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Posted on 04/22/2008 7:00:16 AM PDT by VRWCmember
She is too pretty to be guilty
Do we know if she actually did have a bag on the plane or was she just trying to use this tactic to get the jetway open so she could board? Just asking.
Probably fun to party with ...
And then get far away from.
But it is admittedly frustrating when they “close the gate” even though the ramp is in place, the door to the plane is still open, your seat is still available, and then you can watch the plane sit at the gate for another 30 minutes. I’ve seen gate agents reopen the door and others who don’t.
Related to this guitar-pickin millionaire moonbat?
Without elaborating too much. I see this from the airlines side for reasons I won’t get into. I think the lady was terribly unreasonable and should suffer consequences for her actions.
My comments about TSA were about TSA in general. I was using this board as a soap box about TSA. It was very clear in the story that it was a Jet Blue agent that turned her away.
This story is closer to where I “live” than you know. And I definitely take the airlines side on this one. That said, there are crimes and there are CRIMES. What this woman did was clearly wrong. My problem is with the idea that for this one instance she should get the book thrown at her. People make mistakes. She should get the fear of God put into her on this one and if she EVER does this again she should be removed from flying. Period.
Well, I've never seen one reopen the door, and any that do are breaking their company policy. When was the last time you saw a gate agent reopen the door? Has it been a number of years?
In my experience, the time that you have to be there before the gate closes is printed on your ticket.
Airlines need to do their best to keep to schedules. They might keep the gate open a couple minutes later if they know a passenger is on the way, but it is completely reasonable for them to set a time and stick by it.
Reopening the gate takes time for the flight crew that are supposed to be readying the plane for take-off.
If they hold up a flight, it has ripple effects later in the day.
I can understand and relate to it being frustrating to miss a flight, though in most cases the person I had the most reason to be frustrated with was myself.
If you don't want to have to worry about missing connecting flights, pay for a direct flight if one is available.
If you want the airplane to be flexible to your schedule, charter a flight.
If you can't afford those options, learn to deal with the reality that the airline can't hold up a plane full of passengers just because it is inconvenient for you.
“When was the last time you saw a gate agent reopen the door?”
How about last week for me? I got to the gate 15 seconds after the door closed (I saw it closing) and they reopened it. It was the last flight out for the night and they would have had to give me a hotel voucher since it was there fault for delaying the inbound flight. I’ve also seen them reopen the doors a number of times on international flights. I’ve never seen them open a door though once the aircraft door was closed, except once on an international flight.
Actions have consequences. Even foolish actions taken out of frustration.
Because of her actions, a plane had to be diverted, and searched. That comes at significant expense to the airline, to the government agents that have to perform the search, and to the passengers.
The actual costs of her actions, are sizable. Who do you think should pay them? Should she be held responsible for them?
Should the airline have to pick up the cost of diverting the plane and accommodating those passengers as best they could? If so those costs get unfairly passed on to other passengers as well as the company's stockholders.
Should she have to pay for the costs to search the plane? If not those costs get passed on to taxpayers.
Should the passengers be able to sure her for what her actions cost them?
This is a serious and costly incident.
I doubt that Jet Blue is ever going to let her fly on one of their planes again, and I don't blame them.
People do make mistakes. But sometimes those mistakes have very significant consequences, and the rest of us shouldn't have to pick up the tab.
I would agree that even if she doesn't understand the magnitude of what she did, she is unlikely to do it again. However, if she seems the least bit unrepentant, I'd suggest sticking her on the no fly list for a year or so. If they ever have serious problems with her again, she should get a significant jail sentence and be banned from commercial air travel.
If she’s an Austin liberal they she’s as guilty as Ann Richards sucking the bottom out of a bottle of cheap rye wiskey just before a speach.
If she’s an Austin liberal they she’s as guilty as Ann Richards sucking the bottom out of a bottle of cheap rye wiskey just before a speach. She sounds as if she would be as mean a drunk as ole Ann was.
THAT post just got you added to my FF (Favorite FReeper) list....
8^)
“In my experience, the time that you have to be there before the gate closes is printed on your ticket.”
You don’t fly much I guess. If it is a connecting flight, then you have zero control over when you arrive at the airport. All sorts of things can delay flights, some under no one’s control, like the weather, and some due to the airline itself, like mechanical problems.
I’ve even seen airlines board everyone, then after learning the delay is going to be over an hour, they let everyone deplane and reboard again. There are always exceptions and if you fly often enough, you see them.
The aircraft door was what I meant. Until the aircraft door is closed, it's not usually a significant burden for them to allow a passenger on the plane.
I believe that the warnings I remember of boarding passes mentioned that the no one would be allowed to board after the aircraft door had been closed.
Of course there are things beyond your control that can cause you to miss your flight, though most often they also cause your baggage to miss the connecting flight as well.
While you can't control all the factors that might make you miss a flight, you can still control your own actions in the event that it happens.
I've missed a good number of connecting flights. I used to travel regularly for work.
I've never pitched a fit at the airline employees. It's foolish and counter-productive.
I’ve even seen airlines board everyone, then after learning the delay is going to be over an hour, they let everyone deplane and reboard again. There are always exceptions and if you fly often enough, you see them.
There are lots of exceptions when your outbound flight is delayed. It's awfully rare where they will hold up a plane and make everyone wait so they risk missing their connecting flights because a straggler is running late (regardless of if it is their fault or not). I've seen them wait to close the airplane door as long as possible when they know a passenger is on the way, but once that door closes, I've personally only seen it open if there were mechanical problems with the plane that delayed the flight.
Not mentioned, but....
Perhaps she was late at the gate due to time spent in the bar?
Guess what lady, saying "there could be a bomb" is going to be considered a threat.
Guess what, v/o: I fail to see how quoting chapter and verse of the brownshirt's own manual qualifies as a threat.
Yes, she was lax in her failure to report to the gate in time. TSA was FAR more lax in allowing her luggage to depart the gate without her on the aircraft, and she had the audacity, indeed the NERVE to point that out to the pointy heads. THAT was her "crime".
Folks who accept and encourage this kind of totalitarianist action by "persons of authority" are far more effective in aiding and abetting the demise of the great American Experiment than Obama, Osama, Bubba or Hillary could ever be.
She was upset, but TSA thought her "safe" enough to sit in the lounge until the NEXT flight she could board was about to load? TSA ALLOWED the flight with the "ALLEGED" threat bag to take off, and THEN had it land for inspection?
There's a LOT more to this than the LSM is telling us.
I’ve come in and out of BWI at least 100 times since 9/11 and I can say that it has gotten better. But I still make sure I’m at the airport 2 hours before a flight. Most times it goes smooth and I’m sitting at the bar for an hour before I wander over to my gate, but when it goes bad, you need every minute of that two hours.
Has that sort of “run-a-way bride” look.
That's the way it is, but if that's the way it should be maybe regular cops should taze and arrest you for words like "drug" or "shot."
"Where are you heading tonight sir?"
"The drug store, to pick up my insulin shots."
"GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW OR I WILL TAZE YOU!!!!! GET OUT NOW!!!!!"
Me, I liked it better when this zero judgement, run public places like prison yards stuff was something we read about in other countries.
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