$1500 for a M4 at the volume that the DOD buys them is a HUGE rip off.
posted on 04/23/2008 1:17:21 PM PDT
I never liked that little finger groove under the trigger guard.
Or is that not what they meant by criticism of Colt’s grip?
Wow, you’re right. $1500 is waay too much. Of course, now some knucklehead will want our guns made in China to save money, just like they did with the uniforms.
posted on 04/23/2008 1:22:24 PM PDT
(Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
Well, there are all sorts of alternatives now this article did not even mention.
Piston based AR uppers from LWRC and Patriot Ordnance Factory.
The new Magpul/Bushmaster Masada ACR.
posted on 04/23/2008 1:23:46 PM PDT
I’d like to see a piston-style weapon like the XCR or the new Magpul Masada, rather than the M-16 style direct gas impingement system. I’d also like to see it in something very similar to the 6.5 Grendel:
The 6.8 Rem wasn’t thought out the way it should have been, the Grendel is much more versatile and better at long range.
posted on 04/23/2008 1:25:05 PM PDT
"Colt's grip on military rifle criticized"
Personally I never had a problem with it since they added that little finger shelf on the A2...
posted on 04/23/2008 1:27:11 PM PDT
by Joe 6-pack
(Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
“$1500 for a M4 at the volume that the DOD buys them is a HUGE rip off.”
Not really...we supply parts to Colt for the M4. High precision machined parts don’t come cheap.
Bush's ties to Hallibu....oh wait....
Bush's ties to Big Oi.....oh wait....
Bush's ties to the NRA.. yea that's the ticket.. BUSH'S TIES TO THE NRA!
posted on 04/23/2008 1:40:59 PM PDT
(It may be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others)
"The XM8 would cost less and operate far longer without being lubricated or cleaned than the M4 could, Heckler & Koch promised." We heard that shit about the M-16 when it first came out too. Then the Army changed the specs so that the barrels didn't have a chrome lining and changed the powder used in the ammo. Guess what? US soldiers died because the rifle that was fielded wasn't as designed originally, nor as tested. We should learn a lesson from that one. Further, NO foreign procurement on this one. Made and manufactured here in the USA. 100% of it. We just cannot afford to be beholden to another government for our primary weapons.
I own an AR and know several guys who have carried the M-16 and M-4 in Iraq. Keep it clean and it works fine. And yes there is a place for heavier arms like 7.62 caliber. One size does not fit all.
Personally, I'd say let's test field a change in the upper with a 6.5mm round and a different gas system. Try it before we buy in quantity.
posted on 04/23/2008 1:47:09 PM PDT
(He who has the guns makes the rules)
U.S. military officials don't agree.
Of course not, they know where they can get a good job when they retire.
It is way past time to let the M16/M4 die a slow death.
posted on 04/23/2008 1:56:16 PM PDT
(What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
So was/is that piece of crap jam-in-the-sand Barretta but we were still issued that crap for way too long.
posted on 04/23/2008 2:40:26 PM PDT
(Todays politicians living proof why we need have a second amendment to the constitution.)
Repost. There are a couple of big threads on this from a few days ago.
posted on 04/23/2008 5:57:32 PM PDT
(<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
I'm interested in the KRISS .45 cal system of re-vectoring recoil down instead of back into the shooters shoulder. This may have some real benefits in using larger caliber rounds and still maintaining control on rounds going down-range.
posted on 04/23/2008 6:02:38 PM PDT
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