Skip to comments.Rush Limbaugh: "Chaos: Hillary Rips MoveOn.org!"
Posted on 04/22/2008 8:10:55 AM PDT by seanmerc
RUSH: Do you remember the genesis of MoveOn.org? The whole point of MoveOn.org, it was a Clinton front group. "Move on," meant, "Can't we move on from the impeachment? Can't we move on from all of these scandals? Can't we move on from all of these little Chihuahuas yapping at the heels of the Clintons? Can't we just move on?" With that in mind, in February 2008 in a closed door fundraiser (phone quality here), this is Mrs. Clinton talking about MoveOn.org.
HILLARY: We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. ... They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.
RUSH: Were you able to make that out? You weren't able to? I can hear it and you guys couldn't? You know what? I know why I could hear it, because I've got a transcript here, so I sort of had closed-captioning. Here's what she said -- and this is February of this year. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. ... They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me." So Mrs. Clinton ripped MoveOn.org, an organization founded to help the country forget them and their scandals, ripping the Democrat base because they're running in and intimidating people into not voting for her in these caucus states. I wish I could lay claim here to part of this with Operation Chaos, but I can't. This is long before Operation Chaos was brilliantly conceived and began its flawless execution.
Let's review. (laughter) It gets bigger, you mean in terms of intimidating Clintonites? If you've read some of these left-wing blogs, MoveOn.org, I don't care where, they are threatening people. They're unstable. I can imagine some of these clowns showing up at some old lady's house where a caucus is taking place in Iowa, and basically threatening to burn it down, whatever they were doing. Not literally, of course, but, whew! Anyway, the idea that there's any unity in the Democrat Party, anybody's going to bring unity to the Democrat Party is just a joke.
I thought of registering Dem when Hillary was running for the Senate....But didn’t want to hang my head in disgrace in my hometown.
I can understand that. If you had, though, you would be legitimately able to claim Operation Chaos pioneer status!
Come on people. This is not rocket science.
Ha! Move-on was a front for Slick Willie, but they’ve moved on to Obama. Sorry Hillary!
The irony here is delicious! The dangerous fanatics that supported clinton are now revealed by clinton to be dangerous fanatics!
Fellow travellers will throw anyone under the bus. Stalinist playbook in play.
There are many on FR who believe Operation Chaos is a big mistake. There are many on FR who believe Clinton now is targeting 2012. I, for one, don’t get their thinking.
Whoever loses the DIMocrat nomination will be toast in 2012. And if the winner of the nomination doesn’t get elected in November, they too will be toast. Clinton will have only a slim chance for the 2012 nomination, and Obama would have even less of a chance.
As for Operation Chaos, much of the disarray in Dimocrat primary politics has been self-inflicted. Operation Chaos, while fun, has been a side show. There’s simply not enough Republicans who’ve crossed over to make a major impact. Some impact? Yes. Major? No.
Now, I’m not saying it shouldn’t happen, or that I disagree with Rush. I’m with him on this. It’s just that it’s icing on the cake; it’s not the batter.
Hillary knows this is her one and only shot at the White House. She’ll wind up on the democrat’s scrap heap along with Kerry, Gore, etc if she can’t pull this off. Obama on the other hand has a chance in 2012 or 2016. Hillary is ticked off at uppity Obama who cut in line and is giving her the finger.
The volume of advertising from Hussein O'Bammy is incredible. The guy is running ads on every tv and radio station in Indianapolis at least once per half hour. His funding has to be monstrous.
It will be tough to keep Hillary alive but I think we can do it.
We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. ... They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.
So basically what Rush is saying is that between Hillary and Obama as President, he’d take Hillary.
This will end up giving her the Presidency, even though it limits Obama to VP only.
At this point, I think this may be a mistake.
A Hillary nomination is more centrist and appeals to more independents than an Obama nomination. She is much more dangerous as a winner with a Democrat Congress.
An Obama nomination leaves her out in the cold where she will NOT tolerate being. She will work to get him beaten so she can try again in 2012. A force of McCain, independents and the Clintons can likely beat Obama.
The reverse is not true. Obama would not work to defeat her because he has far more time to try again.
She is going to win Pennsylvania and continue, but Indiana and North Carolina would be good places to stop her. She can rest firmly assured of the nomination in 2012 if Obama is beaten by McCain.
There's another recent thread on what Rush has said about beating Obama. He speaks of how even some Republicans like Obama because he's cool. To beat him, Republicans will have to use things that break through that cool, hip, futurist demeanor of his. Things such as his associations with racists, communists, etc. just aren't going to do it because he's "cool".
But in another part of the thread he deals with the fact that Obama, regardless of his "cool" just can't put Hillary away once-and-for-all. And this is what I want to point out. When you say "I think we can do it", please understand that the largest affect on her staying in the race is her own strength. She is determined to win. Why? Because as I pointed out, if she loses this time she's toast. She knows that. So does Obama about his future. And that's why we've seen the DIMocrat race turn so ugly. They both know the stakes, and what the future holds for the loser.
So, have fun. And do what you can. I'm behind you 100%. But know this, they've created their own mess, and will continue on because it's what they have to do. This election, if lost by them, will be a much larger defeat for the DIMocrats than we can imagine. They (especially Hillary) entered the primary season EXPECTING to win easily and gain the White House. Today, it doesn't look anywhere near a sure thing. And if they lose, especially after being so confident, watch out.
"Be careful what you wish for ..."
If Hillary gets the nominee - and WINS - it will just give Republicans something else to fight about amongst ourselves. "It's your fault!! You went with Operation Chaos!! You voted for Hillary and look what happened!"
With Mormons fighting "true" Christians, pro-lifers fighting pro-choicers, ED's fighting evos, Libertarians fighting Republicans ... don't we have enough to fight about?
Leave the 'Rats alone. Let them duke it out. I just want to watch a good fight. I don't want to be part of it.
I agree with you - this is it for Mrs. Bill. She already looks like a mummified hag. In ‘12...? The picture of Dorian Gray.
Hitlery will be too old in ‘12.
If Obama gets the nom, he will not pick Hillary, he needs to distance himself from the past, the scandals, and BILL! Obama will not bring out the center-left voters, and the Clintons will work behind the scenes to sabatoge his campaign, clearing a path for Hillary in 2012.
This has been fun, but it is time to take the BWitch out of the equation, and finish off the job the Clintons have started - dismantling the empty suit Obama.
McCain’s not too old now, she won’t be too old in 2012, especially when younger than him.
You are correct. She is more the centrist and thus more of a threat to take independent votes.
There is never any value in playing with an opponent and allowing him or her to start first and 10 at your own 10 yard line before you start fighting.
She will win PA. It won’t be by 20%. The key state is North Carolina. If Obama wins there, he will have a substantial popular vote and pledged delegate lead. Backstabbing him then would cripple her ability to get black votes.
As long as he doesn’t pick her for VP, she will work to get him beaten — even when he picks another woman. That would enrage her no end and she will definitely work to get him defeated.
Clinton expected a shoe-in for the nomination. That didn’t happen because of Clinton fatigue. Why anyone believes she would be more electable in 2012 than today is beyond me. By 2012 the Clintons will be happily antiquated.
But the same is true for Obama. Why? Because he’s new, untested, and showing his true colors through the Reverend Wright, Louis Farrakhan and William Ayers. Should he become the nominee, and lose, even Clinton would stand a better chance in 2012 than he.
This will be a watershed election for the DIMocrats. They entered the race extremely confident. Should they lose, it could have far greater repercussions than we can imagine for that party.
Different standard for women vs men. They get old faster and lose their viability quicker.
I am not a huge McCain fan, but I simply cannot abide either Hitlery or Oscumma as CINC.
The thing is, the democrats know its happening, but have no way of knowing how much of the primary vote is coming from Republican crossovers. It adds to the fun by making them insane
I was a Fredhead. I’ve publicly stated I would not vote for McCain in the general. I’m standing by that...for now. I say ‘for now’ because it remains to be seen where the election prospects will stand come November. If I feel I need to hold my nose, vote for McCain, then immediately take a shower, I will. But if there’s ANY way I can feel comfortable going to the booth and voting for everyone BUT McCain, I will do so happily.
I understand. And I'm having fun watching all the Operation Chaos folks do their thing; regardless of what percentage of success it really has. That's why I say 'go for it'!
It's just that what it truly accomplishes is icing on the cake to what chaos they've already created for themselves. A party made up of minority extremists which has developed absurd primary rules meant to favor the Clintons. And a field of candidates so shallow they can't even float.
I buy everything you said except the above. Obama is the new, untested kid on the block. This campaign season will bring him into the open, warts and all. And people will not like what they see. Oh, I'm not talking about the Obama faithful. It's the rest of America. Rural America. Come 2012, should he lose either the nomination or the general, he'll have even less of a chance for a comeback than Clinton.
People may be ready for a Black President, but not of the Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Louis Farrakhan type.
Hey Hillary, better put some ice on that!
Where did you come up with that jewel? Don't you realize that women outlive men by about 10 years? Vitality? I'm 74 and I still run a mile and then top that off with a run up 37 steps at the park. In the meantime, my hubby is only 73. He's had 3 heart attacks and has a problem walking from the house to the car. I still want to go out and have "fun". He wants to stay at home and go to sleep on the couch.
I voted for Fred in the CA primary, even though he had already dropped out by that point. The main thing for me is that I don’t want to see someone who hates America elected to the presidency. John McCain has some strange ideas, and has done some infuriating things, but I am not aware of any evidence that he actually loathes this country and wants to see it humiliated.
Please excuse me. I was not speaking about reality, but political perception. Your comments are all absolutely true - in the real world. But in the bizarro world of politics, which much resembles the bizarro world of show business where I work, I think my “jewel” (as you so drily put it) about “viability” (not “vitality”) still applies.
That might not help him. People might have a negative reaction to excessive advertising. I certainly do.
Moveon.org hasn’t been about moving on for years. When I look at what they say about President Bush, I know many of their members are stuck in 2004, or even 2000. And I can’t remember the last time they had a new idea. Is it illegal for a political organization to change its name?
As a twenty-year listener to Rush (going back to the KFBK Sacramento days), I always thought of Rush as the conservative voice. Now, I'm not so sure. Frankly, I think Rush has lost his mind. That some of his listeners are actually following this "operation chaos" tripe is unbelievable. I'll say it again, be very careful what you wish for.
The old Rush would have reminded his listeners that "when liberals are making fools of themselves, get out of their way." That Rush is no longer on the radio.
I've lost so much respect for Rush in the past two months, I'm not sure I will ever quite see him the same. He now reminds me of a little boy who suddenly marvels at how clever he has become, never realizing the trap he is setting for himself. Said differently, if you have to explain the joke, it's probably not that funny.
what trap did rush set for himself?
Good lord, is that thing photo shopped?
Rush is a genius and Operation Chaos is a gift.