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Los Angeles 'is a Third World city'
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 23/04/2008 | Staffer

Posted on 04/22/2008 7:44:40 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

Los Angeles is becoming a "Third World city" with immigrants making up half its workforce, says a new study.

A third of immigrants have not graduated from high school and 60 per cent do not speak English fluently, the Migration Policy Institute found.

It said this left immigrants ill-equipped to fill California's fastest-growing occupations, such as computer software engineering and nursing. The organisation added that as the so-called baby boomers reach retirement age, a similar pattern will spread across the US.

Ernesto Cortes Jr, of the Industrial Areas Foundation, a think-tank that specialises on social change, claimed Los Angeles was at a crossroads.

"The question is are we going to be a 21st century city with shared prosperity, or a Third World city with an elite group on top and most on near poverty wages?" he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; diversity; firstworld; immigration; losangeles; unitedstates
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A short article about LA, I've never been so I can't judge its accuracy.
1 posted on 04/22/2008 7:44:40 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

“Shared prosperity” = “Communism”


2 posted on 04/22/2008 7:47:25 PM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: farlander

yes they finally achieved the overseer class to administer to the masses


3 posted on 04/22/2008 7:50:57 PM PDT by Flavius (war gives peace its security)
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To: AuntB; cripplecreek; traviskicks; Borax Queen; SandRat; fieldmarshaldj; SwinneySwitch; T.L.Sink

The consequences of open borders, multiculturalism, and “diversity” are on display for all to see. And they’re not a success story.

Coming to other American cities if the Open Borders crowd has its way.


4 posted on 04/22/2008 7:52:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Those in the national Republican leadership do the work of three men- Moe, Larry, and Curly.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

“Illiterate peasants.”

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/04/lawmaker-stuns.html


5 posted on 04/22/2008 7:55:21 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: PotatoHeadMick

I have been to several third world cities and I have been to LA recently. It is just silly to claim they are alike.

When I was in Adana, Turkey, there were cattle in the streets. There were cats you would give a wide berth to. There were horse and oxen drawn vehicles. There was hot water a couple of hours some days.

Heck when I was in Istanbul there was a guy with a bear on a change who for money would make the bear dance. The bear was muzzled.

LA is a typical US city. It has very nice areas. It has bad areas. It has electricity and running water to all areas. It has paved roads throughout.


6 posted on 04/22/2008 7:55:44 PM PDT by JLS
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To: PotatoHeadMick

7 posted on 04/22/2008 7:56:41 PM PDT by traumer
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To: JLS

Violent crime. Rampant terrorism. Massive illiterate population. Lack of rule of law. I would say that LA has many simularities to third world cities.


8 posted on 04/22/2008 8:05:02 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: JLS

How many days did you live in LA?


9 posted on 04/22/2008 8:06:17 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Ajnin

Have you ever been to a third world city?


10 posted on 04/22/2008 8:12:18 PM PDT by JLS
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To: SoCalPol

I lived in Adana, I only visited LA. I can tell the difference between a third world city and LA.


11 posted on 04/22/2008 8:13:11 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS
Heck when I was in Istanbul there was a guy with a bear on a change who for money would make the bear dance. The bear was muzzled.

There is a group of gypsies that specialize as dancing bear handlers.

12 posted on 04/22/2008 8:15:27 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Now all they need is for it to get inexplicably colder and rainier and Ridley Scott’s “Bladerunner” will be a reality.


13 posted on 04/22/2008 8:17:18 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: JLS
This is the real L.A.:L.A. Gangs: Nine Miles and Spreading
14 posted on 04/22/2008 8:18:01 PM PDT by kabar
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To: JLS
Have you ever been to a third world city?

I live in a third world city. And I have been to East LA, Compton, El Monte, Lynwood, Baldwin Park, Anaheim, etc. etc.

15 posted on 04/22/2008 8:28:25 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: JLS

Lets say it is as close as you can get for sake of argument.

I live 15 miles north of Tijuana, a third world
city. You can see everything any other third world city
is and you can see extreme wealth and luxury.
Same thing in LA


16 posted on 04/22/2008 8:29:45 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Don’t believe these cockamammie Commies in the MPI! The actual figures are much higher. We’ve been invaded and we’ve let them stay and drop their anchor babies and take our jobs. Most of us didn’t complain when in the 70s, they took the hard labor farmworker harvesting jobs. Then, they moved into the cities and took our high-paying construction and plant jobs. It got so bad in L.A. that they were not questioned at the polling booths where many voted—a Federal and state felony. They don’t assimilate. They’re still Mexicans. They send what they earn back home so it never gets recirculated into the American economy.

The answer to the pro-business types who contend “But if we deported them, there’d be no one to change the sheets in the hotels and motels, no one to do janitorial work, no one to pick the fruit and veggies!” is...if those lawbreaking business can’t figure out that they can easily get American labor if they raise the pay and offer benes, then they don’t deserve to be in business and should sell out to those who will pay good wages again for work done. We’ve seen it in the meatpacking plants in the Midwest that were raided—the owners brought back American workers for a higher wage and there were lines around the block to get those jobs!


17 posted on 04/22/2008 8:31:04 PM PDT by levotb
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To: dhs12345

Speaking Truth to Power.
Can’t have that now can we.....


18 posted on 04/22/2008 8:32:29 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: SoCalPol

I wonder what the sanitation, water, electricity, indoor plumbing, corruption, situation is in Tijuana compared to LA? I wonder if the average LA cop and municipal worker is corrupt?


19 posted on 04/22/2008 8:33:40 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Thank you. But the all-knowing types who have never been here will differ with you and believe what they want to. They’re off and running...


20 posted on 04/22/2008 8:38:25 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: SoCalPol

Los Angeles is NOT Tijuana, not by a long shot.


21 posted on 04/22/2008 8:39:47 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: JLS

Los Angeles hasn’t devolved to the level of Tijuana yet, but give it time. Rome wasn’t demolished in a day.


22 posted on 04/22/2008 8:40:21 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: JLS

My comments stand.


23 posted on 04/22/2008 8:42:33 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Ajnin; JLS

I lived in LA. It’s a tough town, but it’s got nothing on the third world.

Still, it’s amusing to draw the connection.

There are small towns in the CA Central Valley that are mostly illegal and do appear to be like the third world. Unpaved roads, scrawy dogs, no English to be found, the whole bit.


24 posted on 04/22/2008 8:42:35 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: PotatoHeadMick

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower.


25 posted on 04/22/2008 8:43:40 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

L.A. is a Third World city? Sounds like another video/photo-op for giant ego and megalomaniac Mayor Villaraigosa.


26 posted on 04/22/2008 8:47:18 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Hi Dad!)
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To: JLS
LA is a typical US city. It has very nice areas. It has bad areas. It has electricity and running water to all areas. It has paved roads throughout.

My friend, you are completely wrong.

I live in the LA Metropolitan area and it is a third-world city in comparison to all other areas of the state.

Most of the city you would not want to get off the freeway and drive around in.

The freeways themselves have not been updated as LA does not have the money because they spend so much keeping their hospitals afloat and their education system running catering to illegal aliens.

A good proportion of the city has businesses whose signs are written in spanish, they have street vendors everywhere, beggars everywhere, and cock-fighting everywhere, not to mention the 80,000 gang members partially because the city has something called Special Order 40 which does not allow the cops to look into the immigration status of those they arrest.

Your one visit to LA must have been concentrated in some of the nicer area of the city.
27 posted on 04/22/2008 8:48:29 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: SoConPubbie
A proposal to change the LAPD's controversial policy dealing with undocumented immigrants picked up a powerful ally today, the Los Angeles Police Protective League. The union, which represents more than 9,000 LAPD officers, said it is backing a motion introduced last week by Los Angeles Councilman Dennis Zine that would require officers to check on the immigration status of gang members suspected of being undocumented immigrants -- even if they are not under arrest.

That motion would change LAPD's Special Order 40, which restricts officers' ability to inquire about a person's immigration status.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/04/police-union-vs.html

Sorry you live in a bad area of the city, but JLS is right. I know, because I live here.

28 posted on 04/22/2008 9:03:40 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: La Enchiladita
Sorry you live in a bad area of the city, but JLS is right. I know, because I live here.

So do I, and everyone I know, who is not an Illegal Alien, or used to third-world conditions, feels the same way as I do.
29 posted on 04/22/2008 9:15:10 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Kozak
Speaking Truth to Power.

I despise that phrase.
I've only heard it used by blatantly obvious liberals.
I first heard it from Anita Hill at St Thomas' confirmation hearings.
I'm curious about its origin and why do you use it here?

30 posted on 04/22/2008 9:19:55 PM PDT by skeptoid (AA, UE, MBS [with oak leaf clusters])
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To: skeptoid

I use it because the gentleman is correct. Colorado does not need another infusion of illiterate peasants. And I love turning one of the lefts rhetorical weapons upon them.


31 posted on 04/22/2008 9:22:58 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: SoConPubbie

I agree and I’ve been here 22 yrs!


32 posted on 04/22/2008 9:30:36 PM PDT by Never2baCrat
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To: SoConPubbie

I am not an illegal alien nor used to 3rd world conditions, and these are not 3rd world conditions in our city. I was born in this city, AND I have travelled to Mexico. Not all of Mexico is in 3rd world condition either, although the villages and rural areas are.

What we have here is a well-functioning first rate infrastructure. As I said, if you live in slum area, then that may color your view. But L.A., for the most part, is a vital, thriving metropolis.


33 posted on 04/22/2008 9:33:45 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

It is normal for a large city to have both great wealth and poverty. Name one that doesn’t. American cities have never been exceptions to this.

Of course LA does have major problems - crime, pollution, lack of transit, dealing with illegals, homelessness, gangs, etc.


34 posted on 04/22/2008 9:41:51 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: La Enchiladita
I was also born and raised in Southern California. I am 47 years old. I have watched as southern California, especially LA, Santa Ana (and other parts of Orange County), Large parts of Riverside and San Bernardino counties have been turned into virtual slums by the hordes of illegal aliens who refuse to assimilate into our culture.

This all started in the 1980s when the state apparently decided it was not going to do anything about Illegal Aliens. Before then, all the construction jobs were done by Americans and most of the service related jobs were done by American Teens. I know this because I had those jobs.

My observations, my family's observations, my friends observations have all been consistently the same, LA is akin to a third-world country.

You may have not noticed the difference because you grew up with it.

I had the privilege to see how great the state of California was before it was soiled by the Illegal Aliens.

And it is still my hope, however dim, that at some point, this state may return to it's greatness.

It will never attain that greatness, however, without removing those who have willingly and with total disregard violated our laws in terms of both felonies and misdemeanors.

35 posted on 04/22/2008 9:42:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

I’ve been to a few third world cities and I’ve been to LA a couple of times, but the last time was 1985.

I bet if I went back, I’d see a lot more to remind me of third cities now than I did in 1985.


36 posted on 04/22/2008 9:42:59 PM PDT by Will88
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To: SoConPubbie

“I had the privilege to see how great the state of California was before it was soiled by the Illegal Aliens.”

California was the Golden State, the place most every American teen felt he or she had to visit while young, at least that’s how it was through about the late seventies.

I don’t hear it referred to as that dreamy place everyone should visit so much anymore.

And, I always heard they had the nations best schools, at least in earlier times.


37 posted on 04/22/2008 9:47:00 PM PDT by Will88
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To: SoConPubbie

I was born before you were. And, isn’t it interesting how none of my native L.A. friends think of this as a 3rd world city. I guess we just run in different circles.

I have seen changes here, of course. I am not blind. I sense a supercilious tone in your posts to me.

Every city on earth has changed over time, especially over the past half century. It is inevitable.


38 posted on 04/22/2008 9:49:55 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Yeah, “first rate infrastructure” that will slowly crumble as the 3rd world masses continue to overtake Los Angeles and all of Southern California. And I’m sorry dear, but I have lived here since the 60’s, and I have seen the overwhelmingly negative impact that latino immigrants have had on this area and it is a huge shame. The finest region of America, ceded to a group that brings little positive value to the table, while helping themselves to illegally secured government largesse.


39 posted on 04/22/2008 9:51:39 PM PDT by raptor29
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To: buck jarret

Transit, for one thing, is improving.... mainly because of the new rail lines. More are being planned, and buses have expanded hours and frequency of service.


40 posted on 04/22/2008 9:53:07 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: Will88
And, I always heard they had the nations best schools, at least in earlier times.

They aren't anymore. They are staggering under the load of the children of Illegal Aliens who are 1,2,3, or even 4 years behind their peers. So teachers spend all their time and most of their energy trying to get them up to grade level and the children who are natural born US citizens of US citizen parents cannot get a decent education.

It really is a shame. California, much like you stated, used to be the best place in the world to grow up in.
41 posted on 04/22/2008 9:53:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: skeptoid

Anita Hill never in her life spoke truth to power.

Juanita Broddrick however, certainly did.


42 posted on 04/22/2008 9:58:26 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Duncan D Hunter for President ... 2012?)
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To: La Enchiladita
I sense a supercilious tone in your posts to me.

LOL, you are funny!
43 posted on 04/22/2008 9:59:04 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: raptor29

Oh okay, you can see into the future and our infrastructure will crumble, but you don’t deny that we have it now. Third world countries and cities do not. It’s that simple. L.A. is not a third world city, no matter what the British newspaper says. Perhaps they should look at their own cities.


44 posted on 04/22/2008 10:01:33 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: SoConPubbie

You proved my point.


45 posted on 04/22/2008 10:02:40 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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To: traumer

Two years ago that guy and all of his buddies were being besieged by mortgage lenders who were willing to throw money at them no questions asked and no collateral required. Is it any wonder the foreclosure rate has more than tripled since the same time last year?


46 posted on 04/22/2008 10:02:49 PM PDT by DryFly
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To: La Enchiladita

LA really is becoming more like Mexico daily.

Seriously, it is.

Eventually, it probably will be Mexico.

The Mexicans certainly see it, as theirs. Some actually say it, right out loud. The rest believe it.

You can see it, in their eyes. They’re taking the state back for Mexico - and eventually that will involve throwing out the Gringos.

They’re preparing for that day, eventually.

It will come. I’m planning to move soon. It no longer feels welcoming, or safe here.


47 posted on 04/22/2008 10:03:05 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Duncan D Hunter for President ... 2012?)
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To: La Enchiladita
You proved my point.

Sure I did.
48 posted on 04/22/2008 10:03:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; La Enchiladita

La Enchiladita knows this as well.

Everyone with a scintilla of any experience and intelligence can see that day coming.


49 posted on 04/22/2008 10:04:53 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: La Enchiladita

I only need to look at Mexico, to see how that country has deteriorated over the years to know where Los Angeles will end up. The same people are the primary contributors to the downgrading of both areas.


50 posted on 04/22/2008 10:07:23 PM PDT by raptor29
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