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Border agents to use paintball guns to fend off attackers
azfamily.com ^ | April 24, 2008 | azfamily.com

Posted on 04/25/2008 1:26:21 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day

TUCSON - Some surprising news came from the United States Border Patrol.

The Patrol has purchased 1,000 guns that fire non-lethal paintball or pepper pellets. The goal of a target practice session was to hit the white rag at the end of a hall with paintballs. Border Patrol agents may soon use paintballs to defend themselves against smugglers along the border due to an increase in violence.

Surveillance video from an incident last year in El Paso shows a Border Patrol agent retreating after people pelt him with rocks. Some could argue the same about being hit by a paintball without protective gear, where a projectile from a paintball gun leaves a small welt on the flesh.

Small welt or not, human rights activists say it is a bad idea, even for a line of defense.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; aliens; banglist; borderinsecurity; gramsci; guns; immigration; paintball
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This is wrong on so many levels.

Here, ICE agents! Defend against automatic weapons fire with paint!

And of course, the whiny "human rights activists" have to cry that it's inhumane.

1 posted on 04/25/2008 1:26:23 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day
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To: Choose Ye This Day

How about pea-shooters, or maybe just rocks?

Yeah, that’ll work.


2 posted on 04/25/2008 1:28:14 PM PDT by toddlintown (Beer Is Good For You.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Hit a White rag?.......

3 posted on 04/25/2008 1:28:57 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

at what point do we grow some real balls and use real ammo to defend our people and land.......good grief.....why don’t we give them water guns or just point thier fingers and say bang bang i got you.....


4 posted on 04/25/2008 1:29:31 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: toddlintown; Choose Ye This Day

I could show ‘em how to make spitball shooters from Bic pens, and Bic pens are really cheap...


5 posted on 04/25/2008 1:29:57 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Choose Ye This Day

This is utter crap, the border jumpers are tje less desirables from Mexico that their government is forcing out,

criminals, gangmembers, pedophiles ect.

They are not stupid, they will realize that the borderagents have toy guns and no match for smuggled weapons.
Talk about stuck on stupid.


6 posted on 04/25/2008 1:30:13 PM PDT by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Oh great!....now we’ll have a bunch of painted illegals running around in circles. It should be permanent dye so we can find them and kick their asses out!


7 posted on 04/25/2008 1:30:43 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Larebil

No, hit Pots and Pans with Wooden Spoons and yell, “Shoo”.


8 posted on 04/25/2008 1:31:10 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

This is the dumbest idea I’ve heard all month.


9 posted on 04/25/2008 1:32:14 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Choose Ye This Day

By the way, how do paintball guns measure up to semi-automatic rifles?...Our government is full of PC idiots!


10 posted on 04/25/2008 1:33:41 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Choose Ye This Day; All

“This is wrong on so many levels.”

Exactly what I was thinking. We can no longer defend ourselves? Our LEO’s can NO LONGER defend themselves against foreign CRIMINAL invaders? People, this is way out of hand.

“Border Patrol agents may soon use paintballs to defend themselves against smugglers along the border due to an increase in violence.”

SHOOT THEM! With LEAD! This is insane.

BTW, Lars Larson has been talking about an illegal alien inmate in Oregon getting kidney dialysis from US. More info on that below. The irony is I understand the youngest son of Ramos, the border agent, is in the hospital with meningitis. Monica Ramos was first told they wouldn’t admit without insurance, then told she needed to make a $1000.00 deposit.

We’re living in an insane asylum!

Lars Larson audio: Aliens and Oregon health care
Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 Lars Audio
http://www.larslarson.com/ (Click on NW Reports)

The email I got on Ramos son:

Nacho’s son has been hospitalized. He was almost NOT admitted due to the fact that Monica, a hero and American citizen does not have health insurance!! (Many Americans today are not able to afford the benefit of health coverage!) Monica was furious and asked “How do you admit the illegals (without insurance or ID!!!)? The hospital then allowed their son to be admitted, but only with a $1000 deposit! (Without Nacho’s income, this family does NOT have money!!!)

Crime May Not Pay, But....

“........ ask this illegal incarcerated here in Oregon on sex crimes, who requires $25,000 a month in kidney dialysis. The state of Oregon has graciously stepped up to pick up the tab for this, (for the duration of his very long sentence), through our statewide insurance program. It’s Oregon’s own “No illegal alien left behind” program. What a country, it just gives you goosebumps when you pay your taxes! So, just regard the prison system as the final safety net and if the stuff really hits the fan we can always rob a candy store and check in for three squares and a cot, with free medical and dental care to boot!”

http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm


11 posted on 04/25/2008 1:35:28 PM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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Border Patrol agents may soon use paintballs to defend themselves against smugglers along the border due to an increase in violence.

They (illegal aliens, smugglers, etc.) are getting violent, so we'll nail 'em with paintballs? What friggin' idiot came up with this looney idea?

12 posted on 04/25/2008 1:37:25 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead, then kill 'em again!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Hate to be there when they figure this out, but pepper weapons typically do not work very well against cultural Hispanics. I know this from experience, not some racial stereotype. They eat spicy foods seasoned with the same agents we use to make these weapons and thus have a high tolerance for it.
13 posted on 04/25/2008 1:38:44 PM PDT by txroadkill (Liberals believe that the only oppressed people in Cuba are the terrorist in GitMo)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

“Oh great!....now we’ll have a bunch of painted illegals running around in circles. It should be permanent dye so we can find them and kick their asses out!”

Now, that would make sense! I’m sure the ACLU would scream ‘Paintball profiling!’ or some such BS.


14 posted on 04/25/2008 1:41:34 PM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Only the US government could come up with shit like this. They are bound and determined to get more of our border agents killed. Some of the folks at ICE, starting at the top, need to be fired.


15 posted on 04/25/2008 1:46:59 PM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: Choose Ye This Day

“Stop I say, or you’ll get hit with pepper and a smattering of garlic, onion, and tarragon...”


16 posted on 04/25/2008 1:54:15 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Americanexpat

And yet, it’s TOO violent for the “human rights activists”!!!

They’d probably object if our Border agents shot smugglers and illegals with Nerf projectiles.

The world has gone topsy turvy.


17 posted on 04/25/2008 1:54:59 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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To: Red Badger

I think that’s supposed to be a, “f” not an “r”


18 posted on 04/25/2008 1:55:50 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Why not M4/203s with the 203s loaded with less-than lethal? Those beanbag rounds pack a punch.


19 posted on 04/25/2008 1:58:00 PM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: Choose Ye This Day

What a great idea, next these morons could arm our soldiers in Iraq with potato guns and sling-shots so we won’t hurt IQ.


20 posted on 04/25/2008 1:58:58 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

¡Bueno! Me pegaste con pintura, y me duele mucho. Ahora voy a volver a Méjico. Te prometo, ¡nunca más cruzaré tu frontera! ¡Adiós!

21 posted on 04/25/2008 2:00:34 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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To: Froufrou
I could show ‘em how to make spitball shooters from Bic pens, and Bic pens are really cheap...

A straw, a straight pin, and a little scotch tape and I can make a wicked blow dart. It will strike fear into all those illegal border crossers, I'm sure.

22 posted on 04/25/2008 2:00:35 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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Border agents to use paintball guns to fend off attackers

Better than that would be 'pistols' whittled from pine. Each agent could whittle his or her own. Point the 'pistol' and shout "BANG."

23 posted on 04/25/2008 2:12:20 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Can anyone advise whether a paintball marker gun is a good way to deter deer? They make themselves at home in the yard, and destroy expensive landscaping.

While tasty, and easy to shoot, I don’t want to go to prison for poaching.

But I’d also like to know the most potent and powerful paint-ball gun there is, so I could send a real message through that deerskin armor they wear.

Would a rib shot be most effective? (I considered less-than lethal rubber shotgun slugs, but they are expensive, and the noise would alarm the neighbors.)


24 posted on 04/25/2008 2:15:08 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Guns don’t kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Who we really should shoot with real guns will be withheld.


25 posted on 04/25/2008 2:17:27 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I always rely on God and Guns in that order)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I know someone who'll be volunteering for the Border Patrol...


26 posted on 04/25/2008 2:19:10 PM PDT by Marko413
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Why not water pistols? Or maybe have the agents try to reason with the scum to please go back?


27 posted on 04/25/2008 2:19:32 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

We’d have been hell in shop class together, huh?


28 posted on 04/25/2008 2:20:56 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Marko413

I missed that episode. Lemme guess: Dwight goes absolutely paintball postal and wails on female co-workers and Michael.

Am I close?


29 posted on 04/25/2008 2:25:48 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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This is wrong on so many levels. Here, ICE agents! Defend against automatic weapons fire with paint!

And of course, the whiny "human rights activists" have to cry that it's inhumane.

Until the Secret Service begins guarding the POTUS, cabinet members and members of congress with paintball guns, this remains UNACCEPTABLE.

30 posted on 04/25/2008 2:30:07 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Ronald Reagan's single biggest mistake: Picking Poppy Bush to be his veep.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
If you illegally enter the USA and attack our law enforcement officers . . . you should be riddled with 5.56mm rounds from the M4's that should be assigned to each Border Patrol agent. Your corpse should then be delivered to the closest Mexican consulate.

How in hades do we put up with these attacks on our agents?

31 posted on 04/25/2008 2:37:37 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: Beelzebubba

I wouldn’t know about the deer. Not my city-dwelling expertise—although I get ‘em in my yard from time to time.

I’m sure some other FReepers know.


32 posted on 04/25/2008 2:40:45 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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To: E. Cartman

I like the idea! A 10 gauge shotgun. A paintball, followed by a hand full of buckshot should work well. You can get a lot of stuff into a 10 gauge shell.


33 posted on 04/25/2008 2:40:55 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Choose Ye This Day

What next? Squirt guns?


34 posted on 04/25/2008 2:41:55 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

I think it was when Dwight gave Michael the paintballs and 2 free lessons for a Christmas present. They added a clip of him shooting at a target and yelling out “take that Saddam!”


35 posted on 04/25/2008 2:49:24 PM PDT by Marko413
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To: AuntB

The paintball guns are a slight improvement over what we had as kids when we’d play army:

(pointing gun made out of fingers) “I shot you...you’re dead!”

“Did not”
“Did Too”
“Nah uh”
“Uh huh”
“Did So”
“No you didn’t, I shot you first”
“Did not”
“Did Too”
...etc....


36 posted on 04/25/2008 2:51:52 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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We were making light about arming our Border Patrol with "paint ball" guns way back when Ramos and Compeon were arrested. Now, it's a reality?!!!

Shooting drug dealers with paint balls is humiliating..

sw

37 posted on 04/25/2008 3:00:16 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Johnny Sutton will be all over the first BP agent that puts out an illegal’s eye with one of those things.


38 posted on 04/25/2008 3:06:43 PM PDT by TADSLOS ( McCain-Feingold: "Good for thee but not for me"- John McCain)
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Personally, I’d make them sit in the Comfy Chair.


39 posted on 04/25/2008 3:09:49 PM PDT by MistrX
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This sends the wrong message to our neighbors to the South! They may see this as not being welcomed. What a horrible show of violence!

"This is the US Border Patrol! Do not come any closer or you may receive a small welt! Or two!"

40 posted on 04/25/2008 3:10:22 PM PDT by Sender ("Why is it that I can't just eat my waffle?" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: paul51

Intersting thing happens to paint balls when you freeze them.....


41 posted on 04/25/2008 3:11:31 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: Choose Ye This Day

tsk tsk tsk...why carry even those heavy, nasty ol’ paintball guns? Just snap them on the @ss with a towel as they cross our border! /s


42 posted on 04/25/2008 3:18:23 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: tatsinfla
A 9mm in the hands of the BP agents will do more good. And the victims will never come back.
43 posted on 04/25/2008 3:22:50 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulf BeachClub)
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Oh how nice! a kinder gentler agent, I feel safe now, why not give them water pistols to also cool the illegals and drug runners down from the oppressive heat or better yet lets make them laugh, give the agents toy guns with flags that pop out when you fire them. Is this Pelosi’s idea?
44 posted on 04/25/2008 3:26:54 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with Ted)
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To: txroadkill
"Hate to be there when they figure this out, but pepper weapons typically do not work very well against cultural Hispanics."

While I'm not hispanic, I've always enjoyed extremely spicy foods. During OC certification, I won't say that I enjoyed being sprayed, but I seemed to fare much better than others. Likewise, I was the guy in the Army that did pretty well in the CS chamber. It would irritate my eyes a little, and after a while my sinuses and throat would lock up, but I could hang out for a while unmasked, and while others were stumbling over each other to get out, I could exit at a casual pace. I know they're entirely different chemicals and I'm not attributing my resistance to CS to my spicy diet...but in the case of OC pepper spray, I'm of the decided opinion that there is a relationship.

45 posted on 04/25/2008 3:37:37 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: CAluvdubya

Not a WET towel, you don’t mean!

There’s a global warming-caused WATER SHORTAGE going on now, don’t you know?


46 posted on 04/25/2008 3:47:54 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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To: Sterco

“Interesting thing happens to paint balls when you freeze them.....”

The pepper balls being talked about in this story are much, much harder than regular paintballs (at least the ones I’ve seen were that way). I think the idea may be to cause a good deal of pain and discomfort from the impact, to go along with the pepper. I’ve never been hit with one, but I have shot them and watched the impact on a cinder block fence. I think you could actually take someone down if you bounced a few off their noggin.


47 posted on 04/25/2008 4:04:15 PM PDT by NewMexLurker
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To: Beelzebubba

I wouldn’t use a paintball marker gun because #1 it is evidence that can be used against you. A neighbor could testify that the deer ran from your yard with paint splatters on them and that you are abusing them.

My suggestion would be to use a slingshot and marbles or a pump action pellet gun.


48 posted on 04/25/2008 4:05:42 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Oh, isn't that so gay! Let me quote Lou Reed:

Vicious
You hit me with a flower
You do it every hour
Ohh, baby youre so vicious

49 posted on 04/25/2008 4:07:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (You're gonna cry 96 tears!)
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Border Patrol agents may soon use paintballs to defend themselves against smugglers along the border due to an increase in violence.

Bush's border patrol in action

50 posted on 04/25/2008 4:10:15 PM PDT by dragnet2
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