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Now we Know, Marriage is Cost-Effective
MensNewsDaily.com ^ | April 23, 2008 | Carey Roberts

Posted on 04/24/2008 7:48:05 AM PDT by RogerFGay

It’s long been known that family break-up inflicts massive social costs on communities and children. But what about the burden it imposes on the American taxpayer?

It’s a proven fact that family dissolution places children at greater risk of poverty, mental and physical illness, juvenile delinquency, abuse, substance abuse, and educational failure. A few years ago Wade Horn, former director of the federal Administration for Children and Families, revealed, “My agency spends $46 billion per year operating 65 different social programs. If one goes down the list of these programs… the need for each is either created or exacerbated by the breakup of families and marriages.”

But what about the impact of heavier demands on the criminal justice system? Medical care services? And losses in tax revenues? At last we have a good idea of the answer.

Last week — Tax Day to be exact — the Institute for American Values released its ground-breaking report, “Taxpayer Costs of Divorce and Unwed Childbearing.” [www.americanvalues.org/html/coff_mediaadvisory.htm] Researched by economist Benjamin Scafidi, the document lays out an elegant four-step logic:

1. Anti-poverty programs like TANF, housing assistance, food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, etc. – family break-up is responsible for 32% of these programs’ costs.

2. Government programs for children such as Head Start, SCHIP, school breakfast programs, etc. – family dissolution causes 36% of these costs.

3. Justice system — 24% of crime is the result of childhood poverty.

4. Lost taxes – Newly employed workers would presumably pay taxes to the IRS (10% of wages), state and local government (11%), and FICA (15%).

Tally up the numbers and – voila! – the total taxpayer cost of fragile families comes out to $112 billion dollars a year. That’s billion with a B.

But what’s clear is these numbers vastly underestimate the financial impact of family break-down, in at least three ways.

When men marry, their wages go up 8-15%, thus increasing tax revenues.

Second, children who grow up in a single-parent household are at greater risk of health problems and sexual promiscuity. Even if they don’t fall into the clutches of poverty, they will likely call upon federally-subsidized programs to render medical help and care for their children.

And single elderly women are four times more likely to be warehoused in a nursing home, compared to their married counterparts. That places an enormous burden on Medicaid.

In one respect, though, the Institute for American Values report is flawed. To encourage persons to marry, IAV proposes “marriage-strengthening programs.” But touting the marriage education Band-aid is like saying we can fix a broken welfare system by teaching teenage moms to refrain from sex.

The reason for plummeting marriage rates, of course, is not a dearth of marriage education. The problem is tangle of laws and programs that weaken the role of marriage, marginalize fathers, and dangle incentives in front of women to leave their families.

Like the school curricula that teach gay marriage is morally equivalent to heterosexual union.

Like the no-fuss, no-fault divorce laws that allow partners to casually discard their sacred vows.

Like the gender studies programs that brainwash co-eds into believing marriage exploits women. (According to rad-fem Catherine MacKinnon: “Feminism stresses the indistinguishability of prostitution, marriage, and sexual harassment.”)

It’s the domestic violence programs, underwritten to the tune of $1 billion in federal money each year, that escalate partner conflict and prohibit couples counseling, all the while fostering contempt for men.

It’s ham-fisted child support programs that take away persons’ drivers’ licenses and toss low-income dads in jail.

It’s the deplorable Supreme Court Planned Parenthood v. Casey ruling that precludes a father from being informed about his partner’s plan to abort.

And it’s female empowerment programs like the federally-endorsed “Girl Power!” that undercut the role of families.

For years social and fiscal conservatives have co-existed in a sometimes uneasy alliance – call it a marriage of convenience if you will. “We’ll tolerate your musings on abortion and gay marriage, just so long as you don’t fool with our tax cuts and de-regulation plans,” the green-visored conservatives would say.

But now, both wings of conservatism have found common ground – restore the traditional family, rally around the needs of children, staunch the growth of social welfare programs, and save billions in taxpayer money.

Call it a match made in heaven.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bureaucracy; crime; education; families; family; feminism; foodstamps; homosexualagenda; liberalism; marriage; medicaid; plannedparenthood; poverty; prostitution; tax; taxes; welfare; wic

1 posted on 04/24/2008 7:48:06 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

That’s it. Outlaw divorce.


2 posted on 04/24/2008 7:53:15 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: RogerFGay

Wow. Lots of this could have been written by a fundy muslim.


3 posted on 04/24/2008 7:55:56 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Grunthor

I’d have to say that I don’t get what you mean. You’re posting comments like a reading comprehension challenged lefty; with an attention span that’s too short even to write what you think in one post.


4 posted on 04/24/2008 7:57:45 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay; Grunthor

Ease up, he’s really a poet.


5 posted on 04/24/2008 8:05:22 AM PDT by thulldud (Insanity: Electing John McCain again and expecting a different result.)
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To: RogerFGay
So the upshot here is that selfish, irresponsible women don't think they need a husband because they can just go "marry" the government instead?

For years social and fiscal conservatives have co-existed in a sometimes uneasy alliance – call it a marriage of convenience if you will. “We’ll tolerate your musings on abortion and gay marriage, just so long as you don’t fool with our tax cuts and de-regulation plans,” the green-visored conservatives would say.

But now, both wings of conservatism have found common ground – restore the traditional family, rally around the needs of children, staunch the growth of social welfare programs, and save billions in taxpayer money.

Wouldn't entitlement spending go UP if we banned abortion? Millions of new babies a year would need to be fed and cared for.

What are the odds that the people who conceived an unwanted child are responsible enough to take care of this on their own?

6 posted on 04/24/2008 8:11:15 AM PDT by ROP_RIP
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To: ROP_RIP

There’s the whole adoption aspect, but in all honesty, people are aren’t prepared for a baby in their lives shouldn’t be having sex to begin with.


7 posted on 04/24/2008 8:16:18 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: RogerFGay
When men marry, their wages go up 8-15%, thus increasing tax revenues.

A friend of mine is getting married in May. I'll have to ask him what he's going to spend his bonus on.

8 posted on 04/24/2008 8:25:11 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat

I found that quite surprising, and wonder if it’s a matter of backwards correlation. I mean - people with higher income may be in a better position to marry - not that their income increases because they marry. I quite frankly was able to spend more time working as a single guy and made quite a bit more money.


9 posted on 04/24/2008 8:30:28 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

“Like the no-fuss, no-fault divorce laws that allow partners to casually discard their sacred vows.”

I got one of these. We didn’t even need to put money in the pockets of lawyers. It was great, the entire hearing took 10 minutes. Was there fault? Sure but having the no-fault made the proceedings go a lot easier.

“Like the school curricula that teach gay marriage is morally equivalent to heterosexual union.”

I am no fan of gay anything but when this hit the schools around here, my kids came home and we discussed it. They were taught in school that every couple in love should be allowed to marry, based on fairness and equity. They were taught at home that the government ought to have no role in anyones’ marriage. The school flatly refused to bring morals into the equation.

“It’s the domestic violence programs, underwritten to the tune of $1 billion in federal money each year,”

Abused partners should have no escape?

“that escalate partner conflict and prohibit couples counseling, all the while fostering contempt for men.”

Pure opinion, but probably a degree of truth there.

“It’s ham-fisted child support programs that take away persons’ drivers’ licenses and toss low-income dads in jail.”

I pay my child support. It is not easy and I wish it was not as high as it is but I do not understand what you mean by “ham-fisted.” While I disagree that my CS should be so high, I was given a copy of the paperwork showing how they came to the decision that they did. Funny thing is, if my daughter decided to live with me, her mother would be paying even more than I do now. I have NO sympathy for the deadbeats that refuse to support their kids.


10 posted on 04/24/2008 8:32:53 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

There are currently about 100,000 adoptions per year, and about 1.2 million abortions.

Adoption is currently a huge mess (way too much red tape and expense IMO) so maybe deregulating the process could help. But at the end of the day, the adoption system would still be overwhelmed by 1.2 million new babies.

Also, most adoptive parents don’t want a minority child. Sometimes because they want their kid to look like them, sometimes for other reasons. Since minorities are disproportionately represented in the abortion stats, what do you do with all of those unwanted babies?


11 posted on 04/24/2008 8:33:17 AM PDT by ROP_RIP
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To: Grunthor
Wow. You really seem intent on dissing this article. If my impression is correct, you are in favor of arbitrary government intrusion and huge amounts of pork-barrel spending, regardless of the damage it does to individuals. Is that correct?

It may be difficult for me to see your point of view truly. I can tell that there are a lot of beliefs / opinions underlying what you're saying - but unless you state them, I'm just left to base my conclusions on what I know.
12 posted on 04/24/2008 8:41:24 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Grunthor; thulldud; ROP_RIP; Ultra Sonic 007; ivyleaguebrat

Oops. Just noticed that I erred when posting. I am not the author of this article. Does anyone know if I can contact someone to have it corrected?


13 posted on 04/24/2008 8:44:24 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: ivyleaguebrat

Uh-oh! The report involved David Blankenhorn and Ron Haskins. They have traditionally been openly anti-father and never saw an anti-family policy they didn’t like. Their job is to put a conservative pro-family spin on pork and arbitrary government intrusion.


14 posted on 04/24/2008 8:57:13 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Grunthor
That’s it. Outlaw divorce.

Better idea, make marriage mandatory.
If you're not married by one year after you leave school, ANY school - high school, trade school, college, etc - you go to prison.

15 posted on 04/24/2008 8:59:59 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: RogerFGay

“Like the school curricula that teach gay marriage is morally equivalent to heterosexual union.”

Hey Mabel, I know we been married for 20 years now, but I done heard that homo marriage is just as good as hetero so I’m leaving to try that out for a while. You take are of the kids.


16 posted on 04/24/2008 9:07:43 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Grunthor
I pay my child support. It is not easy and I wish it was not as high as it is but I do not understand what you mean by “ham-fisted.” While I disagree that my CS should be so high, I was given a copy of the paperwork showing how they came to the decision that they did. Funny thing is, if my daughter decided to live with me, her mother would be paying even more than I do now. I have NO sympathy for the deadbeats that refuse to support their kids.

Wait till she remarries and tells you that she's spending your CS payments on purses, shoes and other items for her. CS with no accountability for the $$$ is little more than permanent alimony

17 posted on 04/24/2008 9:23:50 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: Just another Joe
Reminds me of the fellow whose wife found him crying over the dinner table at 2 AM.

"What's the matter?", she asked.

"You remember the day before your sixteenth birthday, when your daddy caught us in the back seat of my car, and he told me that I had a choice to either marry you or go to jail for 25 years?"

"Yes, I remember."

"Well, I would have got out today."

18 posted on 04/24/2008 9:31:00 AM PDT by thulldud (Insanity: Electing John McCain again and expecting a different result.)
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To: gracesdad

Actully, the Massachussetts Supreme Court decided that same-sex marriage is better than real marriage, much better. One of the reasons was that there were a lot of divorces resulting from real marriage, and none on record from same-sex marriage. The fact that there was no such thing as same-sex marriage and therefore no way to legally get a divorce from one did not figure into their analysis.


19 posted on 04/24/2008 9:36:43 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Centurion2000; Grunthor
I think Grunthor is just being a contrarien. Oddly enough, he might be accidentally right to doubt the credibility of the report that the article is based on. David Blankenhorn and Ron Haskins were involved in the report. These two guys have been openly anti-father and never saw an anti-family policy they didn't like. Their job is to put conservative, pro-family spin on pork and arbitrary government intrusion.

His CS payments are too high - but it's ok because they showed him how they did it! You must suspect by now that ... well, it's hard to believe anyone is really that stupid ... he's putting us on.
20 posted on 04/24/2008 9:41:15 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

“If my impression is correct, you are in favor of arbitrary government intrusion and huge amounts of pork-barrel spending, regardless of the damage it does to individuals. Is that correct?”

Your impression is incorrect. I am in favor of as little government as possible in almost every case. Is it possible to have a negative amount of government?


21 posted on 04/24/2008 10:18:36 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Just another Joe

Better idea, make marriage mandatory.

If you’re not married by one year after you leave school, ANY school - high school, trade school, college, etc - you go to prison.


Why support those deadbeats? Death penalty!


22 posted on 04/24/2008 10:19:43 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Centurion2000

Wait till she remarries and tells you that she’s spending your CS payments on purses, shoes and other items for her. CS with no accountability for the $$$ is little more than permanent alimony


This is not a possibility with my ex. One kid has already gone over 18 the other is going on 16 and they both have very big mouths. If their mother started spending that money on herself, I’d know pretty much immediately. As far as the re-marriage, won’t happen. She’s not the type to want to get tied down in another ltr and what do you mean by “permanent?” One of my daughters turned 18 and the support got cut by half, the other one will be 18 in a couple years and I am done with bleeding money. Some guys have to pay if the kid goes to college but both of mine are talking about the military so....I’m probably going to be lucky on that count.


23 posted on 04/24/2008 10:25:40 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Grunthor

And yet you defend big government pork-barrel programs that have destroyed Constitutional control - even while you are personally suffering from them.


24 posted on 04/24/2008 11:08:39 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

Marriage may be cost-effective, but atomizing families into their parts gives more for the custodial medical-industrial to charge, bill, and monitor.


25 posted on 04/24/2008 11:21:38 AM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: ROP_RIP

Also, most adoptive parents don’t want a minority child. Sometimes because they want their kid to look like them, sometimes for other reasons. Since minorities are disproportionately represented in the abortion stats, what do you do with all of those unwanted babies?

We adopt them. Wonderful healthy babies, turn into wonderful healthy children. I have been most fortunate.


26 posted on 04/24/2008 11:24:04 AM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: Chickensoup
Good summary. You should post that on the original site of the article. BTW: Stephen Baskerville makes such an argument is an extremely well researched and well written way (much longer than your summary) in Taken into Custody, the War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family.
27 posted on 04/24/2008 11:26:20 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Grunthor
Why support those deadbeats? Death penalty!

Well, naturally we would have to bring back the chain gangs.
We just update the concept of the chain gang for the actual date.
Someone that graduated from medical school that wasn't married could be the doctor for the other inmates.
Someone that didn't make it out of high school might be doing manual labor picking up garbage off the freeways.
A horticulturalist would, of course, be in charge of the prison farms.

Make 'em support themselves.

28 posted on 04/24/2008 12:50:24 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: RogerFGay

It is not either or. Having “some” government is not equal to having “big government pork-barrel programs.”


29 posted on 04/24/2008 1:30:14 PM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Just another Joe

LOL, bleeding heart.

(sarcasm)


30 posted on 04/24/2008 1:31:29 PM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Grunthor

Having big government pork barrel programs is not just some government - it’s having big government pork barrel programs. You have defended those.


31 posted on 04/24/2008 1:47:41 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

You are using extremism to advance your point. Not unheard of on the internet, just sad. Having DV counseling and shelters is not in and of itself “having big government pork barrel programs.”

Or would you simply prefer that the abused party take those vows to stay “until death do us part” more seriously?


32 posted on 04/24/2008 1:58:31 PM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: Grunthor
Portraying all men as evil and all women as victims is not a new trick. If you're such an extreme left-wing feminist, what are you doing at FR? Certainly I'm not promoting domestic abuse. And it's not helping your case when you present a straw man argument. I recognize such tactics.

I'm basing my comments on the facts. You are disregarding the extremism of what has and continues to happen. It is a fact that big government pork barrel programs have been advanced through greater arbitrary government intrusion. Creating arbitrarily high costs for individuals - such as your arbitrarily high child support order - requires setting aside individual rights that would protect you against an arbitrary order. You should note also that the arbitrarily high child support order is the result of federal law, and the federal government does not have constitutional authority to be involved at all.

So in order for all this to be true - and you know that it is true - there needed to be a suspension of constitutional rule. This was accomplished by the 9th Circuit Federal Appeals court (P.O.P.S. v Gardner) by reclassifying marriage and family law from civil law in state jurisdiction to "social policy." "Social policy" is an artificial classification created by the courts, not found in the constitution itself; which allows federal involvement and some control over the welfare system. Consider the logic of the welfare system. Someone receiving benefits does not have a fundamental constitutional right to challenge the level of benefits they receive; with the exception that every persion is "entitled" based on their situation (not on the basis of race, for example). That's why they're called entitlement programs.

Contrast that with marriage and family as we knew it, distinct institutions that existed prior to the formation of government, sacred in at least the sense that they are a natural and essential part of a healthy human society; and so vitally important to individuals that to operate without individual rights related to marriage and family is kind of an inhumane torture, if I might be redundant. Certainly complaints by fathers' rights advocates since the change was made verify that result in real life.


33 posted on 04/25/2008 5:54:08 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

“If you’re such an extreme left-wing feminist”

I am not going to read past here, no point. One need not be a feminist to disagree with the pap in this article.


34 posted on 04/25/2008 8:57:33 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow. - roamer_1)
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To: RogerFGay
Hi Roger. Just now saw this article by Carey. Good stuff. I'm so glad some attention is being focused on the 112 Billion Dollar study. I just wish more people took notice of it.

One thing irked me in this article....In one respect, though, the Institute for American Values report is flawed. To encourage persons to marry, IAV proposes “marriage-strengthening programs.” But touting the marriage education Band-aid is like saying we can fix a broken welfare system by teaching teenage moms to refrain from sex.

I get so tired of the Fathers Rights groups dissing marriage. Just because they tried and failed, should not give them the right to denounce these “marriage-strengthening programs.”

The only real effective way to reduce the numbers of fatherless homes is to build up marriages.

Two easy ways:
1. End no fault divorce.
2. Initiate tax breaks for traditional families who stay married.

35 posted on 04/25/2008 10:03:19 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I don't think fathers' rights advocates diss marriage in the way you suggest, and certainly not for the reason you suggest. Your comments suggest that fathers' rights advocates are merely bitter losers who are incapable of objective analysis. Certainly many of them have faced extreme emotional trials and respond as humans do, but the reason they are political involved is very reality based. They also have the backing of some of the best social scientists and now some of the most intelligent and outspoken social conservative leaders in the country.

By "dissing marriage" I take it you are actually referring to the advice that marriage today is far too risky. That is objectively true. A man facing the prospect must accept the statistical fact that divorce is all too common, and the most likely result of divorce is the ruin of his entire life. The idea that one can merely follow one's heart has been killed off by federal reform. The advice is extremely rational and objective.

An end to so-called "no fault" divorce is definitely not enough. Beyond no-fault, courts reclassified marriage and family as "social policy." As a legal matter, marriage and family as we knew it no longer exist. They are now merely arbitrarily defined elements of government programs. When people decide to get married these days, the government respects nothing of the institutions that existed before. Marriage is voluntarily entering into a government contract to be bound by the arbitrary rules of the program - not the contract indicated by the marriage vows that are part of the traditional institution.

The solution lies in a constitutional amendment, but not the one popularly pushed by political party operatives. Marriage and family issues must be returned to civil law, where the Bill of Rights applies and the established traditional institutions can once again be legally recognized and respected. The federal government must be forced out of the marriage and family business altogether. There lies the root and history of the corruption. They are involved because marriage and family were seen as extremely fruitful ground for pork barrel programs, with huge amounts of money leaking out wherever government officials want it to in "public-private partnerships." If you really want to understand government corruption and the destruction of marriage in America - just apply the established wisdom and "follow the money trail."
36 posted on 04/25/2008 2:07:00 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Grunthor

LOL! I love it when your kind crumbles into ad homs so quickly when your positions can’t be supported by reasonable argument.


37 posted on 04/25/2008 2:15:45 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Grunthor
My friend paid the money direct to his children once they got to about 14 and encouraged them to talk to their mother and him about what the money should be spent including how much to be given to their mother for things she bought for them.

There situation though I doubt would be hard to duplicate they even worked out a percentage per head for vet bills for the dog and the same for the electric bill etc. It was the days before CSA got involved and set the amount they sorted it out and before the money was paid to the children direct if his ex felt that an increase was needed she would contact him and explain what the reason was and work if to increase the money or who on that occasion should cover whatever the additional cost was.

38 posted on 04/26/2008 2:13:07 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: RogerFGay

“If you’re such an extreme left-wing feminist”

Speaking of “ad hominems.”


39 posted on 04/29/2008 4:28:21 PM PDT by Grunthor (Which is more transparent, John McCains Styrofoam humility or Barack Obamas polyester sincerity?)
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