Skip to comments.Dead Bodies Were Run Over By Tanks
Posted on 04/22/2008 1:22:59 PM PDT by Doctor13
In his evidence at the trial of Croatian generals for crimes committed in the course of Operation Storm and its aftermath, Andries Dreyer, former security coordinator in the UN Knin base, described how Croatian soldiers drove over dead bodies in a tank. The bodies were those of persons killed in a mortar shell attack on the crowd that had gathered in front of the UN base on 5 August 1995.
When the shelling of Knin began at dawn on 4 August 1995, Andries Dreyer, security coordinator in the UN Knin base, had to evacuate the personnel of the UN and other international organizations from the town and transfer them to the UN base. From 4,30 am to 6 pm he went to different parts of the town five times to pick up the personnel and transfer them to the base. On aerial photos of Knin, he marked every route he took highlighting locations where he saw shells impacts. Former member of the South African defense forces estimated that Knin had been shelled from multiple rocket launchers and 155 mm howitzers. In his view, the shelling was indiscriminate: the whole of Knin was a target.
Next day, 5 August 1995, several mortar shells hit the area in the immediate vicinity of the UN base where a crowd of civilians had gathered. The shells hit closer and closer to the base and the last one exploded right in the middle of the crowd in front of the base. In Dreyers opinion, this meant that the mortar crew was correcting its fire. Five or six persons were killed then and their bodies were put in body bags by the Canadian blue helmets and left by the side of the road. When Croatian troops entered Knin that same day, soldiers took some of the bags with dead bodies, placed them on the road and drove over them in a tank.
The defense of general Ante Gotovina didnt deny that there was an explosion in front of the UN base but it contended that a tractor trailer with Serbian soldiers carrying a large amount of weapons was hit. It gave notice to the Trial Chamber that it intended to present at least two autopsy reports challenging Dreyers allegation about the tank.
Using the same aerial photos of Knin on which Dreyer marked his movement around the town and the sites where shells landed on 4 August, Gotovinas defense marked the buildings it considered to be military targets. Among them are the army barracks, the bridge, tunnel for armored trains, the main intersection, the railway station, the SVK General Staff, the government and assembly buildings, factories, warehouses and even the nursing home. According to the defense, this building was used as the quarters for officers seconded to the SVK from Belgrade.
Locations that the defense considers as legitimate military targets corresponded to a considerable extent with the areas where the artillery fire was concentrated, as marked by Dreyer. The witness added that he had seen evidence of shelling everywhere he went around Knin on 4 August 1995. The Trial Chamber will, of course, decide what were and what were not legitimate military targets in this case.
Yeah, like maybe they were in the road and there was no Baily Bridge handy.
You’re all heart.....
In World War II, Hitler had no executioners more willing, no ally more passionate, than the Fascists of Croatia.
They are returning, 50 years later, from what should have been their eternal grave, the defeat of Nazi Germany. The Western allies who dug that grave with the bodies of their servicemen have the power to stop them, but do not.
Croatian Fascists, known as the Ustashe, fought alongside German troops against Serbs, Muslims and Croats trying desperately, and vainly, to block the Nazi conquest of Yugoslavia. In 1941 Hitler rewarded Croatian Fascists by carving out a Croatian state and letting them run it. They did not let him down.
The Ustashe slaughtered Serbs, Jews and non-Fascist Croats -- and with such glee and such cruelty that their name became a terror and stench throughout Europe.
Croatia disappeared with Hitler's annihilation in 1945. A half-century later the West created a new Croatia, by recognizing the secession from Yugoslavia of Croatian nationalists, led by one Franjo Tudjman.
Not all were Fascists, by any means, but now the Ustashe is running in elections, brutalizing its enemies -- Croat, Serb or Jew. Mr. Tudjman is giving them what they need most -- presence, and the rewriting of history.
Two documents are a short course on the Ustashe. To honor the murdered and protect the future, read them. From pages 323-328 of the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Macmillan): ''More than a half million Serbs were killed, a quarter million expelled, 200,000 forced to convert to the Catholicism of the Croatian Fascists.
''Thousands were hurled from mountain tops, others were beaten to death, entire villages were burned down, women raped, people sent on death marches in the middle of winter, still others starved to death.''
Jews? Ante Pavelic, the Ustashe leader, announced that the Jews would be ''liquidated within a very short time.'' They were, most of the 40,000.
But some chosen as victims did survive. Study the picture of the children after the camps were freed. They wear only bones and tightened skin. Serbs? Jews?
The second document is a fine piece of journalism from Croatia by the New York Times correspondent Chris Hedges (April 12) about the rebirth of Fascism there -- the bullying, the sieg-ing and heil-ing in Croatian, the whole nastiness. Most important is the increasing work of Mr. Tudjman -- a longtime Holocaust denier -- to recast the Fascists as patriots and founders of the new Croatia.
This man likes to talk about how he himself fought German soldiers. Now a major political, military and financial beneficiary of the West, he permits pictures of Fascists dead and alive to be plastered around the country. He gives special status and pensions to Ustashe veterans. He tried to get the body of the killer-chief Pavelic returned from Spain, where he had fled, and buried with honor in Zagreb -- like reburying Himmler under the linden. The family objected. So he brought back another Ustashe killer, this one alive, and made him a member of Parliament.
Western recognition of Mr. Tudjman's Croatia was pushed hardest by Germany despite warnings from Bosnian Muslims that the timing could set off war among themselves, Serbs and Croats.
Franjo Tudjman is now ours. The West cannot evade responsibility for the rebirth of Fascism in Croatia. Peter Galbraith, U.S. Ambassador to Croatia, told me he had denounced Croatian ethnic cleansing of Serbs last year, and considered the glorification of the Ustashe an insult to Croats who fought Nazis, and to American veterans of World War II.
Mr. Tudjman and his Fascist proteges brush off ambassadorial protest with insult. Would he brush off the Presidents of the U.S. and France, the British Prime Minister -- or the Chancellor of Germany -- if they took action to stop Croatian Fascism? Such as denouncing the Tudjman buildup of the Ustashe, then reducing Western representation to sub-ambassadorial and slashing economic help to Croatia -- the whole list?
That won't change the Ustashe or improve Mr. Tudjman's sickness of body and character. But it could force him to end Fascist rehabilitation work. Or has the West become so sick itself that it will permit Croatian Fascism to live on beyond the grave?
If this was the first time a tank ran over the dead, it might be news. If the people were made dead by being run over by a tank, that would be news. This has nothing to do with my heart.
Actually, they were told to drive over them. When they asked to enter, the response was, “Over my dead body!”
Yeah,my daddy told me a story of a road scene
he witnessed in ww2 of a German greatcoat,boots
and a flat helment in the middle of the road,it
always bothered him.
War ain`t pretty
Second Amendment bump
In my Armor unit, the cadence we sang when running PT past the Infantry barracks was :
Crunch, crunch, crunch is the sound.
Got grunts in my sprockets going round and round.
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