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To: bruinbirdman

They can try, but iron and clay don’t mix.


2 posted on 04/23/2008 4:04:53 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

Assuming this really originated from Brussels and not Scrappleface, it’s time for the English to revive the old penalties for treason. Hanging, drawing, quartering.

See Braveheart for the gory details, and the account of the Gunpowder Plot in The Lion and the Throne: The Life and Times of Sir Edward Coke : 1552-1634, by Catherine Drinker Bowen, for the symbolism.

I suspect that this was the original meaning of “cruel and unusual punishment” in the Constitution. Not, say, depriving a prisoner of TV.


16 posted on 04/23/2008 4:54:37 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: AndyTheBear
Interesting that you should put it that way. Remember Dan. 2:33? The feet of Nebuchadnezer's image were "part of iron, part of clay."

I liked your profile, btw. Even though I am not an emergent evolutionist, I trow we are probably closer to being on the same page as not.

I interpret the 7 days of creation in this fashion:

In order to wean the Israelites away from the idolatry, esp the heliolatry, of the Egyptians, Moses explained the 7 ritual days of the New Year's festival in light of strict monotheism. Thus, there is the Hebrew tohu wabohu, "without form and void", but it is not equivalent to the boundlessness and imperceptibility identified in the Egyptian creation myths as the divine pair Huh and Amun. There is light on the first day, but it is not Atum-Re. There is water but the water is not divine like the Egyptian god Nun and his consort, the goddess Nauhet. There is a separation of the primal waters from the primordial mound of earth, but Atum-Re does not sit upon it and call forth the four frogs and the nine Enneads, who, in turn, are responsible for further acts of creation. In Moses' account, the sun disk is not Aton-Re, but merely one of the heavenly bodies. Man is created by YHVH-Elohim out of the dust of the earth, but he is not fashioned by the ram-god Khnum on a potter's wheel.

I think my interpretation of the 7 days of creation does justice to the text, and does not fall into the trap of a literalism that cannot be sustained by the evidence of modern science. The timeline of the Archbishop Ussher, favored by many evangelicals, falls apart even under a cursory examination of the archaeological evidence. A flood occuring c.2400 B.C. would have obliterated any evidence of the archaeological record for Egypt prior to then, yet that record is relatively intact and unbroken from the Fayum (c. 5000 B.C.) through the proto-dynastic (3100 B.C.), Old Kingdom (2400 B.C.), all the way to the present--one continuous, unbroken record of cultural development.
21 posted on 04/23/2008 5:17:43 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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