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Students suspended for buying swords on class trip
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | April 24, 2008 | From The Deer Stand

Posted on 04/24/2008 6:37:47 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand

Two students attending suburban St. Paul, Minnesota high schools were expelled last week after purchasing souvenir swords during a spring break choir trip in the United Kingdom. The students had packed the swords in boxes and used duct tape to secure the box for the trip back home. A chaperone found the boxes after the students left the store. The students were disciplined on their return home. One of the students, a 16-year-old sophomore at Eagan High School, was kicked out of school for the remainder of the school year. He purchased a set of three samurai swords for $60. The other student, a senior, was expelled from the School for Environmental Studies in Apple Valley. He also was dismissed for the remainder of the school year. Both schools said the students violated the zero tolerance policy for weapons. Attorney Amy Goetz, a founder of the St. Paul-based School Law Center, noted that too many students who simply make a mistake and do not intend to do harm get punished. Twin Cities talk radio, in discussing the story on Thursday morning, questioned whether confiscating the swords and not returning them constituted theft.


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1 posted on 04/24/2008 6:37:47 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: From The Deer Stand

I smell a HUGE LAWSUIT!.............and one which I’d actually agree with!................


2 posted on 04/24/2008 6:41:12 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Education for a nation of PC pansies.


3 posted on 04/24/2008 6:41:13 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: From The Deer Stand

A $20 Sword is a weapon?

I can buy non edged Swords (real steel) in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts even. These school administrators need to get a life.


4 posted on 04/24/2008 6:41:43 AM PDT by The_Repugnant_Conservative
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To: From The Deer Stand

Good grief, the way they are punishing kids these days I doubt I would even be eligible for parole yet if they had these rules back then.


5 posted on 04/24/2008 6:43:14 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: From The Deer Stand

We have a high school called “School for Environmental Studies” ???


6 posted on 04/24/2008 6:44:24 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: From The Deer Stand
He purchased a set of three samurai swords for $60.

That's it? What were they, plastic? Good grief. I'm looking at getting a bastard sword for $450 - battle ready and heavy.
7 posted on 04/24/2008 6:45:56 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: From The Deer Stand
Give them their swords back.

Apologize profusely.

Buy them each a Glock model 22 and an AR-15 for their inconvenience.

8 posted on 04/24/2008 6:51:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Secondhand Aztlan Smoke causes drug addiction obesity in global warming cancer immigrant terrorists.)
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To: arderkrag
If these swords are typical of what they sell in souvenir shops in Japan (and I suspect they are), they look really cool and make a nice display, usually a tsurugi (long sword), katana (short sword) and sometimes a dagger.

They have no edge and the steel is porous (non forged or hardended)-- meaning that if you actually tried to behead someone with it, the would-be victim would end up with a bruise on their neck and you'd end up with a broken display sword.

9 posted on 04/24/2008 6:54:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: Izzy Dunne; From The Deer Stand

“We have a high school called ‘School for Environmental Studies’ ???”

They probably thought he was going to cut down trees or butcher whales with them, thereby enraging mother Gaia and bringing down the curses of ozone depletion, global warming, and drowning polar bears. I would include a rain of frogs myself, but that’s just me.


10 posted on 04/24/2008 6:56:59 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

I guess the issue is the publik skool is paying for the transport of said students on the choir trip. Therefore they would be paying for transport of “weapons” and therefore the transport of the “weapons” would “violate” the zero tolerance policy they have.

Methinks the proper way to handle this would have been for the kids to find a way to independently ship the swords back to the US and not involve the busybody school.

I do think the school system way overreacted and some people should lose their jobs over this. Another way could have been found to handle the problem, but nobody apparently cared enough to try.


11 posted on 04/24/2008 6:57:16 AM PDT by sauropod (Forgive me Gore, for I have emitted.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Ah. Never cared for non-functional weapons.


12 posted on 04/24/2008 6:58:38 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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A $20 Sword is a weapon?

In 1990, I took my son to London. On the trip, he bought a replica Spanish pirate style pistol. Not only did it look 200 years old, but the opening was entirely sealed. You couldn't put a bullet in it if you tried.

We had it in our carry on luggage. Thankfully, they didn't confiscate it when they searched the luggage before boarding, but the stewardess took it and kept it with her the whole time.

btw - the stewardess also kept our Swiss Army knives (that we used for the fork and spoon) during the flight.

I guess if we did that now we'd both be in Guantanamo.

13 posted on 04/24/2008 7:00:44 AM PDT by radiohead (I stood up for Fred at the Iowa Caucus. Where were the rest of you so-called conservatives?)
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I have about 2 dozen swords. All live steel, all purchased in foreign countries. At least a couple of them were given to me as gifts.

I can’t even IMAGINE traveling someplace and not being able to purchase something like that and bring it home.

The school officials are dumbasses.


14 posted on 04/24/2008 7:02:06 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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Ah...so you are “hoarding” weapons and building an “arsonal”...

You are most likely also conservative...and might even believe in God...Big G...

Clearly a threat to the country...

*snicker*


15 posted on 04/24/2008 7:05:23 AM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
The school officials are dumbasses.

Oh, definitely. Nothing new about that, though.
16 posted on 04/24/2008 7:07:59 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: From The Deer Stand

I would be a bad chaperone because I would have asked to see them because I like stuff like that and then remind the boys to not pack in the carry on. When I worked in the school system I frequently bent the rules because I don’t believe in communism and sometimes kids need a break.


17 posted on 04/24/2008 7:12:38 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: From The Deer Stand

This is silly.

I bought two souvenir swords in Spain about 15 years ago. I took them aboard the return flight as a carry-on, too. Everyone in our group bought swords and carried them on board. (It was a company-paid trip; we worked in the tourism industry. It was popular to buy swords in Spain.)

If the swords these boys bought in the UK were anything like the swords I bought in Spain, they’re not weapons. They’re just decorative and not sharp at all, though they are heavy.


18 posted on 04/24/2008 7:13:37 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Bow to your academic overlords.


19 posted on 04/24/2008 7:15:30 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: From The Deer Stand
This is ridiculous. The students were not on US school property and can do what they please if it is legal.

The wussification of youth continues. Teach them that to even handle a "weapon" is evil. Teach them to bow to absurd authority.

And yes, for the realists among us, a $60 set of "samurai swords" is not actually a set of swords. I paid more than that for a wooden sword.

But the yoots must be taught absolute nonviolence. But don't actually hug each other, that is forbidden as well. Accept and obey.

20 posted on 04/24/2008 7:35:23 AM PDT by Sender ("Why is it that I can't just eat my waffle?" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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