?


31 posted on 04/21/2008 11:39:24 AM PDT by RatRipper (Call me a moral dinosaur)
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To: forkinsocket

I would suggest that Israel remember what happened with the “10-year truce” that Mohammed made with Mecca.


32 posted on 04/21/2008 11:39:43 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Hey they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: forkinsocket

This article is a little short of the details found in some others on this topic, which include the tidbit that Mashaal said that Hamas will never recognize Israel.


33 posted on 04/21/2008 11:40:07 AM PDT by mak5
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To: onguard

Do you negotiate with a rattlesnake? Do you “straighten things out” with a Great White Shark? Do you come to an agreement with a cobra? If you do, you’re an idiot.


34 posted on 04/21/2008 11:41:25 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

So what’s your solution?


35 posted on 04/21/2008 11:43:06 AM PDT by onguard
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To: forkinsocket

We won’t kill you for ten years if you give us what we want. That’s not a deal....That’s a threat. Carter is sooooo dumb.


36 posted on 04/21/2008 11:43:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: onguard

Let’s fire up the wayback machine and go back in time and ask WWSD - What would Sherman do?

(cool electronic cartoon sounds)

“War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want.”

“My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.”

“You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will.”

“I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy.”

“The scenes on this field would have cured anybody of war.”

“War is at best barbarism. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell.”


37 posted on 04/21/2008 11:48:21 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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38 posted on 04/21/2008 11:49:13 AM PDT by SJackson (before we work on problems, have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation, Michelle O.)
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To: OB1kNOb
I wish one of our resident FR photoshopping experts would superimpose Carter's head on the Neville Chamberlain photo where he holds up a copy of the agreement signed with Hitler.

Okay. :)

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39 posted on 04/21/2008 11:56:33 AM PDT by Famishus (North of the equator, the Death Spiral is clockwise.)
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To: forkinsocket

Israel should give Palestinians their pre-1948 borders.


40 posted on 04/21/2008 11:57:18 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool ("O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends" - Koran 5.51)
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To: forkinsocket
Sounds like a “Protection Racket”. Give us what we want and we'll leave you alone — until we want more. I wish I could believe giving them anything would produce the desired behavior. On its face, however, I'm thinkin’ it's a pipe dream.
41 posted on 04/21/2008 11:57:51 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Enchante

“What do Palestinian ceasefires mean?”

“While interpreted abroad as a ceasefire, the term hudna was seen by the Palestinian terror groups and their supporters in the Arab world as a mere tactical truce in keeping with Islamic history. In the year 628, when the prophet Mohammed considered his forces to be too weak to overcome the rival Kuraysh tribes, he concluded with them a ten-year truce (hudna) referred to as the Hudaybiya accord. Less than two years later, having consolidated their power, the Muslim forces attacked the Kuraysh tribes and defeated them, thereby enabling Mohammed to conquer Mecca.”
http://zionism-israel.com/issues/palestinian_ceasefire.html


42 posted on 04/21/2008 12:10:16 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: dyed_in_the_wool

I think that Hamas is serious about border reform. They want to dissolve the borders Israel now shares with its Arab neighbors and reform them on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea.


43 posted on 04/21/2008 12:13:18 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: forkinsocket

watch as the leftist morons line up to believe this crap


44 posted on 04/21/2008 12:23:44 PM PDT by wny
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To: forkinsocket

Why 10 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah

There will be no fighting for ten years. Anyone who wishes to join Muhammad (SAW) and to enter into any agreement with him is free to do so. Anyone who wishes to join the Quraish and to enter into any agreement with them is free to do so.


45 posted on 04/21/2008 12:31:05 PM PDT by Selmore (A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.)
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To: OB1kNOb

46 posted on 04/21/2008 12:33:40 PM PDT by michigander (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: forkinsocket

I’ve got a better plan.

Israel should seize a 2-mile wide security strip along the Gaza border, clear it, and fence it, and then offer Hamas a 10-year truce. If Hamas violates the truce, they take another 2-mile wide strip, clear it and fence it. And then repeat the offer.

As many times as it takes until they get the message, or they’ve been pushed into Egypt.


47 posted on 04/21/2008 12:43:09 PM PDT by marron
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To: forkinsocket; SJackson; Salem; Alouette; F15Eagle; T.L.Sink; mkjessup; JewishRighter; SunkenCiv; ...
"Hamas has said their organization would be willing to offer Israel a 10-year truce if Israel were to remove itself from the lands it seized during the 1967 Middle East War."

ROFL! Memo to Hamas: People in Hell want ice water and air conditioning! Of course, given Olmerde and his bunch of JINOs, you never know what might be given away for empty Amalekstinian promises.
48 posted on 04/21/2008 12:45:24 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA ("Typical 'bitter' 'White Male" whose vote the Dems now desperately want so bad - HA!)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Ah, so it’s “border reform” now is it?

Has Lindsay Graham been working on the Hamas “immigration reform”?

Sounds like Hamas has hired David Axelrod to run their campaign as well.


49 posted on 04/21/2008 12:48:52 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Famishus
A little touch up...
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50 posted on 04/21/2008 12:56:58 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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