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POLYGAMIST RANCH
The Dallas Morning News ^ | 4-23-08 | Robert T. Garrett and Karen Brooks

Posted on 04/23/2008 4:49:36 PM PDT by Politicalmom

SAN ANGELO, Texas – The first of more than 400 children taken from a polygamist compound boarded buses Tuesday bound for 16 emergency shelters, children's homes and foster care agencies throughout the state, including two in North Texas.

As the buses rolled out, the children eagerly waved and smiled at television cameras. Lawyers inside the San Angelo Coliseum who were meeting with their adult or child clients said authorities allowed no one in or out while the children, 114 of them by day's end, were loaded onto the buses.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: antimormon; childabuse; flds; mormonbashing; polygamy; yfzranch
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"And around 10 pregnant girls – including a 14-year-old – will go to a group home in San Antonio."
1 posted on 04/23/2008 4:49:36 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: NYpeanut; the808bass; brytlea; pandoraou812; ricks_place; CindyDawg; Huntress; Pebcak; ...

PING!!

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2 posted on 04/23/2008 4:50:06 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: Politicalmom

“POLYGAMIST RANCH”... great band name!


3 posted on 04/23/2008 4:50:37 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Politicalmom
the children eagerly waved and smiled at television cameras.

They don't seem too distraught to me.

4 posted on 04/23/2008 4:50:49 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Politicalmom
so it isn't best that the children are kept (in some kind of custody, if necessary) with their mothers. No, the STATE wants to ship them off to shelters and homes. That will really be good for them.

It'll certainly prepare them for life in society.

5 posted on 04/23/2008 4:51:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (media is now a double-edged sword; it's no longer a billy-club in the hands of the big goons.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
“POLYGAMIST RANCH”...

More like salad dressing...

6 posted on 04/23/2008 4:52:09 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (media is now a double-edged sword; it's no longer a billy-club in the hands of the big goons.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Number one, they may not even BE their mothers, and number two, what kind of “mother” hands her little girl over to an old drooling man to rape?


7 posted on 04/23/2008 4:54:02 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"POLYGAMIST RANCH"... great band name!

Bill Clinton would probably think it was a "gentleman's club."

8 posted on 04/23/2008 4:54:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
You all know there's already a DNA sample report on hand for Billzo, the ol' horndog in chief his-self.

If he shows up in any of these tests as a baby-daddy............

9 posted on 04/23/2008 4:55:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Politicalmom
whoooaoaooaoaoaaoa hoe-hoe.

I'm headline surfing. I do not follow stories like this.

10 posted on 04/23/2008 4:56:12 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (media is now a double-edged sword; it's no longer a billy-club in the hands of the big goons.)
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To: humblegunner
They don't seem too distraught to me.

So, you know every emotion, history, and soul of these children?

I knew kids from the house next to me who would smile at me and wave.

We later learned their father was so abusive he would take their little hands and hold them under hot water as punishment. He was later arrested.

A greater argument can logically be made that after 2+ weeks out of that abusive atmosphere, the children are on the road to being children again.

11 posted on 04/23/2008 5:04:57 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: SkyPilot
So, you know every emotion, history, and soul of these children?

Obviously not, but kids who are pining away to return to cult-land
generally do not smile and wave when transported farther away from it.

12 posted on 04/23/2008 5:09:57 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Politicalmom
This, from the story:

And around 10 pregnant girls – including a 14-year-old – will go to a group home in San Antonio.

13 posted on 04/23/2008 5:10:42 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Politicalmom

14 posted on 04/23/2008 5:10:45 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Politicalmom
Somebody knows.... where does the $$$ (money) come from ... this is a business of significant proportion.

Isn't there a curious soul thinking about the cash flow?

15 posted on 04/23/2008 5:13:42 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Politicalmom

So much for those who said claims of there being any children under (18, then it was 16) who were pregnant.


16 posted on 04/23/2008 5:15:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Politicalmom

plhhhh, plhhhh.

So much for those who said claims of there being any children under 16 pregnant, were just the ravings of lunatics.


17 posted on 04/23/2008 5:17:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2; Politicalmom

Starting a pool here ~ let’s say it’s not Bill Clinton who’s the missing baby daddy, but maybe Warren Jeffs was insuring his patrimony through a series of timely “interventions”.


18 posted on 04/23/2008 5:17:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Politicalmom

BTW, Thank you for posting this latest information.


19 posted on 04/23/2008 5:21:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: SkyPilot; Politicalmom; The Invisible Hand; humblegunner; PetroniusMaximus

When the story first broke, we were lied to and continue to be lied to. But the way the authorities are handling this is horrible beyond belief! Why didn’t they round up all the MEN?! Is this America?!

To be fair, they should go into all the ghettos and hell holes in America and take the babies away from all moms under the age of 17 - and they are legion - arrest all the teenage moms in America and let the older men who impregnated them go scott free.

This is so disgusting! And the “abused girl” who started it all is a 33 year old nut job who is known for filing false reports. What has happened to my America? These people are using the Constitution for toilet paper.

Planned Parenthood aborts the evidence of older men getting teenage girls pregnant and society turns a blind eye and deaf ear.

It is evil evil evil to take these children away from their mothers. What on earth is happening here? They were going to take the nursing babies from their mothers until someone filed a restraining order. For God’s sake!! Then that creepy evil judge decided to only take the babies who are 12 months and older away from nursing mothers. Some babies nurse until they are 15 months or two years old.

These children are going to be destroyed. Some will be abused and ruined in creepy foster homes.

This is monstrous! The men at the ranch volunteered to all leave if they would let the women and children return. But oh, no, the state has to show its muscle.

This is sick and evil.


20 posted on 04/23/2008 5:21:55 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: muawiyah

“but maybe Warren Jeffs was insuring his patrimony through a series of timely “interventions”.

But that wouldn’t explain why he was buggering his male nephew.


21 posted on 04/23/2008 5:23:25 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: humblegunner
Obviously not, but kids who are pining away to return to cult-land generally do not smile and wave when transported farther away from it

I think we may not understand each other. I agree that the FLDS is a cult - and these children are happy to be taken away from it.

If I misunderstood the intention of your first post, I offer my sincere apology to you.

22 posted on 04/23/2008 5:23:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: UCANSEE2

Why, to practice up for jail, of course.


23 posted on 04/23/2008 5:24:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Saundra Duffy

My, my, my.

What to say?

.......

Can I have your car?


24 posted on 04/23/2008 5:26:52 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Saundra Duffy
What? Must be a different story than the one the rest of us have been following.

Besides, bet you don't have any relatives in this group, nor have you been a member.

The Conservative position is that there's no room for slavery in America, and this is as good a place to start as any.

Maybe we can get the leftwingtards to go down in the ghettos to help out (rather than just buy dope).

25 posted on 04/23/2008 5:28:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Saundra Duffy
What? Must be a different story than the one the rest of us have been following.

Besides, bet you don't have any relatives in this group, nor have you been a member.

The Conservative position is that there's no room for slavery in America, and this is as good a place to start as any.

Maybe we can get the leftwingtards to go down in the ghettos to help out (rather than just buy dope).

26 posted on 04/23/2008 5:28:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“Why, to practice up for jail, of course.”

LOL!

You know, I wonder if what they say is true?

Adults who molest their children, were molested themselves.

Big Daddy Rulon Jeffs may have been having his way with little Warren.


27 posted on 04/23/2008 5:29:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: SkyPilot

Can someone tell me why they didn’t round up all the men? Cowards! This reminds me of when the Nazis rounded up all the Jews and put them on trains - separating families because of their religious preference.

I thought it was interesting they dumped all the children in a “coliseum” - you know THUMBS DOWN to the religious people.

The nanny state has gone berserk!! I don’t care what any of you say. It is downright evil to rip these children away from their mothers.

And why do we allow teenage girls all over the U.S. to get pregnant by old geezers and noone cares?


28 posted on 04/23/2008 5:30:41 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s supposed to be one of those things that does get handed down. Be neat to get the secret minutes of the LDS Presidency regarding the planning for execommunicating these pukes. Bet they knew some stuff eh.


29 posted on 04/23/2008 5:31:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Saundra Duffy
It is evil evil evil to take these children away from their mothers.

It is more evil evil evil for these "mothers" to teach their daughters that it
is expected of them to "marry" some nasty old geezer when they are 14 years old.

30 posted on 04/23/2008 5:31:40 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Saundra Duffy

Welcome back Sandra.

Either you have been absent, or you have been remarkably quiet until now on this issue.


31 posted on 04/23/2008 5:33:06 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: muawiyah

“The Conservative position is that there’s no room for slavery in America”

The conservative position is one of FREEDOM AND LIBERTY! Rounding up over 400 innocent children and dumping them in foster homes is not my idea of a conservative’s solution. I say arrest all those men!

What they are doing to those children is beyond evil.


32 posted on 04/23/2008 5:33:35 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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"And why do we allow teenage girls all over the U.S. to get pregnant by old geezers and noone cares?"

Sorry, the "everyone does it" defense has already been tried.

Next?

33 posted on 04/23/2008 5:34:55 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Hmm, why do I allow pregnant girls to get pregnant? That's a question for the ages.

Maybe we could get them to start wearing those stainless steel stickpins in appropriate places eh ~ then let a fashion statement of lawless independence take its toll.

Yes, that's what I'll do ~ now, to check with some photographers to come up with some good advertising copy.

But, back to the main question ~ why didn't they round up the men?

Well, the men were not minor children for one. Secondly, although there are some criminal charges coming, there were no warrants to arrest the men. And, thirdly, most of the men skedaddled! Yup, they done run away ~ a' headt of the Sheriff man. Oh, yes, they did. They knew something was up, and with the F(lds) it's wimmin 'n chillun first!

34 posted on 04/23/2008 5:35:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pointsal

From what I have heard a substantial amount of their money comes from welfare.


35 posted on 04/23/2008 5:35:59 PM PDT by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: Saundra Duffy

They had to round up all those children in order to prove that a crime was committed. No under age girl, no crime.


36 posted on 04/23/2008 5:36:30 PM PDT by Eva (CHANGE - the new euphemism for Marxist revolution)
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To: muawiyah

“Bet they knew some stuff eh.”

Had to know.

Bet none of this would have happened, had they moved the FLDS splinter group to AFRICA, instead of TEXAS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2006018/posts


37 posted on 04/23/2008 5:36:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Saundra Duffy

It’s not evil at all. The children are simply in a state of custody transfer. In many cases, provided their parents can identify themselves, the children will be returned in due course. Now if the people who claim they are the parents can’t identify themselves that’s a whole ‘nuther story.


38 posted on 04/23/2008 5:37:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: UCANSEE2

So you think it’s OK for some old disgusting uncle or step father to get a teenage girl pregnant - no price to pay? Why is this situation any different? All over America, old creepy men are banging teenage girls and getting them pregnant. In some cultures in America, teenage girls are encouraged by their own mothers to get pregnant by old creeps so they can collect welfare. Why don’t they go round up all those women and children? Why have they zeroed in on these people with such vicious force? Think about it.

I don’t get you guys. Someone must want that ranch land pretty bad.


39 posted on 04/23/2008 5:38:12 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Don’t ping me with your ravings.

It’s weird that all the people who keep whinging about “due process” and the constitution keep saying all the men should have been rounded up.


40 posted on 04/23/2008 5:38:22 PM PDT by Politicalmom (The children were taken because they were either being raised to be raped, or raised to be a rapist.)
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To: muawiyah

“the children will be returned in due course”

It’s too late; a done deal. The children are doomed to be destroyed by the state, ripped from their mothers, and dumped in foster homes where people are paid by you and me to abuse and exploit them.

Are you for rounding up all the children of teenage girls all over America who have been impregnated by older men? If not, why not.


41 posted on 04/23/2008 5:40:27 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: UCANSEE2
Read that article earlier. They go through this stuff every now and then, and the rumor travels throughout the whole of the continent in no time thanks to radio.

The core of the COTFB (Church of the First Born) congregations that I'm most interested in relocated to Alaska in the 1930s. Due to the shortage of women they apparantly had to compete for attention and in recent times seem to have forgotten most of their most ancient breeding customs.

I'm just guessing the F(lds) would be out of the polygamy business in less than a generation if they were relocated to the Tanana Valley to grow cabbages.

42 posted on 04/23/2008 5:42:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Saundra Duffy
I think it waaay worse not to even know which woman in the compound is your mother!

That's but one reason why CPS couldn't let any of the children go back to their hellhole of a home.

43 posted on 04/23/2008 5:44:14 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: Saundra Duffy
You're using the word "teenager" when the topic of conversation is "underage female".

No, we are not supporting the idea of rounding up all the 19 year old "adult" pregnant women.

44 posted on 04/23/2008 5:45:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Enosh

That’s not the only line in her post that has been tried before.


45 posted on 04/23/2008 5:47:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Do you have any concept of brainwashing? That’s what they do to these children, teaching them they have to marry and obey these old men, against their will, virtually making them slaves. That is different than teens in a free society getting pregnant of their own volition. It is standard operating procedure to remove children from a home where the child is suspected to be abused. They do not remove the abusive parents from the home. Charges against any abusive parents are pending.


46 posted on 04/23/2008 5:47:33 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Saundra Duffy; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; MHGinTN; Tennessee Nana; Elsie; Zakeet; ...
Whoa. Slow down.

I don't think I have received so many exclamation points in a post in a long time.

When the story first broke, we were lied to and continue to be lied to. But the way the authorities are handling this is horrible beyond belief!

I think the state of Texas has been brave, courageous, and has done a wonderful job given the circumstances of this mess. The citizens of Texas didn't create this monster. Don't shoot the messenger. If you want instant justice, or demand to know which child should be reunited with which mother - it can't be done right now. Even the FLDS mothers say they don't know which children are theirs. That is the reason for the judge ordering the DNA testing.

The state of Texas is being demanded to become King Solomon overnight. That is totally unreasonable when even the woman cannot tell authorities who their own children are.

Why didn’t they round up all the MEN?!

A very good question. The reason is evidence, and the law. Evidence is being gathered right now with interviews of the children and the mothers who will talk. Texas and CPS are being criticized for acting outside the law - and now you accuse them for not acting quickly enough. They really can't win.

And the “abused girl” who started it all is a 33 year old nut job who is known for filing false reports.

That has been proven to be completely false by the Associated Press. Read this FR Link.

Excerpt:

AP is the party that got the affidavit unsealed and this is on the AP website: "The false-reporting charge against Swinton stems from a February 911 call from a woman calling herself "Jennifer." The document said she claimed her father had locked her in her basement for days.....NOTE: JENNIFER not SARAH!

Planned Parenthood aborts the evidence of older men getting teenage girls pregnant and society turns a blind eye and deaf ear.

Abortion is sinful and wrong. That is a different subject than the fate of these children, and the FLDS cult.

It is evil evil evil to take these children away from their mothers. What on earth is happening here?

Baloney. What we do know (and this is even acknowledged by the FLDS) is that the mothers would allow their 13, 14, or 15 year old girls (not women you see) to be entered into the "Joy Book" meaning they were eligible for "marriage."

Justify that. I dare you.

These children are going to be destroyed.

So shall it be written by you? You are not God. I came from an abusive family. I survived - I was not destroyed. You are not God to declare them destroyed.

This is monstrous! The men at the ranch volunteered to all leave if they would let the women and children return. But oh, no, the state has to show its muscle. This is sick and evil.

The "men" at that ranch have complete control over these women and girls. Volunteered to leave? That was boob bait for the bubbas. Texas already told their lawyers they could not permit the children to go back into that abusive environment. The "men" only made that PR claim of false chivalry through their lawyers when they knew darn well Texas wouldn't act on it.

I am just trying to understand you, so this is why I ask this question. Are you LDS Sandra?

Thanks in advance.

47 posted on 04/23/2008 5:48:42 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Saundra Duffy
These children are going to be destroyed. Some will be abused and ruined in creepy foster homes.

Hmmmm I think we must disagree as I believe the FLDS are the abusers & creeps. I also think the judge is doing the best job she can with the pressure she is under. You do know some parents have fled so they don't have to give DNA? Ummm do you think that the reason might be that the children don't even belong to them? I sure do.

48 posted on 04/23/2008 5:53:11 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot............OUT ..)
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To: Politicalmom
the children eagerly waved and smiled at television cameras

they sound really broken up about no longer being perped by uncle carl

49 posted on 04/23/2008 5:53:31 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Saundra Duffy

As other posters have already stated, and tried to explain, you must have missed all the discussions on the other threads, and the programs on TV, and the information on websites on the internet, and stories in newspapers and magazines.

CPS took the children because of a complaint, a history of arrests and convictions for SEX WITH A MINOR, and the fact that when they went in with the search warrant, they found girls as young as 14 who had CHILDREN.

If the WOMEN and CHILDREN at the FLDS compound had IDENTIFIED who the father’s of these CHILDREN born of CHILDREN were, they would have been arrested.

As it was, the women and children refused to identify the men, refused to give their names, didn’t know their own birthday, didn’t know who their birth mothers even were.

The children were taken into custody so the STATE could do DNA tests to determine who the ‘FATHERS’ were.

Once that is done, and the tests are returned to LE and CPS, there will be arrests.

This hasn’t yet been completed.

The children were removed from the compound to ENSURE that the men could not ABUSE or RAPE them WHILE the testing is going on.

If you really want to know what is going on, just type FLDS into the SEARCH FUNCTION of FREE REPUBLIC and it will show you all the threads that are pertinent, and you can read to your heart’s content, and will then be an INFORMED individual.

Right now, you are just embarrassing yourself by your comments.


50 posted on 04/23/2008 5:56:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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