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Bear gave off no reasons for concern before trainer's death
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Posted on 04/23/2008 4:47:39 AM PDT by period end of story

BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. - The grizzly bear that wrestled Will Ferrell's character in the recent film "Semi-Pro" seemed to obediently follow cues — which made its killing of its trainer with a bite to the neck all the more stunning.

Three experienced handlers were working with the grizzly Tuesday at the Predators in Action wild animal training center when the bear attacked Stephan Miller, 39, said San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers.

Stephan Miller is the cousin of training center owner Randy Miller, she said.

Pepper spray was used to subdue and contain the bear, and there were no other injuries, Beavers said. Paramedics arriving shortly after the initial emergency call around 3 p.m. were unable to revive Stephan Miller.

The Department of Fish and Game investigated the incident, but will not decide whether the bear will be euthanized because the attack occurred outside its jurisdiction during a training session on facility grounds, department spokesman Harry Morse told the San Bernardino Sun Tuesday.

Morse speculated that the county animal care officials may decide the bear's fate. A call placed early Wednesday to the county's Animal Care and Control Program was not answered.

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KEYWORDS: bear; booboobyyogi; bornfree; grizzly; semipro; treadwell; willferrell
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1 posted on 04/23/2008 4:47:39 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: period end of story

Bears are WILD animals.


2 posted on 04/23/2008 4:49:36 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Rocky the grizzly bear is seen at the Forever Wild animal sanctuary in Phelan, Calif. in Nov. 2007. The grizzly bear which appeared in a recent Will Ferrell movie killed a 39-year-old trainer with a bite to his neck Tuesday April 22, 2008 and had to be subdued with pepper spray. Three experienced handlers were working with the bear at Randy Miller's Predators in Action facility when the bear bit 39-year-old Stephan Miller on the neck, said San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers. (AP Photo/Christina Bush)

3 posted on 04/23/2008 4:50:23 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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Bear gave off no reasons for concern before trainer's death

Aside from the fact that it was... you know... a BEAR!

4 posted on 04/23/2008 4:50:29 AM PDT by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 8, 2008.)
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To: nmh

Uh huh.

Wild is as wild does.


5 posted on 04/23/2008 4:50:47 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: period end of story

Maybe they need to look up the meaning of the word “Predator”.


6 posted on 04/23/2008 4:53:06 AM PDT by Wolfie
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I’m sorry Stephan Miller died, but I am glad the animal control folks got the bear under control before he started trying to eat Beavers.
7 posted on 04/23/2008 4:53:21 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD teddy!...R.I.P.)
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To: gridlock

L0L!


8 posted on 04/23/2008 4:53:29 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: period end of story

It’s Bush’s fault!


9 posted on 04/23/2008 4:53:56 AM PDT by Wavrnr10
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To: period end of story
Guess he never heard of Timothy Treadwell.
10 posted on 04/23/2008 4:54:08 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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>>”A call placed early Wednesday to the county’s Animal Care and Control Program was not answered.”<<

Did Rocky get them too? Just wonerin.


11 posted on 04/23/2008 4:55:08 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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Maybe being around Will Ferrel drove it crazy. It would certainly have that affect on me.


12 posted on 04/23/2008 4:56:16 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: period end of story

One less moonbat who thinks Nature is like it is in movies such as Happy Feet and Brother Bear.


13 posted on 04/23/2008 4:56:24 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: TheWasteLand

Treadwell was pathological. This was different.


14 posted on 04/23/2008 4:59:23 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: period end of story
from The Scorpion and the Frog

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."


15 posted on 04/23/2008 4:59:38 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: period end of story; aculeus; dighton; martin_fierro; dead; Lazamataz
Predators in Action in Big Bear Lake?


16 posted on 04/23/2008 5:00:08 AM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Dang what a nice rug ol rocky would make..Bears don't kill people who respect them, but people who have no respect risk their lives and those around them.. Hiking in the Yukon I carried a 12 g with slugs thats respect. On the other hand:
Ol rocky just wanted a staring role in those Coke adds but the polar bear beat him out and he was outta sorts.
17 posted on 04/23/2008 5:01:44 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: period end of story
Treadwell was pathological. This was different.

Seemed to end the same. A dead guy and a pissed off bear.

18 posted on 04/23/2008 5:01:57 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: nmh
Grizzly Bears are Big WILD animals. Anyone that thinks you can make a pet out of one is soon to be in the gone category.
19 posted on 04/23/2008 5:04:12 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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No reasons were given off by the grizzly bear for killing his handler?

Talk about flawed logic? Isn't being a grizzly bear enough of a clue?

20 posted on 04/23/2008 5:07:32 AM PDT by blackdog
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Any human who willingly puts himself in a position where a bear can bite him is pathological. No animal that is capable of injuring a human should ever be trusted not to do so, including domestic animals such as bulls. Wild animals in particular should be left alone or if appropriate, shot.


21 posted on 04/23/2008 5:07:32 AM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: TheWasteLand

Treadwell’s girlfriend was also killed. He was basically asking for it. He was a misguided fool, who thought he could live with bears in the wild.

Stephan Miller helped to train the bear, it was his job, and he knew the dangers.


22 posted on 04/23/2008 5:08:19 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: tickmeister
No animal that is capable of injuring a human should ever be trusted not to do so, including domestic animals such as bulls. Wild animals in particular should be left alone or if appropriate, shot.

What about dogs?

23 posted on 04/23/2008 5:10:22 AM PDT by period end of story
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will not decide whether the bear will be euthanized

WHY kill a wild animal for acting wild? Outrageous.

24 posted on 04/23/2008 5:12:04 AM PDT by montag813
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Treadwell’s girlfriend was also killed. He was basically asking for it. He was a misguided fool, who thought he could live with bears in the wild.

Stephan Miller helped to train the bear, it was his job, and he knew the dangers.

Not to offend any bear trainers out there, but I question whether someone who chooses to "train" bears for a living isn't a little misguided.

25 posted on 04/23/2008 5:12:28 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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If a grizzly bear has my neck in his mouth, by all means, PLEASE use bullets, not pepper spray. It just might give me a better chance at living. Just sayin’.


26 posted on 04/23/2008 5:13:07 AM PDT by Squeako (Obama because he's black, Clinton because she's a woman, McCain because he's a Vet/POW. No thanks.)
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To: TheWasteLand
Not to offend any bear trainers out there, but I question whether someone who chooses to "train" bears for a living isn't a little misguided.

I hear ya.

27 posted on 04/23/2008 5:15:14 AM PDT by period end of story
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Dogs are a little different. One, you have thousands of years of breeding by humans to get desirable traits in their dogs. Two, even the largest of dog breeds tops out around 150 pounds, maybe a little bigger in extreme exceptions. This bear was 7 and 1/2 feet and weighed 700 pounds. Let me write that again - 700 pounds. I don’t see how anyone could be sympathetic to this guy.


28 posted on 04/23/2008 5:16:57 AM PDT by strider44
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To: tickmeister
Forget limiting danger to wild animals. When we first started farming we thought it was nice to be personable and gentle with our stock. Then you turn your back and find yourself in the hospital. We avoid all contact with all the males. The more they are uneasy around you the safer you are. Never pet, touch, or speak to your livestock. Keep a loyal and tenacious stock dog by your side at all times.

I used to think it was funny when we had a real awnry suffolk ram who used to attack the tractor tires. One day he lined up on the front end like something Marlin Perkins would be thrilled by and smashed the grill, 20 gallon radiator, and oil cooler right thru the water pump housing/fan/and main pulley on the engine block. We promptly introduced him to a .410 between the eyes.

29 posted on 04/23/2008 5:17:16 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: period end of story; onguard

As I was saying on another thread - having to do with the mideast - think of this as a metaphor for making “peace” with the “Palestinians”, Hamas, etc. No matter how “nice” they seem to be they are always going to revert to form, probably sooner rather than later.


30 posted on 04/23/2008 5:21:53 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: strider44

700 pounds is a small grizzly. They usually top out around 1,100 pounds. From what I’ve heard from others who know animals, the last thing you want to do with a bear is use pepper spray. A 20,000 volt hot-stick would work better. It leaves them dazed and confused long enough to find your egress.


31 posted on 04/23/2008 5:22:44 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: period end of story

Quick, someone check to see if the bear was off his anti-depresents!!!


32 posted on 04/23/2008 5:27:15 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (I'm a conservative first. Republican second.)
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“Predators in Action wild animal training center”

Key words: “Predators in Action”

Wild animals can be trained to some extent, but at some point instinct takes over. It’s just a matter of time.


33 posted on 04/23/2008 5:28:15 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: strider44
I don’t see how anyone could be sympathetic to this guy.

I have sympathy for him, even though it's a silly occupation. Occasionally an elephant or tiger will go go on a rampage and kill their trainer/owner. These people know the inherent risks they take by getting so close to these animals. Life is a risk: it's even deadly, to us all.

34 posted on 04/23/2008 5:30:33 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: Abbeville Conservative

A bear on prozac.......And a few hundred mg of amphetamines for his ADD and you’ve got a bear regulated for grade school. That is until he smells the fish sticks in the lunchroom.


35 posted on 04/23/2008 5:30:46 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Squeako

Human with a little pepper? Yum Yum!


36 posted on 04/23/2008 5:31:40 AM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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It’s too bad that the trainer was attacked and killed, but that a danger the trainer always knew was present. As far as the bear goes, kill it. It will attack again if it remains in captivity and will no doubt either starve or become an even bigger problem if let go in the wild once it finds it’s way back to humans.


37 posted on 04/23/2008 5:41:35 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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It’s too bad that the trainer was attacked and killed, but that’s a danger the trainer always knew was present. As far as the bear goes, kill it. It will attack again if it remains in captivity and will no doubt either starve or become an even bigger problem if let go in the wild once it finds it’s way back to humans.


38 posted on 04/23/2008 5:42:14 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: period end of story

I can’t determine from the story that the bear actually attacked the guy. At 700 lbs. he might have just been playing. Among mammals some biting is done for affection. When an animal is this big a little too rough playing could prove fatal to a human. Just a thought.


39 posted on 04/23/2008 5:49:18 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: TheWasteLand

In Treadwell’s case it also resuted in a full bear. He ate Treadwell and his girlfriend.


40 posted on 04/23/2008 5:50:27 AM PDT by saganite
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To: RichInOC

Eat Beavers? HAHAHAHA!


41 posted on 04/23/2008 5:51:01 AM PDT by whipitgood (Neither of, by, nor for the people any longer...)
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Pepper spray? Reminds me of this old joke....
The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING in the national forests for this summer. They’re urging everyone to protect themselves by wearing bells and carrying pepper spray.

Campers should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity, and they should be able to tell the difference between Black Bear dung and Grizzy Bear dung.

Black Bear dung is rather small and round. Sometimes you can see fruit seeds and/or squirrel fur in it.

Grizzly Bear dung has bells in it, and smells like pepper spray!


42 posted on 04/23/2008 6:01:59 AM PDT by Bassfire (freepin with a smile)
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To: blackdog

LOLOL

I can see the teacher’s review:
“Buster the Bear seems to have trouble with impulsive behavior in the cafeteria. Other than that, he is a model student and has asked to visit the maimed lunch workers as a therapy bear.”


43 posted on 04/23/2008 6:04:38 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: ontap
I can’t determine from the story that the bear actually attacked the guy.

Apparently it was a single bite to the neck.

44 posted on 04/23/2008 6:06:44 AM PDT by period end of story
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There’s a difference between a kumbayah tree hugger who thinks bears are “cute” and someone who has a job to do.

Training wild animals for the movies is a job. The good ones always understand it is dangerous. Like Rush says, paraphrased, a bear is a bear is a bear.

Prayers for his family.


45 posted on 04/23/2008 6:15:36 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: DogBarkTree

“One less moonbat who thinks Nature is like it is in movies such as Happy Feet and Brother Bear.”

I SERIOUSLY doubt this guy thought that way.


46 posted on 04/23/2008 6:26:38 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: period end of story
were working with the grizzly Tuesday at the Predators in Action wild animal training center

I guess they got a good example of a predator in action!

47 posted on 04/23/2008 6:33:35 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Wavrnr10
Nahhh..... This was caused by global warming Climate Change. But since that is Bush's fault, I guess you were correct to begin with...
48 posted on 04/23/2008 6:35:57 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: strider44

A typical male can weigh 45.4-90.8+ kilograms (100-200+ pounds), a typical female would weigh 45.4-72.6+ kilograms (100-160+ pounds).

Guinness Book of World Records recognizes a mastiff from England named Zorba as the heaviest dog in the world, at over 315lb (142.8 kg).[1] Zorba stood 37 inches (94 cm) at the shoulder and was 8 feet 3 inches (251 cm) from the tip of his nose to the tip of his tail. Zorba set this record in November 1989, when he was 8 years old, and about the size of a small donkey.

49 posted on 04/23/2008 6:41:09 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: period end of story

Bears can not be trusted! They are wild animals. This cute cuddly stuff will get more people killed.


50 posted on 04/23/2008 6:44:26 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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