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Fact is Obama’s risky - Even Mass. Democrats starting to take notice
Boston Hearld ^ | April 22nd, 2008 | Michael Graham

Posted on 04/22/2008 9:18:13 AM PDT by The_Republican

Barack Obama, meet John Adams.

Adams noted during the Boston Massacre trial that “Facts are stubborn things.” And it appears that, for the moment, the facts have caught up with Obama here in Massachusetts.

How else to explain the amazing, astounding and unthinkable results of the latest SurveyUSA presidential poll: Republican John McCain is tied with Barack Obama in the Bay State.

The last Republican to win Massachusetts? Ronald Reagan. The last Republican before that? Dwight Eisenhower. Even George McGovern managed to carry Massachusetts in 1972, the one Democratic holdout in Richard Nixon’s 49-state landslide.

Replace “McGovern” with “MoveOn.org” and you’ve seized the essence of the Obama candidacy. He’s the most liberal U.S. senator, advocating tax increases on the “wealthy” and enjoying the support of Gov. Deval Patrick, Sen. Ted Kennedy, The Boston Globe-Democrat and every 9/11 conspiracy kook in the People’s Republic of Cambridge. He’s got all the players in Massachusetts behind him except the ones who actually vote.

While Hillary Clinton soundly beats McCain in Massachusetts in the new SurveyUSA poll, 56 percent to 41 percent, the Obama/McCain number is 48 percent to 46 percent, well within the margin of error.

A Democrat struggling here in 2008? An unpopular war, a collapsing housing market and $4 gas - if Britney Spears were running as a Democrat, she’d pull at least 50 percent of the Massachusetts vote.

Sixty percent if she kept her clothes on.

Holly Robichaud, the “Lone Republican” of Boston Herald fame, blames Patrick for Obama’s woes. “We’ve already elected one inexperienced candidate running on a vague platform of hope in Massachusetts, and it’s not working out. This is a classic example of ‘Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.’ ”

Not a bad theory, given that SurveyUSA also found only four in 10 residents approve of the job Gov. Patrick is doing.

But I think that the question driving Obama’s numbers down of late - Clinton passed him in Gallup’s national head-to-head this past weekend for the first time in weeks - is that liberals wonder if he can give them that which they crave most.

Not socialized medicine. Not surrender in Iraq. Not even higher taxes on evil, rich, white oil company executives.

What they want is victory - at virtually any cost.

Typical Americans want to know if Obama, a liberal community activist with little political or executive experience, is tough enough to face our enemies in a troubled world. Massachusetts Democrats could not care less - they just want to make sure he’s tough enough to take on McCain.

And because the answer is “probably not,” Obama is struggling among what should be his most ardent admirers. Massachusetts liberals like him as a guy, and they certainly support his politics. But they really hate losers. Especially after the last eight years.

From the 2000 election controversy - “selected, not elected” to “Bush lied, people died” - the Democratic passion for victory is palpable. The sting of 2004, when exit-poll reporting had John Kerry supporters cheering at 4 p.m. and crying at midnight, is a painful memory.

For a while, Obama was the golden child. His campaign allegedly inspired Obamacans to abandon the GOP in red states like Montana. As long as he looked like a winner, the Obama Express could not be stopped.

Now, it’s the post-Rev. Wright Obama - insulting “clinging” rural voters, running attack ads of questionable veracity, making public statements on things from gun control (for it) and higher taxes (for them, too) that are demonstrably untrue.cw-2

This may be the righter “left” way to govern, but is it the way to beat McCain?

Until Democrats have an answer, Hillary Clinton won’t be dropping out of the race. Why should she?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2008; barackobama; death; demise; democratparty; democrats; demrisk; elections; liberal; obama; obomber; socialist; wrigh
I wouldn't read too much in those polls. McCain is definitely strong in North East but I would be shocked if he could win anything besides New Hampshire.

His next best State would be Connecticut where he won the primary handily and there just might be some die-hard Lieberman fans.

Massachusettes Democrats went strongly for Hillary and all their leadership is for Obama. They are frustated with those results and specially since Hildabeast is going down overall. So when a Pollster calls, they might be venting their anger. In the end, if McCain is taking down Massacusettes in the fall, it means that somehow Hillary and Huma's makeout session got posted on Youtube.

1 posted on 04/22/2008 9:18:13 AM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

Barak “L’Eggo my Eggo” Obama just might be the Walter Mondale of 2008.


2 posted on 04/22/2008 9:35:40 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: The_Republican
I think that McCain actually has a shot in several places in the Northeast, especially if Obama starts to fall apart.
3 posted on 04/22/2008 9:38:19 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: The_Republican

I made a bet with a lib woman from Cambridge that I would take her to the dinner joint of her choice if McCain wins MA. I still think my bet is safe because dinner at an upscale restaurant in Boston could be upwards of $200.

This poll will just not hold up, 60% of MA voters are genetically wired to vote for the person with a D after their name even if the R here (McCain) might as well be a lib.


4 posted on 04/22/2008 9:42:22 AM PDT by Maneesh
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To: Question_Assumptions

Massachusetts is pretty tired of their Governor and Obama’s political friend Deval Patrick.


5 posted on 04/22/2008 9:42:26 AM PDT by shineon
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To: The_Republican

I suspect that poll is flawed in some way. If McCain is tied in MA then it’s going to be a huge landslide. Why would the state the elected Patrick as gov., and elects Kennedy and Kerry repeatedly and by huge margins, go for McCain over Obama?


6 posted on 04/22/2008 9:43:11 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Maneesh

Dude you messed up.

You should have bet a Liberal woman that McCain would win PA, and if he loses you would take her out to dinner.

Now you will be depressed and dateless on Election Night. LOL!


7 posted on 04/22/2008 9:45:01 AM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: The_Republican

How can this be? Can it be that McCain is really, gasp, a RINO?


8 posted on 04/22/2008 9:48:12 AM PDT by KevinB (John McCain is to the Republican Party as James Taylor is to the the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame)
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To: KevinB

Was Reagan, gasp, a Rino, gasp, gasp, gasp? He carried MA.


9 posted on 04/22/2008 9:49:20 AM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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To: The_Republican

I hate to say it, but all the liberals I know—and unfortunately I know plenty of them—plan to vote for Baraka Obama.

And they all think that McCain is an extreme right wing war monger.

The only reason Democrats crossed over in droves to vote for McCain in the primaries is because they thought he was the worst possible candidate for the Republicans to run, so they could beat him in the fall.


10 posted on 04/22/2008 9:53:42 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

I can see why nobody ever accused them of having any brains.


11 posted on 04/22/2008 10:15:28 AM PDT by OldYank1
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To: TNCMAXQ
I suspect that poll is flawed in some way. If McCain is tied in MA then it’s going to be a huge landslide. Why would the state the elected Patrick as gov., and elects Kennedy and Kerry repeatedly and by huge margins, go for McCain over Obama?

Because Democrats are all secretly racist, while actually wanting to show the world how tolerant they are. Since Mass already voted in a black governor, they have nothing left to prove, therefore, they can indulge their racist tendencies and vote against Obama knowing their diversity reputation is intact.

12 posted on 04/22/2008 10:25:57 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: The_Republican

I truly believe we need to get rid of Hillary Now...He cannot win a general election...SHE can. I don’t know why rush wants this thing to keep going.....I really don’t.


13 posted on 04/22/2008 1:31:42 PM PDT by Hildy (It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that determine who we truly are. - J.K. Rowling)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

[snip] Barack Obama, meet John Adams. Adams noted during the Boston Massacre trial that “Facts are stubborn things.” And it appears that, for the moment, the facts have caught up with Obama here in Massachusetts. [end]

John Adams and Beating Obama
The Rush Limbaugh Show | April 21, 2008 | Rush Limbaugh
Posted on 04/22/2008 8:45:22 AM PDT by moderatewolverine
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14 posted on 04/22/2008 11:47:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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